Family Guy goes Disney

I’m still not a fan of Family Guy, but I have to admit this is a terrific sequence from last night’s 8th season premiere episode.

UPDATE: You should read the comments on this post for sequence production details from Family Guy director Greg Colton, and the lead animator of the piece, Darlie Brewster (posting with the handle DarlieB). Our thanks to both of them for participating in the comments.


  • http://www.sexymecha.com Hal

    There goes the animation budget for this season! All worth it though…

  • http://www.animationfestival.ca J. Zaroski

    Boo for U.S.-only videos!

  • Ariel

    Not a fan of Family guy? whaaaa?

    The animation isn’t revolutionary, but my word, the writing..

  • http://goldenagecartoons.com Matthew Hunter

    I have to admit, THAT’S FUNNY!

  • Doofus

    Not sure why, I went ahead and watched the episode.
    Although I agree the “Disney sequence” is great, good freakin’ GOD is this poison or what! I just loathe this type of low-brow humor. I mean just look at what messages that sends out! This show is responsible for lowering general IQ of the masses, I promise you.

  • http://chippyandloopus.com/ John S

    Okay, that was funny. I was actually sad that it stopped. I want to see more about the “Robot Chicken” Universe.

  • Kyle Maloney Rap

    A user fo the name jpanimation on UltimateDisney forums says “Supposedly this was animated by two veteran Feature Animators, Darlie Brewster and Sandro Cleuzo, right in LA and then sent off for cleanup, in-betweens and coloring in Korea. I can’t confirm this but here is their IMDB page and blogs:

    Darlie Brewster
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0108268/
    http://totald.blogspot.com/

    Sandro Cleuzo
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0166461/
    http://inspectorcleuzo.blogspot.com/

    Darlie particularly makes sense because she worked on Rover Dangerfield and both of them worked at the Don Bluth Studios of who’s styles you can pick up on in the segment.

    I’m going to try to confirm this but either way, I’m impressed with the final product.”

    I don’t know where he gets his info, but it seems like it could be true.

  • Magnusson

    I was really amazed by this, especially since we almost never see animation on ones on TV. Kudos on the results here!

  • http://joelbrinkerhoff.blogspot.com/ Joel Brinkerhoff

    I’ve heard Walt was antisemitic before but never found any evidence of it. For what it’s worth here is an interesting article:
    http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1623/was-walt-disney-a-fascist

  • Happily un-opinionated

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_vBSK7Czx0

    ^ there it is for everyone else

    Anyone know what studio animated this?

  • http://bakertoons.blogspot.com/ Charles Brubaker

    Oh yes, that episode was amazing, with the Disney sequence being the best part.

  • http://www.sibsy.blogspot.com/ Sabrina

    I’d actually watch this show if it looked like this all the time.

  • Rick Baumhauer

    Very nicely done – almost makes me wish I hadn’t given up on Seth McFarlane a couple years back.

    And the writing is entirely the problem – the crude, obvious jokes, the might-as-well-be-completely-random “remember that time” skits (I’m inclined to believe they *are* written by Manatees), and the frankly misogynistic (and often violent) treatment of most of the female characters. The “Stewie beats Brian to a bloody pulp” bit that was repurposed for the Emmys was embarrassing and horrifically unfunny.

  • http://blissfulignorance551.deviantart.com/ A.J.

    I hate family guy, but when i saw this, i got even more pissed, that bit of the humor at the end, THEY ARE RIDING A DEAD HORSE, (and it’s seems to be untrue) not to mention the great quality of aniMATION, SHOWS US THEY CAN DO BETTER, BUT THEY REFUSE >:(

  • http://gagaman.blogspot.com Gagaman

    And now you know why Family Guy normally looks like crap, because they blow all the animation budget on one sketch per season like this! Well worth it though, darn. I’m pleasantly surprised they didn’t use this sketch as an excuse to do the typical ‘look it’s Disney but with vomiting and blood!’ gag that so many have done before, too.

  • alberto

    it’s about time they up-ed the animation quality on that show, they should do it more often, i’ve never seen family guy animated in three dimensional space before.

  • http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=052C631F61EE2838 Iain

    Slightly better quality link > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3MjEliiS6A

    I was surprised by this scene. I haven’t watched it last night, but I have taken a look at it online.

  • Ryan

    Well that’s just amazing, thanks for the YouTube link.
    I love how they made Meg into Ursula and Chris into Winnie the Pooh. Ho ho!

  • Greg Colton

    Sweet – I knew if Cartoon Brew liked this sequence, I did my job right! For this sequence to work, it could NOT have looked like “TV studio trying to look like a feature” …it had to look real. We were fortunate enough to work with Andrew Egiziano at Mainstreet Productions, who put together an amazing group of talented animators and artists.

    Kyle – Darlie and Sandro did in fact animate this sequence, along with some excellent inbetweeners and cleanup artists. *round of applause*

    If I remember correctly, Darlie animated everything through the scene with Peter holding Stewie in the air…then another animator (man, I can’t remember his name…) did the Cleveland skunk and Adam West mouse scenes….Sandro did “The bees making honey” scene through the scene where they all scream “NO!” to Herbert (although Darlie animated Herbert at the end of the 3D camera move) ..and then Darlie did the rest after that!

    Sandro also did all the final character designs. I roughed out a lot of them myself, Mick Cassidy did Lois & Chris, Sharon Ross did Cleveland …but Sandro took our designs and really made them LEGIT!

    I can’t forget to mention Tony Pulham – he designed/painted all of the backgrounds and colored the characters.

    Everyone involved in this episode, especially the Disneyverse, went above and beyond…..thank you!

  • Marc Baker

    Not only was this the best ‘Road To (Insert name Here)’ episodes of the show, but the Disney segment was just amazing. I wonder if the animators who worked on that segment were fired due to Disney’s current ‘Hanna Montana’ agenda, or their misguided committee thinking that pencils, and paper are, to quote Jeffery Katzenberg, ‘a thing of the past’?

  • Mike Lucy

    This was really well executed. I found the joke about Robot chicken just making obscure pop-cultural references a little hypocritical. Afetr all, that is FG’s bread and butter.

  • Kyle Maloney Rap

    Thanks for that run down Greg.

    The question on my mind now though is would it be at all plausible to keep this kind of quality going for a full series? Was the budget on this sequence reasonable enough? Because if it is, why aren’t we seeing more of this type of thing on tv? Even if this would be too expensive, couldn’t this be scaled back a bit, using less inbetweens and still turn out fairly decent?

  • Jason

    Yeah, thanks, Greg. The sequence was great – until the moronic “Walt-was-a-Jew-hater” “gag” at the end killed it.

  • TheGunheart

    Damn it, I wish there could be at least ONE cartoon on a kids’ television block that could still look like that. But no, everything on TV has to look flat and lifeless.

  • ask

    It shouldn’t be a surprise by now, but Cartoon Brew is becoming a magnet for those people who actually worked on those featured in the blog… at least once each time!

    This sequence was excellent and will probably be the best of the season (I’m afraid). It also makes it all the more frustrating, as there are talented animators out there who still have it, but have no outlet to show for it.

    Oh and A. J., they can’t make it look like this all the time, because this sequence wasn’t animated by Seth’s studio at all. It was a one-time (I think) cameo.

  • Christopher Cook

    There can never be a cartoon on kids television that looked like that sequence because nobody has the budget to do it on a weekly basis.

    I digress…Lois never looked more attractive.

  • Tom D

    Lowbrow insult & hate humor.

  • Deaniac

    That part hands down is the best Family Guy moment ever-prove me wrong.

    It was funny enough that Stewie and Brian were travelling to alternate universes and one of them happened to be a Disney universe, but the fact that Seth went as far as to get animators to patent that charming, Disney style down was creative genius.

    And yeah, Lois was really hot.

  • http://www.spiteyourface.com Tony Mines

    Hard work in service of lazy, hollow ‘reference=joke’ conjured up in a moment by some animation-hating gag writer, then poured over for months by well meaning, superior animation artists.

    Congratulations, culture, you f*cked us again.

  • Greg Colton

    I think doing a 1/2 hour series that looks like real feature animation would be impossible. This 2 minute sequence almost took as much time as a whole episode on its own….and there were lots of hurdles to overcome.

    That’s not to say TV animation can’t be really great…look at Superjail! Sure it’s not a typical “feature” style..but it sure is awesome. Personally, I’m open to all sorts of styles, as long as they work in context of the show overall. I think that’s why FG works and people like it…it just “feels right” for what it is. I know FG is hated by most people in the animation community (at least the ones who post on this blog!) …but if you think about it, would FG “work” with a different animation style? I don’t think it would…I could go on and on about why I think Seth’s timing and acting theories work for this type of humor, but I don’t think I’m gonna convert anyone here. :)

  • Mike Russo

    *reads above comment*

    Boy, those kind of comments get tiring after the millionth time one hears them from people who think they’re so far above shows like Family Guy.

  • Connie Pinko

    That was awesome. I was tempted to just skip through the episode and watch the Disney part, but the whole damn episode was well written and funny. Kudos to everyone on FG on a terrific job.

  • Dock Miles

    The episodes dominated by Stewie and Brian are the only remotely interesting ones. And no question the Disney segment was conceived and executed with panache. However, not as inspired as the moment in the early “Simpson” where they showed what Bart and Lisa would look like if drawn “realistically.” Hypnotically creepy.

  • Mike Russo

    Obviously my comment wasn’t aimed at Greg. I want to personally thank him for working on what is probably my favorite Family Guy episode in a long while. Bravo.

  • http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/mjf7583 Michael F.

    Apparently the pre-cancellation staff did that Disney scene. Or the current staff thought of something funny for once.

  • David

    Nice animation (congrats to animators Darlie Brewster , Sandro Cleuzo and whoever else they had animating on it) , but I have to agree with Tony who said:

    “Hard work in the service of lazy, hollow ‘reference=joke’ conjured up in a moment by some animation-hating gag writer, then poured over for months by well meaning, superior animation artists.”

    and Jason who said:

    “The sequence was great – until the moronic “Walt-was-a-Jew-hater” “gag” at the end killed it.”

    What a stupid way to end it. And now we’ll have more moronic Family Guy fans running around who just “know” that Walt Disney hated Jews because they saw it on Family Guy. (but in Seth MacFarlane’s Family Guy universe is it really wrong to hate anyone ? The show seems to thrive on mean, hate-based humor. )

  • Jason

    **Boy, those kind of comments get tiring after the millionth time one hears them from people who think they’re so far above shows like Family Guy.**

    The show is sinking so low that description now applies to just about everybody.

  • Jason

    You know what it is…the animation in that one segment was so lush and beautiful that it awakened a latent hunger in a public deprived of that kind of visual splendor for too long.

    Instead of slamming Disney, McFarlane, quite unintentionally, might very well have actually championed it. Or to put it another way, he praised it with faint damns.

    Now *that’s* irony!

  • Joe Torcivia

    Incredibly funny, even topping last year’s “Road to Germany”!

    This will be the first one I play on the next DVD set! Then, I’ll play it AGAIN!

    The annual “Road to’s” are the highlight of every season!

    We don’t ALL hate FG here!

  • http://robcatview.blogspot.com robcat2075

    I watched a bit farther. The Washington Post Editorial Cartoon universe was the funniest to me. Although what Tom Toles is doing now in the WaPo is much better than what they were referencing in FG.

    I have feeling the jew gag at the end of the Disney segment probably got a collective “huh?” in most living rooms. I don’t think the notion is widespread enough outside showbiz circles to resonate.

    I suppose I should watch the first half.

  • chipper

    Cutest Stewie ever.

  • Obo

    We are never going to see a scene like that again in Family Guy because there won’t be a real demand for it from FG fans. They seriously believe the horrid animation is a “style” choice. Nice, but McFarlane will continue to be the worst adult animation on television.

  • Kirb

    Was a pretty wonderful sequence.

    “Hard work in service of lazy, hollow ‘reference=joke’ conjured up in a moment by some animation-hating gag writer, then poured over for months by well meaning, superior animation artists.

    Congratulations, culture, you f*cked us again.”

    Oh boo-hoo.

  • mickhyperion

    The jew-hater joke at the end really falls flat when you consider that the Walt Disney Company has been run by a good number of jews for most of the last 25 years (Eisner, Katzenberg, etc).

  • Sarah

    I think we get enough “I hate Family Guy Comments” but I think this was very pleasant surprise. I wonder how much it cost to animate one scene alone?

  • Matt Sullivan

    Gripe all you want but mmore people love Family Guy these days than your precious antiquated Disney cartoons.

  • OM

    …First, South Park, now Family Guy. How soon will it be before the Mouse House decides to launch a major defamation lawsuit in order to scare everyone from deriding, ridiculing and/or otherwise exposing Disney for the evil scumbags they are?

  • http://doubleben.blogspot.com Emmett Goodman

    That was beautiful, scary, disgusting, and agreeable all rolled into one. And I can’t call this a masterpiece.

  • Pedro Nakama

    I personally think Family Guy is worst show on TV. It’s just like Friends, it’s not funny.

  • Melissa P.

    I’d like to thank Seth McFarlane for including this lovely scene. Since Family Guy has such a large audience, it’s a nice way to remind people (and the younger viewers that watch this show) of the great, fluid 2D animation we once and still have.

    I’d also like to give a HUGE thank you to Greg Colton for all the info and to all the people at Mainstreet Productions who put their 110% in this short. You guys are amazing! Keep up the great work! I may have to visit you guys someday…

    p.s. Colton, your comment on Superjail made me smile :)

  • http://kazrocks.blogspot.com kazzer

    I adore how every family guy fan hints at the praises he *could* shower on seth mcfarlane, but stops short, for any one reason. “ohh, well I could go on about the excellent writing, but it speaks for itself, or the I could tell you about the excellent timing or satirical genius, but hey, you either love it or hate it.”

    I love how seth’s typecasting of meg, the only ‘not hot’ woman to appear in this short, is ignored as bias while walt’s ‘antisemitism’ is focused on. seth’s humor basically derives it’s impetus from bashing “politically correctness”, which implies that he’s fighting over-sensitive prudes with his own brash genius, which is terribly ironic, since, for such a ‘fierce intellect’ his work is terribly revealing of his own prudery.

    gay, minority and female characters written and abused by people who appear to have to no real compassion for them, and no idea what a real one is like, is hardly ‘sticking it to the man’, FG fans. although I’m sure it empowers you as powerful, independent white straight males. cry me a river.

  • http://totald.blogspot.com DarlieB

    Hi Folks,
    Of the 2 minutes I animated most everything but a handful scenes. The additional animator you were thinking of was Mark Koetsier who did the Adam West Mouse and the skunk Greg. Sandro did the scene with the bunny popping up , the step in through the door ,and most of the pie truck out though I reworked the last half of that scene and did the entire witch. We had two short scenes done by some animators in Brazil and that is it.

    Sandro designed all the characters but Lois. That design was straight from the Family Guy design team and remained pretty much exactly as it did from the beginning . Lois was kind of the center of what everything was based on.

    Thanks

  • http://totald.blogspot.com DarlieB

    Animation credits aside , it was produced through Mainstreet Pictures, Andrew and Aaron. Art director was Tony Pulham (terrific guy) . They came to me the year before and showed me the reel and I laughed so hard I told them I had to do it . It took months for Shannon (a miracle worker ) to be able to gather the budget and we started way later than anticipated so we were in a crush , as usual. Was fun, was painful , that’s animation.

  • Chris Sobieniak

    You can tell they had to make this season premiere all that special with the way they stuck in the Disney-verse bit.

    Watching more of it from Hulu (usually ignoring the 10 second ad bits like we need them at all), it’s interesting how there are those moments where I can laugh, but I don’t feel like it was worth it, and maybe that says something about the show as I have viewed it for some years now. Kazzer it the nail on the head with his/her thoughts on Seth’s humor and Pedro Nakama’s line hits home what some of us were thinking all along. It’s hard to forgive them at least once for this 2 minute piece they went out of their way to get made at all for the premiere, and it’s nice they didn’t scrimp at the last minute if it fell threw. Kinda like the designs on some of those guys there, and I’d love to see some DeviantArt users go and make up more multiverse renditions of what Family Guy might look like in other various forms.

    > And the writing is entirely the problem – the crude, obvious jokes, the might-as-well-be-completely-random “remember that time” skits (I’m inclined to believe they *are* written by Manatees), and the frankly misogynistic (and often violent) treatment of most of the female characters.

    That has been the reason why I was turned off from this show to start with. Those cutaway sequences got too numerous and often clouded whatever story they were trying to do in the show when I would like it to be a bit more limited. In this episode they got it down to three and that was fine, though I like to see it lower than that if they can keep this up.

    > What a stupid way to end it. And now we’ll have more moronic Family Guy fans running around who just “know” that Walt Disney hated Jews because they saw it on Family Guy.

    The way the internet works, this is the sort of thing that will fester on into the next decade! And yes, the hate-based humor is not something I want to have at all either. It’s not funny, there I said it! Too many young’uns are already coming into the world with these ideas in their head like there’s no reason to make a rational decision unless it’s fed to you.

  • http://weirdurl.com Zekey

    wow!
    It really IS a wonderful day for pie!

  • http://johnsforbiddenplanet.blogspot.com/ John Field

    The only thing that would have made the transition to Disney-esque more “slap in your face”, would have been to letterbox the picture and have Brian and Stewie comment on it.
    Ah, to write for Family Guy.

  • http://www.motionart.org Pell Osborn

    Wonderful to see such hard work come together! Very amusing, very edgy, greatly appreciated!

  • Don Peri

    I enjoyed this segment until the anti-semitic “joke” which just perpetuates a falsehood about Walt and the studio.

  • Daniel J. Drazen

    It was scary how much Herbert Herbert looks like the witch in Snow White (I use his name twice in honor of Humbert Humbert in “Lolita”). A pretty amazing sequence despite the show as a whole.

  • Elizabeth Rutherford

    I am really proud of my sister, Darlie B., for all of the hard work and dedication she demonstrated in creating the Disney sequence. I know that she attempted to create a true vision of the Disney style that she was part of animating with the organization years ago, warts and all, which resulted in an extraordinary sequence. She has always been a champion of the 2D art form, and continues to beautifully demonstrate that it is definitely not dead.

  • TheGunheart

    “I think doing a 1/2 hour series that looks like real feature animation would be impossible. This 2 minute sequence almost took as much time as a whole episode on its own….and there were lots of hurdles to overcome.”

    Hey, Disney was pulling them off pretty well in the very late 80s/very early 90s. Sure, not the level of an actual film, but better than the neo-Rocky & Bullwinkle stuff that dominates the airwaves these days.

  • Greg Colton

    Hey Darlie, thanks for joining the conversation here! Just have to say it again – Darlie just went so above and beyond on this project. So many great little things she added. Normally our storyboards are very posed out…but I kept the boards for this sequence pretty loose, as I wanted the animators to do what they do! Some of my favorite “Darlie moments” – Brian’s expressions/flinching to Mort’s offscreen beating …the expressions when the family goes “evil” (especially Chris, Meg, and Lois…that Lois drawing…awesome) …when Lois walks up to Brian w/ the pie and she’s just all super cute (my boards just had a pretty generic happy expression for her) …I love the way Joe looks when he turns/jumps for his reveal …I could go on and on…

    Chris – This wasn’t intended to be the season premiere at first…this is actually the 6th episode of the 7th production season. Fox just really liked it, so it was moved forward for air.

    John – I wanted SO BADLY for this whole episode to be widescreen…or, at the very least, the Disney bit. Dark Knight changes aspect ratios, why can’t we!? ;) Hell, I’ve been pushing for 16:9 since Road to Germany. Oh well….we’re finally 16:9 now, starting w/ the Jedi special and then into production season 8. I’m working on “Road to the North Pole” right now…16:9, hour long Christmas special!

  • http://bwhitecartoons.blogspot.com Bill

    Great sequence. Great episode. Congrats to everybody who worked on it.

    By the way Greg, the REAL compliment would have been if CB readers HATED it!

  • http://juanmanimation.blogspot.com juanma

    HI PEOPLE GREETINGS FROM THE THIRD WORLD
    (ACCORDING TO HULU)

    I RECENTLY DOWNLOADED THE EPISODE AND IT WAS QUITE GOOD.

    HERE’ S A BETTER QUALITY LINK FOR THOSE OF US WHO CANT WATCH IT ON HULU:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x17lguttI7U&feature=related

    I TOO HATED THE “DISNEY HATES JEWS” GAG AT THE END.

    AND I ASK ,ISNT ERIC GOLDBERG JEWISH?

  • tb4000

    I can’t get over how likeable Stewie looks animated in the Disney fashion. There were scenes where he had this extremely innocent look on his face, and just envisioning him animated like that doing the shit he does on the show, man…..mind screw.

  • DarylT

    Ok, now their flogging a dead horse. They’ve did that Disney/Jew joke three or four times now and I for one am sick of it. It’s not true and, since family guy has a big audience,people will think it is. It’s not about just taken a joke, it’s degrading Walt’s character. I so want to yell at Seth Macflarene right now.

  • Dutchie

    Hello Greg,

    you mention you draw the characters in the board with a generic happy expression, like all the Family Guy characters generally are drawn. But if you love the expressions in the Disney part, I imagine you would love to draw that stuff too. Why don’t you animators on the show do that? Would you really consider that ‘breaking style’?

  • Mike Russo

    “Ok, now their flogging a dead horse. They’ve did that Disney/Jew joke three or four times now and I for one am sick of it. It’s not true and, since family guy has a big audience,people will think it is. It’s not about just taken a joke, it’s degrading Walt’s character. I so want to yell at Seth Macflarene right now.”

    Then go yell at the old Simpsons staff for doing the “Nazi Supermen are Our Superiors” Disney gag way back in season 6. And then go yell at whoever did the anit-semitic Walt joke in a cartoon on SNL (or was it MAD TV?) a few years ago. It’s not like Family Guy was the first to do a joke like this. It just happens to get singled out because, well…it’s Family Guy.

    And if people are going to think something is true just because they see it on some outrageous adult cartoon well then…that’s pretty sad. I think people are way too uptight about this. Again, the anger seems to be directed at the fact that it’s Family Guy making the joke. I’m almost certain any other show (say, South Park, which uses anti-Jew humor in almost ever episode) could make the exact same joke and not one person would complain. But it’s Family Guy, and of course everyone is always ready to tear Family Guy a new one.

  • David

    Again, the sequence looked great , but I’m one of those who were turned off by the ridiculous “Disney hates Jews” gag (and MacFarlane’s not stupid … he knows that isn’t true, which makes it even worse because he knowingly went for a cheap laff based on it) , but what’s really interesting to me is that everyone is talking about how fresh and expressive the FG characters looked in the Disney universe sequence. It may have been intended as parody of Disney, but the better animation craftsmanship in that sequence really showed up how flat and expressionless the usual FG animation is.

  • http://mayberabies.blogspot.com Raven M.

    I’m very open about my hatred for Family Guy… and I was heckling the first half of this episode all the way through UNTIL this sequence. I have to admit, it was amazing. It narrowly made up for the horrifically unfunny fecal humor taking place only moments before.

    -RM

  • Karma

    Garbage.

    Yes, I know. It’s a one word statement. But it sums this situation up perfectly.

    Seriously… can this blog just go without every giving any mention to Family Guy ever again? Please?

    The only way this is even moderately interesting is because some animators successfully ganked the style of another major studio. Oh, impressive.

    For all of a few minutes. But even then, it’s not funny, it’s in absolutely poor taste, a stupid joke, and well… it’s Family Guy. Everything it touches turns into crap just based on that fact alone.

    It’s not even worth making a post about. I mean, it’s Family Guy. Therefore it should suffocated with a plastic bag, beat to death, and then thrown in the bottom of the ocean along with other unholy abominations and lowest common denominator garbage and fecal waste of the animation industry.

    But yes. Whoopdedoo. Family Guy did Disney for about 3 minutes. And that 3 minutes is notable enough to warrent this crap, with such an awful, unfunny, tortuously godawful co-called “joke” tossed in at the end for good measure?? Really??

    I say no. Burn this to death, and toss it away forever.

    Seth McFarland is made of failure, Family Guy ranks as less than nothing, and this clip was a huge waste of everyone’s time. There is nothing funny or interesting, or noteworthy here. Move along.

  • Danimator

    They’re still flogging the “Walt the Anti-Semite” fallacy? I guess that explains his work with the Sherman brothers. *rolleyes*

    And yeah, the Robot Chicken gag made me laugh – only because it was so hysterically hypocritical. Pot, meet kettle.

    Anyway, beautiful work on the animation.

  • Mike Russo

    I don’t know who are worse: people who enjoy Family Guy and incessantly defend it because they actually enjoy a cheap laugh, or the people who hate it yet seem to watch it anyway week after week just so they can attack it, wishing it death and spewing bile whenever the show gets mentioned. Nice and productive, that. Wouldn’t it be better to, I don’t know, ignore it if you don’t like it?

    To the obnoxious Family Guy haters I say this: tell me something you really, really enjoy and the next time it’s mentioned here I’ll be sure to verbally crap all over it too.

    As a fan of the show, the pathetic knee-jerk “Family Guy is a blight on modern society” reaction the show gets at the mere mention if it’s name hurts in a small way. It’s not fun to enjoy something, and then go to a site like this (one I definitely respect) and see people attacking it with every fiber of their being over and over and over and over and over and over again, damning every single thing about it, like it’s a sin the show even exists.

  • Lucky Jim

    I’ve always been of the opinion that when someone becomes as revered and respected as Walt Disney, it’s pretty much a necessity to take potshots at them. Our institutions must be questioned at all times.

    I’m sure Walt will survive “Family Guy” with his legacy intact.

    Beyond that, the sequence was terrific, and it’s really great to hear from Greg and Darlie. If you have any more fun behind-the-scenes stories, we’d be delighted to hear them.

  • Ken Layton

    Loved this episode. Family Guy is the best animated show on tv!

  • stavner

    Mark Baker: You know, the best thing someone could do is create a computer program that can simulate hand-drawn animation, but cost less than the real thing.

  • Greg Colton

    Dutchie – I was specifically talking about the scene where Lois walks forward w/ the pie, and how I loved what Darlie added to her character while animating the scene. Normally our storyboards are very very specific…sometimes even “animated on the board” if need be …however w/ this sequence, I wanted to treat it as much like a real feature as possible – that is, keep the boards loose & let the animator use it as a springboard.

    As for changing the style of the show to be more “animated” …again, I ask – what would be the purpose? I love drawing cartoony and in different styles – but I understand the importance of context. Family Guy looks and animates a certain way…and it works. Pure animation fans may not like it….but, how would Family Guy “feel” if it was constant wild takes, antics, over-reactions, squash and stretch, etc.? It just wouldn’t make sense. That being said, the way we animate the show is very deliberate…there’s a reason for every frame to be the way it is, and subtleties that really make things play right. For instance, the scene where the pig punches Brian in the face. Yeah – there isn’t a big wind-up antic & Brian’s face doesn’t smash in …maybe another cartoon would do that…and that’s fine…but that woudln’t work w/ FG’s sensibility. I’ve worked on a lot of different shows…and I always try to draw what works best for THAT show (while still bringing my sensibility to it & making a show I’D want to watch).

    Anyway – again, I don’t think I’m going to convert anyone who hates the show….and if you hate the show, that’s fine. I hate some shows too! Horray! It’s just weird to me that some people act like FG’s existence and popularity negates every other form and style of animation. Cartoony cartoons still exist! Go watch “Cloudy w/ a Chance of Meatballs” …it’s AWESOME! You can borrow my Popeye DVD’s if you’d like! …and – you’re free to draw however you’d like, and create shows with whatever design and animation style you’d like! :)

  • David

    stavner sez:
    “Mark Baker: You know, the best thing someone could do is create a computer program that can simulate hand-drawn animation, but cost less than the real thing.”

    Oh, I’m sure some sweaty-browed, beady-eyed, bright young fella is working on that , too.

    Just think, people like Darlie Brewster and Sandro Cleuzo can have even less work in the future ! Put those old animators in a rest home (oh, wait the Old Animators Home was shut down … never mind.)

  • http://www.thepeternetwork.com/forum ThePeterNetwork

    Usually, I make a game out of Family Guy to see how long I can go through an entire episode without switching the channel or clicking off Hulu. This wasn’t the case.

    As for the “Disney hates Jews” undertones, that’s ridiculous. We never had any true evidence that Walt was antisemitic. In fact, he seemed to be more agnostic. I mean, have you ever seen any character in his world in religious practice (no offense)?

    Now, if you want to mock the way Disney conducts its business by literally siphoning money out of poor vacationers’ wallets and into their greedy little white gloves, that’s another story that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

  • http://inspectorcleuzo.blogspot.com Sandro Cleuzo

    ‘Just think, people like Darlie Brewster and Sandro Cleuzo can have even less work in the future ! Put those old animators in a rest home (oh, wait the Old Animators Home was shut down … never mind.)’

    Hey David,

    I am not THAT old, I am just 39. Maybe I can still learn 3D!

  • http://elblogderg.blogspot.com Roberto

    I think Brian is the only likeable character in Family Guy but if he always looked like this Stewie would be charming too. Peter looks pretty good too. Even Quagmire is cute and he has to be one of ugliest designs ever drawn.

    The rest of the episode had some good moments but it was mostly crappy.

    I also believe there can be different styles of animation but Family Guy doesn’t “work the way it is”, even if the writing was fantastic it would still have the most boring animation in television history.

  • RDee

    Family guy has always been hit or miss, but when it’s funny it’s really funny.

    Family guy isn’t the only source of Walt= Nazi jokes. I’ve always heard urban legends that Disney hired Nazi scientists to design and build Tomorrowland. Just like the legend his body’s been cryogenically frozen.

    And what about the Evil gene? Hitler had it, Disney had it…

  • Dock Miles

    Actually, I thought the outrageous/lame proportion of the Jew joke would be improved if the character was presented as a filthy, slobbering, money-clutching, hook-nosed monster in the manner of ’30s propaganda. Gonna do an ugly joke — make it ugly!

  • Dock Miles

    >I’ve always heard urban legends that Disney hired Nazi scientists to design and build Tomorrowland.

    Well, you gotta change some aspects of that, but the last time I checked, Wernher von Braun WAS considered a Nazi scientist …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

    Walt=totalitarian (Nazi or otherwise) is quite different than Walt=anti-Semite. Please keep this straight.

  • http://2Ntown Brendan Spillane

    For funnier & more pointed Disney satire, check out the following:
    MAD MAGAZINE #15- Harvey Kurtzman & Bill Elder’s “Mickey Rodent”
    SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE: “Journey to the Disney Vault” TV Funhouse
    The movie ENCHANTED- more of an affection spoof, really, that was
    actually MADE for the Walt Disney Company!

  • Dock Miles of Pretension

    >would still have the most boring animation in television history

    Worse than Clutch Cargo???

  • vzk

    You guys complain about Disney being shown as anti-Semitic? This is Family Guy, the same show that had Albert Einstein as a plagiarist and Charles Lindbergh causing the death of his son (and supposedly Amelia Earhart’s as well).

  • http://www.cannedgeek.com/ Kyle

    Where exactly did the Disney hates Jews idea first originate. From my research it seems to be a rumour, perhaps stemming from misinterpretations of seeing clips of anti-Nazi cartoons like Children’s Education For Death or Der Fuehrer’s Face. I’ve been unable to find any Disney cartoons depicting Jewish people and I’ve only found a brief reference to Disney’s brief attempt to appeal to a German audience with Jewish characters being the butt of jokes – but again I’ve been unable to find these films. Can anyone enlighten me?

    As for this video, I could deconstruct it quite a bit, but all I want to say is that Peter’s Disney design is really appealing. They’ve given him mass and life, but still kept something grotesque about his character. The red nose is a great touch.

  • YK2

    I personally thought the animation was wonderful, but I felt the Joke at the end could have been soooo much funnier. As a person who dreams of writing films (specifically for Disney), I always look at Family Guy and say “I can think of so many ways that joke could have been funnier that just adding blood and guts to the mix”

    They could have made fun of the fact that Disney shut down its 2D animation department so those years.

    They could have made fun of the DVDquels back in the 90s, and Disney exploiting their characters in every single way.

    There were others I thought of, but unfortuneatly, none of these ideas would appeal to the Family Guy audience. Would they be 10 times funnier than the joke that was included? They could be.

    I felt the same way last season for the joke about Stewie banning Disney sequels. Instead of making fun of the fact that some of these films screw with the charm and even continuity of the originals, (which could have easily been done in the FG style), They chose to do the pointless “Aladdin 4: JAfar Might need Glasses”

    (For the record, I am a Seth Macfarlane haters. I hope The Cleveland Show burns in hell.)

  • YK2

    (And also for the record, My favorite cartoon on TV at the moment is Disney’s Phineas and Ferb. The show has, IMO, the complete package. Great Continuity, Hilarious Scripts, Fantastic Characterization, and Wonderful Music. I’ve seen episodes that I would call close to Animation Perfection)

  • http://totald.blogspot.com DarlieB

    Oh I’m 52 and I’ve been in an old animators home, you’d hate it Sandro. =) I’m not going to defend Family Guy , except well , I am . It’s humor, a play on a rumor based on Disney’s pre war admiration for Hitler as a leader. And Disney was not alone in that admiration, before the war Hitler was admired by many leaders for resurrecting a destroyed country. I’m totally with vzk , this is Family Guy and while it may occasionally shockingly reflect our reality it never was intended to be reality.

    My favorite part of the show was actually the universe where religion never took hold and we were advanced by a 1000 years. Say what you want but, that was brilliant .

  • http://checkeredgeekcartoons.blogspot.com Zach Cole

    Family Guy occasionally does a good animation sequence or two, if it supports the joke. Their “Take On Me” parody was pretty good, for example. Spot on, I might say:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3yIq4qD31E

    I think the whole Jews thing would be funnier if people didn’t take Disney rumors as gospel. People love to believe that Disney hated Jews or that Mister Rogers was a sniper or that the Easter Bunny used to be part of the KKK. It’s a symbol of wholesomeness gone awry in the eyes of history. Sure, Seth MacFarlane is just trying to be funny, and that’s fine if you don’t take it seriously, but many people don’t know that, because, like I said, people love to believe rumors, like Paul McCartney being dead.

    But that’s no one’s fault except the people who think it.

    I’m just glad Family Guy is using its budget well, occasionally.

  • Jason

    **rumor based on Disney’s pre war admiration for Hitler as a leader. And Disney was not alone in that admiration, before the war Hitler was admired by many leaders for resurrecting a destroyed country.**

    And that rumor is just as baseless as the anti-Semite one.

  • http://jackmunchproductions.blogspot.com/ Malcolm Thomas

    Wait, Wait, hold on a second. I still can’t comprehend this. A Family Guy episode with….EFFORT?!

  • http://totald.blogspot.com DarlieB

    Our president was born in America, the fact many people still believe otherwise should scare you more than a comedy shows play on historical error.

  • T

    What Karma said…

  • vzk

    (And also for the record, My favorite cartoon on TV at the moment is Disney’s Phineas and Ferb. The show has, IMO, the complete package. Great Continuity, Hilarious Scripts, Fantastic Characterization, and Wonderful Music. I’ve seen episodes that I would call close to Animation Perfection)

    Funny you mention that, since the creators and staff of that show also work on Family Guy.

  • Chris Sobieniak

    We live in such a fragmented world DarlieB, really.

  • doug holverson

    Don’t the YouTube clips above say a lot about the smarts of Family Guy fans? They can’t figure out how to do a real video capture, so they point a webcam at the TV and call it good.

    The writers’ bottomless meanness towards Meg is more than old.

    BTW, this clip makes me think about commentary from a while back about how Jew and Nerd stereotypes are actually close together.

    MacFarlane reminds me of little of Berk Breathed, another overrated epigone who pats himself the back for being Politically Incorrect yet never steps out of the vague Radical Chic consensus shared with his audience.

    @Chris Sobieniak: For Deviant Artists doing multiverse versions, I while back I attempted to do Al Capp styled versions of The Simpsons and Futurama. I was looking for third thing to fulfill the Rule of Three and make these feel like a set, so I almost tried rendering The Family Guy. But I realized I really didn’t like that overrated show and instead I draw up Dave the Barbarian. All three are at DA and I think I was only 2/3-3/4 successful at capturing that style.

  • Robert J

    Greg – I couldn’t agree with you more.

    As awesome as the “Disney Sequence” was it would not work as the animation style of FG.

    The style you use choose adds its own brilliant panache to writing that, animated any other way, might come across as too brutal or un-digestible to the masses. After all, commercial animation is still a business and a business must make money to continue.

    We all know that when it comes to the overall look of broadcast animation, time constraint and budget play a major factor into the final product. Those factors aside, would shows like The Simpsons or South Park have had the longevity and same cult followings if they were animated in a different style? Even if they were animated in the 24fps Disney style?

    What I find most interesting is that those who want to trash the ‘look’ of FG are the same people who are still die hard Flintstone and Scooby-Doo fans. As anyone who grew up in the ’70s or ‘80s knows HannaBarbera were the kings of ‘Limited Animation’. What is so different now?

    I don’t think animators (or anyone in the animation industry for that matter) are given the credit they deserve. Hopefully this is a start. Keep up the good work guys.

  • Gio Renna

    I don’t know what (most of) you guys are talking about! Family guy is a great show, and that greatness lies perhaps in the fact it chooses to approach animation in a way that most animators abhor: non-sensical story, extreme lack of continuity, lack of ‘developed’ animation and (what most people here consider to be) a script to get cheap laugh out of their audience. These are the same reasons why some people hate and love this show. If you don’t laugh at the gags because you either find them stupid or juvenile, fine. Who am I to judge? But I love to laugh, and whether it’s a cheap laugh or a highly elaborate one, it’s still laughing and it still feels good.

    When i first saw the Disney gag I laughed ridiculously hard (and still do). Silly thing is, I wasn’t laughing because of any preconceived notion that Disney was a jew hater, rather because all the Disney films try to be politically correct to the extent that there is usually no mention of religious affairs of any sort; so that if a highly religious character were to be introduced in a Disney film, it would be considered as blasphemy regardless of the character’s religion. I realize that’s not the gag and I realize that The Hunchback of Notre Dame completely negates the reason for which I was laughing, but in my mind it still makes sense and it’s still funny.

    And of course the animation was superb. Does that make the gag better? Hell yeah, it does!

  • Jimbo2K7

    Then they later follow with a reenactment of the JFK assasination – Mayor McCheese as JFK of course – he gets his head blown apart and Jackie / Marion crawls out onto the trunk of the limo to retrieve the pieces of McCheese’s head – so she could stuff them in her mouth.

    Yep. Classic comedy, that Family Guy…

  • http://drgrantz.deviantart.com/ revned

    Darlie Brewster did a phenomenal job, and it’s truly amazing that I can tell her that here. Viva Cartoon Brew!

    As for the episode, I laughed once. And I can’t recall what was funny.

    PS-Even when drawn as a busty sex object, Meg Griffin is still defined as ‘ugly’ for a laugh. Seth McFarlane really needs to deal with his misogyny issues.

  • Chris Sobieniak

    I know how you feel Doug about these YT cappers who don’t really know how to do it outside their webcams or other instruments pointed at the set like everything is copy-guarded and that was the only way to do it (my mom once did that over 20 years ago). People just haven’t yet grasp the use of DVD recorders or even TV cards for their PC’s to do it right.

  • Mike Russo

    “Then they later follow with a reenactment of the JFK assasination – Mayor McCheese as JFK of course – he gets his head blown apart and Jackie / Marion crawls out onto the trunk of the limo to retrieve the pieces of McCheese’s head – so she could stuff them in her mouth.

    Yep. Classic comedy, that Family Guy…”

    I actually thought that was one of the funniest jokes in the entire episode. It’s not very funny at first, but adding the little bit where Jackie O climbs over and starts eating Mayor McCheese’s “brains” made the entire thing work.

    And as far as doug’s comment is concerned…it’s one thing to attack the show (as obnoxious and incessant as the attacks usually are) but what is accomplished by attacking the intelligence of the show’s fans? I LOVE Family Guy, but even I know it’s still cheap, lowbrow comedy. Doesn’t stop me from enjoying every second of it.

  • Wendy

    If you check out part 2 of the Walt Disney-”Secret Lives” documentary around 6:01 Bill Melendez [no less] makes a very specific reference to Walt’s views on women, Jews and African Americans. Don’t know if this resolves the entire issue but it serves to indicate that very creative people can be a little “crazy” too.

  • David

    “What I find most interesting is that those who want to trash the ‘look’ of FG are the same people who are still die hard Flintstone and Scooby-Doo fans.”

    Um … NO.

    Hanna Barbera = crap.

    Family Guy = crappier.

  • Jason

    DarlieB said, rather unnecessarily:
    **Our president was born in America, the fact many people still believe otherwise should scare you more than a comedy shows play on historical error.**

    And that is relevant how? Yeesh. Way to inject a goofball political note into this discussion, Ms. D.

  • doug holverson

    Well, it was the show’s fans posting those awful I-can’t-quite-figure-out-video-captures videos. Like Breathed’s stuff, it’s derivative stuff that’s overrated because it panders to its dormie and fanboy audience.

    Plus, since I’m a stereotypical sour-ball Futurama fan, it’s my sworn duty to be hatin’ on the Family Guy. To me, Family Guy is the Shallow Popular of the shows. Everybody likes him because everybody likes him. He’s brown-nosed so the teachers (suits) favor him and overlook a lot of boarder-line grammar and prose judgement calls and round his grades up to the Honor Roll. Futurama is more like a AV or Science Geek that’s not so popular. The teachers (suits) hate that he’s smarter than he has a right to be, and nail him on those borderline judgement calls and round his grade down a letter or two. So you have a Fox suits’ pet flop that gets uncancelled over and over until it finally hits. And you have a potential cult hit teachers’ unfavorite that gets preempted over and over until even the hardcore fans give up hope. I sympathize against McFarlane and towards Groening over this, even despite/because having a “cyclops babe” that predates his by 20 years.

  • Jimbo2K7

    “It’s not very funny at first, but adding the little bit where Jackie O climbs over and starts eating Mayor McCheese’s “brains” made the entire thing work.”

    [a period of stunned silence]

    Having seen the latest restoration of the Zapruder films that clearly depict a frantic Jackie Kennedy retrieving pieces of her husbands head from the rear deck of the accelerating limo, I just have to stop and wonder what kind of individual finds humor in this.

  • http://www.animationfestival.ca J. Zaroski

    doug holverson said: “… those awful I-can’t-quite-figure-out-video-captures videos”

    I don’t think that’s a good enough reason to declare Family Guy fans as dumb… It’s telling that you’d choose that statement, over, say:

    “… those inexpensive I-don’t-have-the-financial-means-to-obtain-video-capture-equipment,-only-this-handy-video-camera videos”

    OR

    “… those simple I-don’t-have-the-time-to-waste-on-better-image-quality-when-I-just-want-to-show-this-joke-to-my-friends videos.”

  • http://totald.blogspot.com DarlieB

    “And that is relevant how? Yeesh. Way to inject a goofball political note into this discussion, Ms. D.”-Jason

    Goofball ? Well Jason Family Guy is a comedy show , made to shock and entertain you . It doesn’t exist . Stew and Brian are not real , Mort wasn’t bludgeoned because he does not exist . Regardless , some of you give it the same importance that you would a news program. Do I find ripping a joke on the mythology of Walt Disney’s many human prejudices offensive ? No .

    What I find offensive is true human ignorance. The fact 39% of us can’t find our own country on a map. The fact 30% of us still think Saddam caused 911. How churches rail about fetuses and let 13 million American children go to bed hungry and live in poverty. Jesus Camp. The real world Jason, that is where I find offense , just like in my Obama mention. There are forces at work to derail democracy and I think that is more pressing . Jon Stewart on Crossfire was quick to remind them that if people come to a comedy show for truth we are in real trouble.

  • Mike Russo

    “Having seen the latest restoration of the Zapruder films that clearly depict a frantic Jackie Kennedy retrieving pieces of her husbands head from the rear deck of the accelerating limo, I just have to stop and wonder what kind of individual finds humor in this.”

    Oh, THAT is what that part of the cutaway was referencing? I found this scene funny before, but knowing this…well…I still find it funny. It’s shock humor and that’s just Family Guys thing. It’s amazing that no one ever gets pissed at anything South Park ever does. Heaven forbid FG does anything shocking.

    And a quick glance at Youtube would show that lots of users make videos by holding cameras up to their TVs. How does something like this illustrate the apparent lack of intelligence on the part of Family Guy fans?

    The haters try too damn hard, I swear.

  • Jeff

    I like Family Guy and also own some of the animated Walt Disney Treasures DVD sets. I guess I’m not supposed to exist.

    “Plus, since I’m a stereotypical sour-ball Futurama fan, it’s my sworn duty to be hatin’ on the Family Guy.”

    I’m not sure what being a Futurama fan has to do with hating Family Guy. (It’s not as if FG caused Futurama to get cancelled.) What about the Futurama movie that Seth MacFarlane participated in? Can you not watch that either?

    The notion that people will think Walt Disney was anti-semitic just because they saw it on Family Guy is asinine.

  • http://ryanloweanimation.blogspot.com Ryan L.

    I just wanted to take a moment to show my extreme appreciation, and admiration to Darlie, and her team for the Disney-esque sequence. I just graduated with an animation degree and am heading into the Animation Mentor course here after the holidays. I’ve been searching for work and in this economy it’s proving massively difficult. Seeing something so beautiful and stylistic of the old wise men of Disney last Sunday really uplifted my spirits. I found the animation beautiful and very on-model of the best animators of our time. Lois in particular was spot on with her takes, and holds. They were gorgeous. It was so refreshing seeing a style that audiences haven’t witnessed in prime time in probably ten years or so. It makes me look that much more forward to the future and where traditional 2D animation will go. Not sure if your aware Darlie but Disney was looking for a character animator for Elf King I believe last time I checked when I applied for an intern position. I think you would be the perfect fit, your amazingly talented! Well to close this out heres hoping that The Princess and the Frog packs theaters this holiday season.
    -Ryan L.

  • Dock Miles

    >the little bit where Jackie O climbs over and starts eating Mayor McCheese’s “brains”

    See, I had a problem with that because it was arbitrary with Jackie’s character — if JFK had been married to Sally Struthers, that would be different. Now, if she’d hopped back and had sex with the remains, that would be on the corrosive side. But that would have done in the hamburger part. Hmmm. Getting jokes right is hard work. That’s my main problem with “Family Guy” — it’s not the end of humanity, but it’s lazy and hacked out.

  • Jason

    **Goofball ? Well Jason Family Guy is a comedy show , made to shock and entertain you . It doesn’t exist . Stew and Brian are not real , Mort wasn’t bludgeoned because he does not exist . Regardless , some of you give it the same importance that you would a news program. Do I find ripping a joke on the mythology of Walt Disney’s many human prejudices offensive ? No .

    What I find offensive is true human ignorance. The fact 39% of us can’t find our own country on a map. The fact 30% of us still think Saddam caused 911. How churches rail about fetuses and let 13 million American children go to bed hungry and live in poverty. Jesus Camp. The real world Jason, that is where I find offense , just like in my Obama mention. There are forces at work to derail democracy and I think that is more pressing . Jon Stewart on Crossfire was quick to remind them that if people come to a comedy show for truth we are in real trouble.**

    So your solution to hungry children is to kill them in the womb? Think of it – no more hungry children because we’ll kill them before they develop an appetite! Nice.

    And there’s something wrong with Jesus camp? Tell me, do you also despise Jewish/Islamic/Pagan get-togethers? Are you an equal-opportunity hater, or do you just focus on the ONE religion that’s become fair game to lowlifes like McFarland because, ironically, most believers in that religion actually practice its tenets and so are unlikely to plant a bomb in his car? Yeah, dumping on Christianity takes real guts, as I’m SURE you know.

    Slandering Walt Disney or anyone else with the kind of regularity and viciousness that McFarland displays is hardly trivial. McFarland goes after Disney not because of an actual flaw but because McFarland hates what Walt stood for – family values. I guess they’re a threat to him in some way. I pity him if that’s true.

    As for Obama, you might remember that democracy got your idol elected and, yes, democracy might very well get him tossed out. That’s not derailment – that’s democracy at work. I really don’t think you need to get so concerned about *other* people’s ignorance. Worry about your own.

  • http://totald.blogspot.com DarlieB

    “So your solution to hungry children is to kill them in the womb? “-Jason

    I suggested killing no one but you sure thought of it pretty quick . I merely pointed out the complete hypocrisy of a filthy rich and corrupt religious corporation that on the one hand touts fetuses as “babies ” while on the other hand simultaneously abandons them to poverty and starvation. And then murders doctors in church ? A final act of true Pro-Life hypocrisy ? I think so.

    “And there’s something wrong with Jesus camp?”-Jason

    It’s called “child abuse ” Jason. Any religion that is forces itself on a child and tells that child that they will burn in eternal hell if they do not believe in some ridiculous , made up deity is kind of bad don’t you think ? Religion is like drinking , hold off till the age of consent when children are not so susceptible to the brainwashing.

    ” Tell me, do you also despise Jewish/Islamic/Pagan get-togethers? “-Jason

    I don’t care what people do . Not at all ! If they choose that religious “lifestyle” the more power to them but I think a line needs to be drawn for the protection of children . Child abuse has no religious excuse.

    “Yeah, dumping on Christianity takes real guts, as I’m SURE you know.”-Jason

    80% of “Christians” have never read the bible so it’s not hard to parody is it ? I mean , it parodies itself pretty well with followers mangling the intent with some pretty wacky misquotes .

    ” McFarland hates what Walt stood for – family values. “-Jason

    That is so incredibly ridiculous. Embarrassingly so ! Religious people have just as many affairs, commit just as many murders, rip off just … wait …. they probably rip off people way more … you just have no basis to say they have more values. None.

    ” That’s not derailment – that’s democracy at work.”

    He’s not American , he is muslim, he’s a communist , he’s a nazi, he’s a racist , he’s a socialist , he’s killing old people …… Lol ! OH COME ON ! So democracy is lies, smears , childish behavior , threats from illiterate right wing thugs, pay offs to fake grass roots (Astro Turf ) ? The only difference between us is this , I’m an American, you are a republican.

  • amid

    Sorry folks, this topic has veered off track and no longer has anything to do with Family Guy.

    Any future comments that are not specifically related to the piece above will be deleted. Thanks for your understanding.

  • doug holverson

    Well, the FG Disney pastiche was definitely awesome and accomplished. The best of its type since the dancing fish in Xanadu. Even if Meg still gets to be the punching bag.

    Obviously the show only can plummet back into the usual lameness after this.

  • http://totald.blogspot.com DarlieB

    I’m going to make this my very last post on the FG subject ( I read The Brew all the time so I’m around) . Sorry about the topic deviation Amid.

    Thank you everyone for all the kindness but the real person to thank is Greg Colton . He was really a one man show , gave us the incredibly strong boards to follow ( and we followed them slavishly ) , stressed over all the designs and tried to get all hung right and stuck around trying to get all the final details right. I think he is brilliant.

    Bye!

    P.S. Did anyone notice that Stewies run in the “Look how gayly we run !” was a version of a Disney Pinocchio run ? :)

  • Greg Colton

    Wow, over 100 comments…crazy! FG’s always a polarizing subject in internetsland. :) Anyway – feel free to debate the merits of the show and Seth’s right to exist ….if anyone has any production type questions, feel free to ask!

    Jason – Who is this “McFarland” you’re so upset with? ;)

    Doug – The Meg/Ursula thing wasn’t scripted…if you didn’t like it, blame me for that one. I didn’t want to show the characters beating up Mort, so I needed a quick way to get him offscreen….the tentacle solved this for me. Besides, Ursula is my favorite Disney villain ever, and it was the first thing I thought of when drawing Meg for this scene….almost as a joke at first, but it ended up working!

  • Robert J

    Darlie – Don’t be so quick to leave us. A majority of us value your insight even if some others don’t. It is a rare opportunity, outside of the San Diego Comic Con, for fans to get a firsthand interactive account of the behind-the-scenes workings of the animation world.

  • Robert J

    Greg – Could you clarify something you said please?

    **This wasn’t intended to be the season premiere at first…this is actually the 6th episode of the 7th production season. Fox just really liked it, so it was moved forward for air. **

    You said that the episode was “moved forward” from the “6th episode of the 7th production season.”

    Did you mean 6th episode of season 8 or did you actually hold onto the episode for nearly a year? If it was the 6th episode from the 8th season and you realized the logistical nightmare of bringing this complicated episode together, how far in advance did you project its completion time? Obviously you made it with time to spare.

  • h park

    So far it seems like everyone love the Disney style animation and hated Family Guy jokes. Now I’m going to say the opposite. I didn’t like the animation and I didn’t care about the jokes. Even though I have no intention of disrespecting hard working animators behind the Disney style, I felt that they could experiment with timing and gestures without being too Disney-like.

    I guess I didn’t like the animation because it was overtly smooth and timing felt really slow even though it was only few minutes long.
    Here was an opportunity to make good animation outside of usual family-friendly circle, yet I felt that direction was on somewhat safe side when it comes to certain violent scene (you know which one I’m talking about). Instead of the segment being just good Disney style animation merely supporting the joke, I wish it could be unique from its predecessors by being totally outrageous.

  • Greg Colton

    Robert – what’s airing now as “Season 8″ is really production season 7. Due to 4th season (production) being 35 episodes, and some stops/starts due to the writers strike and other things, the whole “season” labeling thing has gotten quite goofy. No recent episode is “held onto” …they’re sometimes finished days before airing.

    So, while viewers will consider Multiverse “Season 8, episode 1″ …for us it was Season 7, episode 6.

  • Jason

    **Jason – Who is this “McFarland” you’re so upset with? ;)**

    Oops, misspelled his name. Sorry.

  • http://okgrillo.blogspot.com Oscar Grillo

    Here you have a very good quality posting of this video:
    http://www.formulatv.com/videos/1285/si-disney-dibujara-padre-de-familia/

  • Robert J

    Thanks Greg for the clarification.

  • Mike (the Mike) Essa

    I didnt know there would be a lot of haters out there for family guy. Sure they do repeat the whole “this-is-worse-than-that-time” flash back, but hello, thats what they are well known for. No other cartoon has ever pulled that off. Now if all they did was burp and fart in that cartoon, for example, well it would be crude and lame and not funny (which is the same as lame I guess). We’ve seen the burping and farting from kid toons.

    I watched family guy when it first came out and felt exactly the same as some of you did and stopped watching it. Then I turned on the tv years down the road, it was this episode where they went to a flash back and Brian was sitting under a tree singing with a guitar and then Peter pops out from behind the tree delightfully dancing away on his tip toes. You had to watch the flash back to understand what I mean, but when I saw that I cracked up and remember Family Guy isn’t all THAT bad. So I started watching it again.

    Family Guy is recognized for those “Remember-that-time” moments, as South Park is recognized for mocking Up-To-Date bull shit that goes on in the media and in this world. Or Ren and Stimpy recognized for…..well shit alot of things. Thats what makes it an ORIGINAL cartoon. Family Guy’s style of animation make look plane, but its all in the writing as well. Now wheres my gold medal?

    P.S. I just had some pie =]

  • Mike Russo

    “Anyway if anyone has any production type questions, feel free to ask!”

    Thanks, Greg. Don’t mind if I do.

    Is there anything (in particular extra universes) that ended up getting cut out of the episode for content and/or time that might show up when this episode arrives on DVD?

    Were there any ideas that didn’t even make it to the animation stage? I’m sure there were tons of great ideas that for one reason or another never ended up getting utilized.

    Lastly, is there anything about the finished episode that you personally think could have turned out better?

    Thanks

  • Greg Colton

    ***Is there anything (in particular extra universes) that ended up getting cut out of the episode for content and/or time that might show up when this episode arrives on DVD?***

    There was a universe run by 80′s bullies that got cut. It was replaced by the glacier scene. I’m sure it’ll be on the DVD as an extra, but not put back into the episode. While I hate to see something that a lot of work went into get cut, I like the pace of the episode much better without it. There was also more time spent in the futuristic universe…but again – I like it better without that stuff. A few lines were cut/changed for standards…those might be back on the DVD. The DVD’s always have the broadcast version too in case you like the alt. lines.

    ***Were there any ideas that didn’t even make it to the animation stage? I’m sure there were tons of great ideas that for one reason or another never ended up getting utilized.***

    This was a pretty tight script, and aside from the 80′s bullies universe, nothing major was really thrown out.

    ***Lastly, is there anything about the finished episode that you personally think could have turned out better? ***

    There’s always something I wish I could have done different or fixed….but overall I’m very happy w/ it. Some of the Clam Day stuff at the start was rewritten – which causes a cut I don’t like (the family walking away from the tent, then cutting to Chris/Lois at the booth). I wish we had time to put an insert there. I hate the BG behind Brian/Stewie when Stewie is explaining the futuristic universe. They look too big compared to the buildings and it’s just very static. I would have liked to compose that differently and put some of the flying cars/people back there. As great as the Disney scene came out, there’s some dodgy lip sync due to some miscomunications w/ the overseas studio….and Darlie did a very funny “sassy walk” when Peter walks away from the door, but it got watered down. Oh, and in the two-headed universe there’s a photo on the wall of one-headed Chris…gah! :)

    Sometimes being too close to it sucks….but based on the reaction from people who watched it, no one really cares about those little flaws….they had a good time!

  • http://mikethemike.deviantart.com/ Mike (the Mike) Essa

    ****As great as the Disney scene came out, there’s some dodgy lip sync due to some miscomunications w/ the overseas studio****

    I think I know which part your talking about. It seemed off in the beginning when Brian says “What the hell?” if I’m not mistaking.

    And I did notice that “sassy walk” and for some reason his facial expression and even the movement of his belly as he’s walking away I find humorous and overall very well animated. When watching the whole Disney part of the show, I convince myself that I’m not even watching family guy anymore haha

  • http://elblogderg.blogspot.com Roberto

    Let’s clarify some things. Greg seems to be a great guy and I’m glad he’s happy working in Family Guy. He also has some good points about the different styles of animation and all. But I still think the writing of Family Guy is not very good and the drawings are just TOO bad. Let’s see this other opinion:

    >>What I find most interesting is that those who want to trash the ‘look’ of FG are the same people who are still die hard Flintstone and Scooby-Doo fans. As anyone who grew up in the ’70s or ‘80s knows HannaBarbera were the kings of ‘Limited Animation’. What is so different now? <<

    I am not a great fan of Hanna Barbera, but The Flinstones is a good show, with good designs and writing. The characters are likeable. The animation, though limited, is expressive. The jokes are funny. I do find it a little boring to look at sometimes but it was clearly trying a little more than Family Guy.

    Scooby Doo is pretty crappy if you ask me, but the designs are still better than Family Guy.

    It’s not the fact that there are not wild takes or Tex Avery style type of things, I’m the biggest fan of that stuff, but even I can admit not all the shows have to look like that. But do the designs have to look SO ugly? Can’t the characters change their facial expressions a little more? Can’t they move a little more smoothly? Would that really kill the humor in Family Guy? I really doubt it.

    “Peanuts” cartoons or the first seasons of “The Simpsons” are not drawn or animated like a classic feature cartoon. They don’t use the wild takes or the fluid animation of Disney/Warner classics, but they don’t look as dead or ugly as FG looks.

  • Mike Russo

    You’re not saying anything many, many Family Guy haters have said hundreds of times before, Robert. Can’t it just be a matter of opinion that the Family Guy designs are ugly? I’m sure for many people The Simpsons are just as ugly. Or the entire cast of South Park. Or the abundance of imported Canadian crap that Cartoon Network keeps throwing at kids. Or Mike Judge’s style. I think I speak for many Family Guy fans when I say that the show’s style does indeed work for what it’s trying to do. I can’t imagine the show working if the animation was any more expressive than it already is. It just wouldn’t feel right. It’d be a completely different show entirely.

    Funny enough American Dad uses the exact same style (and IMHO it’s characters are just as nasty and mean spirited, if not moreso) and I’ve never seen anyone attack it. Where’s all the Cleveland Show hate? I’ve never seen a group of people get off on attacking something that’s just trying to make people laugh more than the Family Guy haters. We get it. You people have an incredibly high standard for animated programming that makes Family Guy look like trash. Get over yourselves.

  • Mike Russo

    Ok, now that I got that out of my system…

    Greg, was there a method to your madness when it came to Brian and Stewie’s status in each universe? In the Japanese, two-headed, blocky low-resolution and dog universes alternate versions of Brian and Stewie exist, making the original Brian and Stewie strangers in those universes. But in the Disney universe they’re the only versions of Brian and Stewie to be seen.

    Additionally in the Disney universe (as in the Robot Chicken universe) Brian and Stewie take on the characteristics of that specific world. Yet that doesn’t happen in the blocky, low-res universe.

    Is this something you were aware of while making the episode or was continuity from universe to universe low on your list of priorities?

  • Greg Colton

    Mike, I realize that’s a flaw in the “logic” of the multiverse theory …yes, there should probably be 2 Brian & Stewies at all times …but, we cheated it purely for visual reasons. A lot of the universes have multiple reveals…if they had 2 heads right away, or were Japanese, that would take away from those reveal gags. Likewise, if Brian and Stewie appeared in the Disneyverse or Robot Chickenverse looking like their normal selves, it just wouldn’t have as much of an impact…or it would just feel weird. Same w/ the Political Cartooniverse…it’s just funnier if they become part of it.

    …and yes, I also realize at the end of Road to Germany that there are technically 2 Brians and 2 Stewies, and by destroying the time machine that means that they would have never been able to travel back in time and that the episode really shouldn’t even exist and I could have been on vacation that whole time!!!!!!! :)

  • doug holverson

    @ Greg Colton: The Ursula version of Meg didn’t bug me that much in particular, as much as the Meg bashing in whole show. Her being the pug-ugly bulldog in the doggieverse, her dad farting in her face twice, plus the all other abuse in other episodes.

    Actually, I’m not an Ursula hater. My 1941 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser is actually nicknamed after Ursula. I picked it up about the time the movie came out. They’re both big and round and weird looking and dressed in black. I have a dweebie regret of not picking up a Ursula bendie figure that the burger franchise was giving out back then so that the car would have a mascot.

    Kudos on pulling off an incongruous oasis of brilliance inside of the dull desert of Family Guy!

    Here is a the YouTube clip of the only other Disney homage that I know that is in league with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DiZeVptAoM

    This thread has inspired me to start an attempted Al Capp-ish alternate universe version of Peter’s clan and do a one page cartoon about how I feel towards FG and fans tentatively titled “No Soap Television”.

  • Mike Russo

    Believe me, I wouldn’t want “Road to the Multiverse” to play out any other way. I just asked out of curiosity.

    Looking forward to what else season 8 has in store…

  • http://elblogderg.blogspot.com Roberto

    Simpsons designs are not beautiful, but they are more expressive, or were in the old era. South Park is ugly in its designs and so are Beavis and Butthead. But FG looks both ugly and boring. Not only that, it seems derivative, very similar to Simpsons style but in a more boring way. It may be a little subjective, but I can’t see anyone seeing those designs beautiful or even funny in any way. Maybe you like what they do, their dialogues or the writing. Maybe you even like some decissions in their animation, but can anyone defend the designs? Does anyone find them pretty or interesting to look at?

    Even though I’m a Simpson fan and I still enjoy the show I also criticize the lack of expressiveness in the modern animation and I’d also love to see more off-model poses from time to time. I think that’s a flaw of Matt Groening, cause I believe he wants everything on-model.

    Since you mentioned it, I think American Dad is a little more entertaining than Family Guy because of its writing. The characters are also mean-spirited, but there are stories and characters. It’s not fantastic but it tells a story and the personalities of the characters are coherent from one episode to another. I watched Cleveland just out of curiosity and it was dull and boring, but nobody is praising that show.

  • Peter Chung

    Funnier than anything in the episode is the fact that the Cartoon Brew readers are effusing praise over the “lovely” animation of the Disney sequence. The animators did a brilliant job in conveying the formulas of the worst aspects of the Disney style: cloying, insipid, overly florid and insufferable. All the rough edges have been smoothed out. Clearly, the joke is when the characters comment on how perfect this world is– as they’ve been lulled into inertia. It’s a bit disconcerting that the “animation fans” are lamenting that all TV animation can’t be produced in that manner. They remind me of conservative viewers who don’t get that Stephen Colbert is mocking them.

  • Jason

    Peter, the “worst aspects” of Disney are far better than just about anything out there, particularly the stiff, uninspired “animation” usually found in toons like Family Guy. People in general love graceful movement, visual flow, and expressive body language in animation. IMO, the scam that proponents of bizarre or limited animation try to foist on the public – that it’s a matter of “style” or “sophistication” – has gotten pretty old, and fewer people are falling for it. THAT’S why people have responded to the sequence the way they have. People are tired of the flat paper dolls most TV toons are populated with. (The worst offender, next to Family Guy, is probably that abominable Fairly Odd Parents). People who can’t draw or animate very well have used limited animation as an excuse long enough. The reaction to this segment gives them fair warning. And it’s long overdue IMO.

  • http://elblogderg.blogspot.com Roberto

    I agree with Jason.

    Also, in my response to Mike Russo, who said I didn’t say “anything many Family Guy haters have said before” I forget to mention I didn’t want to show how smart I am. When I said “Just clarify some things” I was essentially referring to the fact that some previous comments wanted to put Family Guy to Hanna Barbera’s level, and that’s what I wanted to clarify. The problem is not only limited animation but also ugly designs and lack of expresiveness. It’s the fact that seems to be done by people who can’t draw very well, like Jason says. And I know some of the people who works in those shows can draw really well, so I would like to see them trying more often.

    I also disagree with the statement Hanna Barbera=crap and Family Guy=crappier. HB had a great amount of bad series but, with the exception of Scooby Doo and a few others, most of the well remembered ones, were somewhat good: Yogi, Huckleberry Hound, Top Cat or The Flinstones had good drawings and funny stories.

    And this FG segment is maybe parodying Disney’s cuteness and silly songs, but if you forget about all the corny or affected elements they are parodying, there are solid, expressive, good looking characters with beautiful backgrounds and camera movements. You could also have this elements and made something in the spirit of the Looney Tunes or something even more adult/violent if you don’t like “cute” stuff. People who don’t like Disney may find their messages “intoxicating”, but they rarely hate the visual aspects. And I must say this segment doesn’t really reflect the worst VISUAL aspects of Disney at all, the characters are cute caricatures and not realistic heroes which are usually the worst Disney designs from the 90s and the whole segment uses designs more similar to those of the golden era of cartoons. The bees looks like the bee in the Donald Duck cartoons, Cleveland skunk looks like Flower from Bambi, Peter looks a little like that ranger in those Donald Duck/bear cartoons. All beautiful designs, if you ask me.

  • Pete

    Are we talking about Disney movies or Disney TV series? Because Disney’s TV series, current and past, have a great deal animated in Asia. Eg the best sequences of Ducktales or Rescue Rangers were animated by Studio TMS.

    Reminds me when the series Heidi had negative reviews because of the cheap animation when compared to a Disney movie. As if 52 episodes could be compared to an 80 minute movie.

    TV animation production and narrative are totally different than production of cinema movies. So they should not be compared. And even then, both should be more versatile.

    Regarding animated movies and not series, some feature much better animation than Disney, eg the movie, the Curious Adventures of Mr Wonderbird

    the whole movie can be watched and downloaded legally here:
    http://archiveclassicmovies.com/watch.php
    http://ia341029.us.archive.org/2/items/The_Curious_Adventures_of_Mr_Wonderbird/video.html

  • Greg Colton

    ***(The worst offender, next to Family Guy, is probably that abominable Fairly Odd Parents)***

    Can we at least agree that “The Life and Times of Tim” on HBO has the worst designs and animation of any show of all time ever? :) And personally I think Fairly Oddparents has appealing designs and snappy timing. The style has been overdone at this point, but that’s another topic.

    ***Roberto said:The bees looks like the
    bee in the Donald Duck cartoons, Cleveland skunk looks like Flower from Bambi, Peter looks a little like that ranger in those Donald Duck/bear cartoons.***

    You nailed it on the bees and Cleveland …but w/ Peter I was sort of going for a mash-up of Tweedledum, Stromboli, and Lefou. He couldn’t be as “real” as Stromboli, and not as silly as Lefou. Perhaps Sandro referenced the ranger for the final design?

  • http://elblogderg.blogspot.com Roberto

    Ah, it’s true, he looks a little like Tweedledum too. He actually looks better than Lefou IMO. Why does he wears glasses? Some Geppetto was added to the mix? Anyway it’s a nice touch.

  • Greg Colton

    Roberto – Peter’s normal design has glasses. Maybe you didn’t notice because his eyes “are” his glasses …but in the Diz design they’re separate.

  • Mike Russo

    Roberto, Peter always wears glasses.

    Greg, I didn’t know until recently that you directed “Lois Kills Stewie”. Any juicy tidbits on that episode, and the deleted “List” song that ended up on the DVD?

  • h park

    As Mike Russo pointed out, most people who hated Family Guy designs and loved Disney style scenes have unrealistic high standard. That sounds like commenting your favorite soap opera doesn’t have state-of-the-art CG VFX.

  • http://elblogderg.blogspot.com Roberto

    God, it’s true, for some reason I forgot he always wears glasses. I do notice it when I see pictures of him but I tend to forget it when I’m watching him in motion and I think of it as Simpsonic eyes.

  • Greg Colton

    Mike – Ya know…”Lois Kills Stewie” was so long ago I don’t really remember much…except that the song was a huge pain in the ass, and I never wanted to do a song sequence again! …but then I got “Pie”, and now I’m working on an episode w/ 3 songs.

    One thing I did want to do was milk Stewie’s death even longer at the end. I figured most people would call ‘bullshit’, knowing we wouldn’t REALLY kill him…but I wanted to keep them in so much suspense that they might think “what…holy shit…did they really..KILL HIM!?!?” …but when you’ve only got 22 min. to play with you don’t always get what you want.

  • Anthrocoon

    I loved the ep. esp. the Disney part and also the bit (hey, I’m a furry) where they’re in a world where dogs rule and humans are pets.
    I’m not an FG apologist–it can be good and it can be really bad. They will do things like create a likable character (like “New Brian”) then kill him off, literally, just for the heck of it. It’s all part of the dysfunctional mood. This happened in the Disney spoof too; it seemed too good to be true. But we couldn’t have Stewie and Brian moving to that universe–they had to get back to the one we know. So first Jasper the child molester shows up with apples, and then the urban myth joke about Disney hating Jews.

  • John D.

    Greg (if you’re still reading this) any chance of a sequel in which the boys visit the Fleischer Universe or an Anime world or one in which the characters are designed in a Peter Max-ish way, a la the Yellow Submarine?

    Or failing that, how about a full epsiode that takes place in the Disneyverse? (I know, I know, it would cost too much.)

  • http://www.guttamind.com Christopher Perkins

    Peter Chung! Big fan! When are we going to get another Aeon?

  • Kuata

    The main reason I love Family Guy is because it makes animation snobs upset. Seriously, the *entire* WORLD laughs at you. Oh no! I like that horrid “low brow” humor! Gasp!

    Get over yourselves. I know that’s cliche, but you people are walking, breathing cliches. Yeah, we can spend a million dollars an episode for an animated sitcom to get overwrought Disney animation. Way to associate with reality, kids.

    I also love the “FG fans are morons” meme. Are you people in middle school? Haven’t yet learned the life lesson that humor is one of the most subjective things in human history? I also love Carlin and Vonnegut and Wilde. I guess I allow myself to enjoy all levels of humor without wearing blinkers and living with a broom handle up my butt.

    That being said, the new Astro Boy movie looks terrible. “I was born ready?” Bleah. And Dr. Tenma is just a loving father? Bwuh?

  • Mike Russo

    *high fives Kuata*

  • Daryl Anderson

    I enjoyed almost every minute of this episode. The Disneyesque sequence was simply brilliant. Having downloaded it onto my PS3, I can study and appreciate it frame by frame on the big screen. It’s total cartoon eye candy. Great work to all of those involved!

    As for the “normal” Family Guy animation, I have noticed that it appears that we are seeing less and less new expressions and mannerisms from the characters, as if the animators now have a reference library they just go to. Having the DVD box set, it appears that the earlier episodes of FG seem to provide a somewhat richer experience. Maybe this is due to the characters’ personalities being less set in stone back then, I don’t know. A good example for comparison is the Wasted Talent episode. Brian’s never drawn with expressions like that now. I think the current level of animation quality is adequate, but yeah, kind of flat. Consistent and predictable.

    As far as the writing goes, there are episodes where I swear FG has jumped the shark, some that are just meh, and then every 3rd or 4th one really shines above the rest. That’s a pretty decent track record I think… But what’s with all of the Jewish ones lately? And Brian needs to go back to drinking, smoking and groping Lois and Stewie being evil again!

  • Mike W

    With the exception of the posts by the animators who contributed to the “Disney” segment of Family Guys “Road To The Multiverse”, this forum has to be the most boring, over-analyzing, overly pc group of wannabe critics I”ve ever encountered online.

    WTF is wrong with you people? Are your lives THAT meaningless that you can’t take an animated show targeted at adults for what it is? Its entertainment…plain and simple. And if you aren’t entertained by it, why waste time watching it just to waste even MORE time to complain about it?

    Go find a forum that discusses something you DO like. Isn’t that a novel idea?

  • L Chen

    People watch FG for the horrid low brow humor, can’t all be denizens of Frasier or MASH.

    Also, animation critics, I kind of get what you’re saying, but honestly, that’s impossibly high expectations of what amounts to a comedy show, presented as an animated show. The animation is just a vehicle to present the comedy aspects, not the other way around.

    Plus, feature animations take many times more manpower, time, and budget for a 120 some minutes one time deal, Family Guy is a serial, with 30 minute segments for an entire season with less budget, manpower, and time, so to expect the same quality is ludicrous at best.

  • Mie vaan moi

    not a fan of family guy? what’s the matter with you? don’t you dare to say “i prefer the simpsons”, if you do, you’re a fag.

  • Matt

    @Greg you’re probably not keeping up with this thread anymore, but I thought it was funny you mentioned “Life and Times of Tim.” You’re right, that probably is the lowest quality animation on TV, and I absolutely LOVE that show! I think the pre-school-like character of the animation fits the humor perfectly. I think the “squiggle-vision” style of “Home Movies” is another good example of low-quality animation used to good effect. I think “Squidbillies” fits the bill as well. Adult Swim has probably had some other shows like that, too, but those are the ones I like the best.

    Do all the people bashing FG for being low-brow and un-PC have no problem with the content of most Disney movies? Did someone say that Disney has “family values?” They do – the values of the pre-civil rights era! Have you ever noticed that the highest aspiration of every female lead in a Disney movie is to marry a prince? Or that every princess was white up until Jasmine? Disney movies have always been a bunch of whitewashed garbage intended to teach suburban white kids that life is a fairy tale and shelter them from the real world, presumably with the effect of eventually turning them into faithful evangelical Republicans.

    • Erik

      Your assessment of Disney having some dated values doesn’t the fact that FG went for the obvious jokes. Sure, it serves its purpose, but it’s still stupid. This doesn’t mean Disney was always PC, but you have this flawed logic that people can’t criticize FG for some of its Disney jokes.

      Disney generalizers like you piss me off just as much as those who completely ignore disney’s flaws(perhaps even more so).