The film is deep and it has heart.
Not only is it one of the best animated films of all time, it will be put up there as one of the best sci-fi movies of all time.

Presto was hilarious! The best Pixar short yet!

Bolt………..I’ll see it in theaters, but it doesn’t look that good.

Both were amazing! Making a movie with a non-anthropomorphic robot star, very little dialogue in the beginning, and live-action bits took guts coming from a huge studio. Stanton pulls it off expertly, and shows that Nemo was just the tip of the iceberg of what he can accomplish. Presto was hilarious, and was animated gorgeously. It was great to see Pixar go really cartoony. This one’s sure to be a hit. Congrats to everyone who worked on Wall-E!

Loved it. Its right behind The Incredibles as my favorite Pixar film. I think the lack of dialogue helped its sense of wonder, and the sound design was spectacular. The buzzes and whirrs of all the robots really gave them more personality than I was expecting. Presto was great as well.

I saw a midnight screening last night. I am a bit surprised by the universal raves the film is receiving, though I noticed something common to a lot of them. They praise the first 40 minutes effusively, but don’t say much about the later parts of the film. Here’s my thoughts:
I found the first 40 minutes or so absolutely marvelous. They were fresh and exciting and I felt like I was watching something unlike any other movie (though the live action Fred Willard was a little strange. I’m not sure why they thought live action was a good choice for the past).I was absolutely entranced. And then they left Earth, and the movie started to lose me.
The character of the captain was, I thought, completely uninteresting and unbelievable. His transformation from lazy blob to gung-ho for Earth, made little sense to me, nor did I much care for it. He was a function more than a character, lacking a personality half as compelling as WallE himself. And the little robot began to vanish for large chunks of the movie. I was frustrated to be treated to the story of human renewal as if I should care merely by the fact that they were human.
I perked up when WallE and Eve inspired a tender moment between the two humans, thinking that the this was how the robot would be the impetus for change, but looking back at the movie, I don’t really have the feeling that WallE, through the force of his unique personality or through his own experiences, really changed the course of events. Yes, he held up the shaft to allow the plant to be scanned, but it was hardly the sort of big character catharsis/climax that I expect in a movie. Instead, the big catharsis is the captain’s- standing and fighting with the autopilot, reversing his earlier traits in a flurry of self improvement, and risking everything for a chance at betterment. I understand that WallE is not subject to great change in his personality, but he doesn’t make strong choices at the end, either.
There were other things that nagged at me, too. The asylum robots were poorly differentiated and developed. After yet another confrontation with the sentry-bots, we see that the boxing robot has kicked their butts. I might have been more thrilled if I knew enough about the robots to know there WAS a boxing bot. These were a great opportunity for WallE to rally an army behind him, to show leadership, even inadvertent, in his single minded quest for Eve, but the story never took advantage of that opening. They just kind of tagged along and worked towards his goal without much conflict or reason.
So my feelings at the end of the movie were mixed. I was so entranced by the first act that the visual monotony and dramatic intertia of the spaceship sequences were a huge letdown (after the initial sequence, which I loved, of WallE chasing Eve en route to the captain’s quarters).
Most reviews- NYPost, Village Voice, etc. - focus on the astoundingly good first act, and I loved it so much that I can still recommend the movie wholeheartedly, but I know I can’t be the only one who found the latter sections lacking. Not when part one includes such a potent demonstration of the unique storytelling power of this medium, and the rest loses sight of its endearing main character for endless stretches.
Presto, I thought, was their best short yet. Brilliant.

Just got back from it. Oh man, this will go down as one of the best Science Fiction movies ever. I hope the Pixar people bought more shelving, since it will be getting awards of all kinds over the coming year. Absolutely astounding acting from mechanical beings, and a plot that never fails to please. In a crowded audience of kids and parents, not a bored face in the house.

And “Presto!” I want an Alex doll! I can’t say it any better than how one fellow put it: Tex Avery directs “Portal.”

Everyone responsible for either production deserves applause and can take a well-earned bow. I can’t wait to see them again.

I feel strange about saying this . . . but I think Eve is my dream woman.

it worked. it all worked. amazing stuff.

Presto – My favorite short since Knick-Knack. W-B timing. Loved the Walt caricature.

Wall•E - One thing I haven’t seen mentioned yet; this one film has jokingly included almost every neophyte/film student “message meme” ever done, and does it so lightly and effortlessly that most viewers won’t even notice them. I’m not talking about the larger Eco and human devolution stuff, but the small, self centered “Mary Jane character” things that early sci-fi filmmakers want so desperately to tell the world. I wish I could remember a specific example, but none stuck after just one viewing. There will, of course, be more viewings.

It is also the ultimate guy romance fantasy:
Meet beautiful unfeeling girl
Overcome her initial resistance
Teach her how to love
Be rewarded with her love

In the middle of the movie, Stanton & Co. held off kicking in a story-line till after a bunch of shipboard procedural scenes. This was the only problem I had with the film.
Kudos to Ben Burtt.
See it on a great screen.

I saw the midnite show. I got a Wall-E watch with my ticket!

A fine movie but it would have been a great one if the advance publicity and buzz had not given away so much of it. A primarily visual story can’t have a lot of plot details so when they reveal one or two of them they are giving away a lot. But i understand the dilemma for the marketeers. Without advance cliff notes, the very young viewers will have trouble following it.

If I had walked into it not knowing anything of what I was going to see i would have been knocked over, much like when I saw Iron Giant. Wall-E doesn’t quite reach that level of “makes grown men cry.”

That said, every shot is a marvel of modeling and lighting. I wonder how they got it all done. And I admire that they did so much with so little gab.

Surprise to see live action people in a Pixar movie, but imagine trying to re-animate Fred Willard.

If you want a prequel to Wall-E… it’s already been made! Check out Mike Judge’s “Idiocracy” which is about how that debacle you see at the opening of “Wall-E” happened.

I was left during the credits to the sounds of my satisfied, and contented sighs. Better then …

No. Not that good, but almost. Especially the first 45 minutes. Fantastic film making. I have not been that drawn into a film, in, I can’t remember how long.

Presto gets a 9.8/10 Laugh out loud, time and time again. Energy, fun, great stuff.

Somebody mentioned Idiocracy here, and that’s a great connection!

Wall-E has some very honest, very likely and very brilliant things to say about the human condition in the modern world. One of the best flicks in the past decade, and absolutely charming and friendly in a business that confuses dark with meaningful, or loud with funny. The animation was mindblowing, and the story was deepest. Plus, Fred Willard!

Wall-E will be the #1 Box Office flick for a while, and studios should really pay attention, as it will be one of the highest grossing flicks (like Nemo or Incredibles or Toy Story, etcetera) where the audience is coming in not to see beloved characters like Iron Man or the Hulk, but to see a great story. So here’s hoping the artists have more power in this sick controlled McDonald’s marketing business. Or movies in general.

Take a look at this for example–> http://www.avclub.com/content/hater/hilarious_things_to_put_in_kung.

Presto! was great, but considering how nifty the features are, it would kind of be nice to see something diffirent than the ‘wacky gag elaborated’ toon. Can’t complain. I don’t think I’ve ever heard an audience laugh that hard at slapstick. Very clever toon.

I just caught the midnight screening at the El Capitan theatre (and accidentally stole a free Wall*E t-shirt from the grip of the woman next to us. oops, sorry anonymous woman in seat CC7!)

The first 40 minutes are brilliant cinema. It’s apparent that Stanton was trusted by everyone just as much as he trusted his own team. The acting really is brilliant: the sort of humor that can only be pulled off by great timing. And great timing is there in leaps in bounds.

Personally, I think the movie does have its story problems. There were a couple times where I was confused as to why Eve & Wall-E were struggling so hard to save the plant. I understood that the plant was the key to Wall*E & Eve being finally together on Earth, but at times I didn’t feel like they knew that. I didn’t quite understand why the Axiom’s Autopilot system refused to obey the Captain’s orders to return to Earth - I felt like it was already set up that the Autopilot “had” to follow the Captain’s orders (he showed the Captain confidential information that was originally for the Autopilot’s eyes only), but then was able to break that command when the Captain ordered a return to Earth? Was autopilot a conscious being or not? He skirted the line enough to be unclear, and there was no definitive “Autopilot is alive and says no” moment that I remember.

Also, the ending didn’t quite ring true for me because of the same setup problems. However, the main characters are so strong and entertaining that they pull the film and the audience through what I thought were story problems. Stanton sets up a number of story points early that are waiting for resolution, and it’s those story points that carry the audience to the end.

All that said, it’s probobably the ballsiest movie Pixar has done, and certainly the most interesting commentary produced by the studio. I wish I could have worked on it.

Wall-E’s characters were among the strongest ever created. Fantastic entertainment. I’m going back this weekend to see it. Made me tear up 9 or 10 times.

Presto was amazing. One of the best shorts I’ve seen.

Wall-E is good, but it didn’t grab me. The first half is amazing but the second half isn’t as good. It’s a good film and the animation is some of Pixar’s best. It just didn’t do it for me.

Oh and Wall-E is definitely not for young kids. Anyone older then 7 or 8 should be fine, but it’s not for anyone younger.

I agree with all the love to Presto, which I think was the first animated short to really recapture the Tex Avery aesthetic since, well, Tex Avery. It’s like the perfect marriage of highwater-mark Warners with Pixar.

I loved Wall-E as well, but I do agree with the story criticisms of the middle act, primarily the point raised above about the character of the Captain. Even *one* short scene that made him out to be a bored dreamer, long obsessed with Earth, or anything that would explain why he becomes as passionate as he does. I understand that the story wants to stick with Wall-E’s POV for the most part, but there could easily have been space for Wall-E to get a look into the Captain’s private world.

My 11 year old son and I saw the 9:30 screening this morning. We enjoyed both Presto and Wall-E.

My advice: Don’t go to an early showing with young children present. A girl about 4 or 5 sat behind us and her and her mother talked NON STOP throughout the whole film but ESPECIALLY the first 45 minutes “Why is he doing that?” “What’s that?” “Why?” “What?” every few seconds. I agree with Ethan-most children in the U.S. under 6 will have a hard time with the lack of dialogue.

Saw a 10 AM screening:

1. Presto was excellent.

2. Wall-E was flawless. I am not a Pixar-superfan by any stretch of the imagination. Cars had was an unwatchable mess and Ratatouille was terribly flawed and childish. But Wall-E, a film I didn’t know anything about beyond there was a robot in it, was all out fantastic!! It never got childish or annoying. It was funny and genuinely engaging and sweet. There was enough material for adults. In fact, the film was so counter-cultural in a way that Dreamworks can never be, that I was honestly suprised that they made it. The fat pampered human civilization, the planet filled with trash, lives run by corporations. It deserves all the praise and the countless awards it will go on to win.

Presto reminded me so much of the old-school Merrie Melodies cartoons. I loved every minute of it, and the over-the-top animation really knocked my socks off. Not my favorite Pixar short….but most certainly up there.

I absolutely loved Wall E. Not only did everything look gorgeous, but the story had so much symbolism and depth to it that there’s no doubt in my mind that this movie will go down as a Sci-Fi classic. I went with some older friends who wouldn’t normally go see an animated movie, and they all agreed that this was by far one of the few movies that had ever touched them in a deeply philosophical and emotional way. I could go on about the many levels of symbolism and meaning, but I’ll save you all the trouble.

I personally found the Captain’s character to be very engaging. Every human being in the future had become something that wasn’t human at all. Where most Jungian stereotypes of ‘The Captain’ are courageous, active, and driven, the Captain at first was no different than the rest of the humans — droll, cut-off blobs of consumption. Every human that Wall E met was awakened to their humanity—John Ratzenberg’s, character, the woman, and once the Captain meets Wall E something sparks in him. The sheer irony of a man being awakened to his own humanity courtesy of a robot is something I find fascinating. He was HUMAN at last. The Captain becomes curious, engaged, and wants to fight to prevent him from losing the one thing and the one idea that made him MATTER. His feelings are justified by his lack of humanity before he met Wall E or found the plant.

I worry that people will see this movie and miss out on all that glorious symbolism (Eve is the ideal female–not just because of the Biblical symbolism, but her personality, attentive caring for Walle E, and even her shape is reminiscent of a fertile egg). This movie is so much more than JUST an animated movie, and I hope by now the general public has realized that animated movies can have just as much depth and realism as live-action.

All in all, this is an absolutely spectacular movie, and is certainly one of my favorites. Everyone at Pixar should be damned proud of creating such a masterful piece of cinema.

Interesting point about the Captain. I didn’t have a problem with the Captain’s change nor his personality… I felt like a general human urge to break out of routine was strong enough to bring him to action. I think basically every generic Romantic Comedy pulls off the same change - it always starts with a man and a woman who are broken out of their daily routine with the meeting of each other. Then they go to great lengths to establish a relationship.

Also, we have a Captain that has a basic master/slave relationship with robots. When that position of power is threatened, anything can happen, especially when a robot that has been following your orders for your entire existence defies your orders.. The Captain also saw a true path to happiness through the holo-viewings of old-Earth. The only thing the Captain had to lose was his morning announcements, and even those were taken away from him very early. He had nothing to lose, and everything to gain. Hence the action.

I didn’t mind the World Changing events piggybacking on Wall*E’s singular quest for Eve, even if it was a slightly weak link. I don’t think it would have been a stronger film had Wall*E been a true leader of robots - he was a simple garbageman and had basically no reason to lead a real revolution. I don’t think he would have cared that Earth could be terraformed and repopulated. In fact, it would have left him with no purpose except to be with Eve. At the end of the film they can both continue their dual purposes - to love and to work.

Captain vs. Autopilot (Man vs. Machine) battle worked strongly enough for me. Wall*E & Eve versus Axiom (arguably Man vs. Machine again) didn’t quite. I still didn’t get the impression that they clearly saw the placing of the plant as the path to their happiness. Yes it was obviously the solution to deactivating the Axiom’s security systems as we see in the end, which achieved their own happiness. However, I don’t feel like they knew the plant was the key to their goal. Maybe on repeated viewings I might get it.

But still, a fabulous film and a masterwork.

A truly great sci-fi/romance movie. Everything about it works. What i found strange was I found myself almost tearing up in unexpected places. If Pixar can make robots emote so well, well, we ought to consider it an AMAZING achievement. Wonderful acting. Wonderful sound ( Go Ben Burrt! ) and really great cinematography. I love movies that are epic in scale.

But I think by far was that this film had NOT A TRACE OF SARCASM. Thank…God. Between cable, the internet, radio, and even books, Ive had more negative “entertainment” to last me a lifetime.

This film should be nominated for BEST PICTURE. Screw the best “animated” category.

And as a calArts grad I appreciated the A-113 nod ^-^

Incredible, incredible works the pair of them. The first movie this summer that I’ll have to see a couple more times.

Did anyone else find the predicament of humanity a little more than disturbing? It reminded me of Soylent Green or some other false-utopia sci-fi, where humanity has been reduced to an infantile-like state and is nursed by their own technology. Except it’s all the more diabolical in this movie because instead of feeding us our dead or killing us at 30, they’re robbing us of pretty much everything. The humanity portrayed here is not scoff-worthy, but pretty pitiful.

My friend and I discussed afterwards, and the message wasn’t clear-cut “America, this is what you will become” but rather that the situation they were in slowly turned them into what they looked like. They were on a cruise ship, not (to them)the last vessel of humanity. It’s like the longest cocktail party ever in Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy–there’s no reason to stop partying, so why do it? They were led by the cruise ship into a sedentary existence, and no one objected because they saw no immediate danger at the time.

But those are not faults. I think this is far more “adult” than any of their other works. It’s still for kids, but yikes, the future is a scary place (to me at least).

A question : What would you have thought had Wall*E & Eve had a little more direct contact with the Axiom’s autopilot and the Captain? What if Wall*E & Eve had seen something on the Captain’s holovid system that had made them realize that their life would be perfect if the ship returned to Earth? Let’s say they saw an old film of The Carousel of Progress from Tomorrowland where there were two robots “living” in a home together with a human and through some graphical trick looked like they were holding hands.

And let’s say that it had been established that the Captain was tired of the crappy food on board. That same video shows a housewife (this is the 50’s, remember) picking home-grown spices and making dinner with them. The captain sees the plants growing, realizes that they’re part of the key to his real happiness. And Wall*E & Eve show him that the plant they’re holding is the key to growing food on Earth. But Autopilot sees something in the same film that makes him realize that returning to Earth would be slavery for robots. (Remember, he’s basically Jafar throughout the film: holds the real power, but is still somewhat at the mercy of his master).

The Captain’s character becomes a stronger character, Autopilot becomes stronger, a relationship between the Cap’ and Eve/Wall*E is established, and the rest of the film becomes the playing out of their respective goals.

I think that would solve some criticism of the Captain’s character, right?

jim m: yes! that’s exactly the sort of thing i felt was missing. the captain is being asked to basically give up everything that has become his nature. he’s lost bone via generations, for crying out loud! he can barely stand! so the idea that he suddenly becomes enamored of this place he has never been seemed odd. we don’t get a real sense of deep dissatisfaction with his current life, a sense that there is a huge whole that can only be filled by earth.
And the motivation of the “bad” robots was never clear. why didn’t they want to return to Earth? To clarify my earlier point, i didn’t so much want to see WallE become a leader of a robot battalion, as I wanted to see the robots grow in their allegiance to him. His whole appeal is his single minded-ness so I don’t see him training them or anything. i see him an an unwitting leader, a bit oblivious to his effect on his followers.
I think you nailed the missing pieces for me, Jim, in you last paragraph above. Thanks!
i did love the film. In the end, I just didn’t love it as much as I had expected to after being swept away for the first 40 minutes.

Jim and Ben - I think you need to see it again because it is all there. The captain had no hope before Eve returned positive, so there was no reason to think that things would be any different. Eve bringing the possibility of return opened his eyes to what could be and also his role as “the captain”.
The “bad” robots motivation was being programed that way. They had their mission and that was it. Why would they need something else some other motivation? Isn’t that the point though. What does it mean to be human and what it means to be a “robot”.

“And the motivation of the “bad” robots was never clear. why didn’t they want to return to Earth? ”

Because the CEO of BuyNLarge secretly overrode their programming in the belief that Earth would never recover the ability to sustain life. They weren’t bad, they were just following a hidden directive.

Personally, I think this is the best film of 2008. Loved every bit of it.

Awesome, it lagged a bit when they reached axiom but the commentary on the human race was spot on and hilarious. Little or no dialog but conveyed every human emotion - that is great animation! I was completely captivated until they reached the mother ship and even though it lagged a bit it - it still entertained - I thought the 2001 gag was hysterical.

Presto is really really really good. Wall-e character and eve character and most of the robot characters are really good. Individual scenes are really good. The interaction between Wall-e and Eve is the best.
Bad: The live action parts don’t belong in the movie. The stacks of garbage and mega store looked too much like the movie idiocracy. The fat blobby people of the future were disgusting and unsympathetic. I dont really care much for the message: we will all be dumb and fat and lazy in the future and the earth will be less inhabitable than a spaceship because we consume too much and have advanced technology- Boring and preachy. But the love story with Wall-e and Eve was enough to make it a great movie in spite of everything that I did not like about it.

I had the same type of audience as Kelly mentioned and I dont think that bodes well for this film. It’s one thing to entertain us sci-fi/animation folks, but the theatre was full of kids who were totally bored. They were yacking walking around or asking their parents why the robot was doing whatever. I think it will do well this opening weekend and then quickly die off once parents tell their friends not to take their kids. My advice is to go during a saturday matinee instead of a midnight screening for a more realistic view of what the average family thinks of it.

“Jim and Ben - I think you need to see it again because it is all there.”

I’m definitely going to see again, and am fully open to the possibility of seeing it this time. :)

The thing is, I didn’t quite “feel” it the first time. To me, if I’m asking myself “why?” during the movie, something isn’t quite right. And no, I didn’t go to the bathroom during the film. :)

“The “bad” robots motivation was being programed that way.”

For me, the Axiom/Autopilot itself rode a fine line between having a consciousness and being a straight program. And it was pushed a little too far to the Conscious Being side to feel that their motivation was straight programming. Again, I point to Autopilot’s “decision” to show the Captain confidential material. Because there was no clear defined line, I was a little confused.

Ben, I’m glad you and I are on the same page, and I’m glad this is continuing to be a constructive discussion with “pluses” flying.

Again, I wish I was good enough to work on it. :) But I’m trying, hence all the decontruction.

Wow. I was enthralled by the first half of the movie, and the rest was like icing on the cake for a perfect theatrical experience. Big props to Ben Burtt for his sound. Presto was hilarious, and all the little kids in the theater were cracking up. When Wall-E lit up the screen, I could hear little voices around me saying “Wallleeee!. It was great.

Kudos to Pixar for another statement to the power of animation, one that should be hugely rewarded for its originality, vision, and design.

Bolt on the other hand….ugh.

I agree with Tim Burke about Presto and Warner Brothers. That’s how Presto made me feel.

And I agree about the let-down after the first act of Wall-E. I thought things were a bit draggy in the last half; lots of motion, but it was mostly physical. But that first act, really wonderful and imaginative. Wall-E and Eve make you think about character design. It’s all in the motion.

I also liked the end-credits, which continued the story through a pleasing variety of visual styles from van Gogh to Pac Man.

i, too plan on seeing it again. maybe you and i should go together jim (i’m in burbank). glad to hear someone else with similar reservations.
for me, it all comes down to i loved the little robot, and i wanted to movie to continue to be about him.

Well, this is a first post on a website I read quite regularly.

I admire Ben Z. for pointing out the weak spots in the story. In a film as lauded as Wall-E, one has the feeling that you arrive already liking it (especially when it is a brilliant spot on a horizon of sub-par animated films; the same occurred, in my opinion with Persepolis: a very imperfect film sculpted by popular criticism and fanboy glee into a critically untouchable one even before it emerged from the marble block). And the following is harsh criticism coming from one of the biggest Pixar geeks around. I often list Pixar as not just a hero of animation, but of film in the broadest sense–I was eager to leave Wall-E proclaiming: movies will never be the same! And perhaps they won’t. Certainly after, and there are few detractors concerning this point, those first 45 minutes. Do we remember how irksome the speculation was concerning Passion of the Christ, when it still was to be unsubtitled? And here is Wall-E, a family film in its final product eschewing the same comfort. But yet without dialog it is still universal, it is still a visual wonder to behold, it still cuts across all demographics–it still will, mark my words, be a box office boon. Essentially, if Wall-E changes anything, and I’m still talking about Film here, its diluting the stigma of risk-taking in popular cinema.

But I was less than impressed with the film. And a lot of it had to do with Ratatouille. Who, when walking into Ratatouille, after that more-unappealing-than-not trailer (a mouse? gags about how they eat trash? um?) expected to find perhaps one of the most compelling film about artists ever created? And once again: film, not just animated film. What about it was so perfect? The answer: its subtlety. The delicate understanding of Gusteau’s playfulness, even in the sack. The meager, but precious bachelor-pad meme of Linguini’s apartment. A handful of spices into a vat of soup a catalyst for the deepest emotions. Even a kitchen full of rats–what a gentle way to muddle the audience’s preconceptions! About our interactions with the Other! About high and low art! It performed better in Paris because I think they understand these things better than we do. Subtlety in the cinema is more of a trope on their side of the Atlantic.

So right after this pleasant surprise, we are given Wall-E. An earth with skyscrapers of trash. A future of tremendously overweight people with such horrible losses in bone density they travel around by hover-recliners. This isn’t subtle, this is absurd. This is, dare I say it? Completely expected. The story line does not have the murmur of an arc that Ratatouille had: it is sweeping and epic, in all the wrong ways. Ben Z. is right–we’re given archetypes that just carry out their narrative function. The man, the woman, the clueless captain who helps save the day, and the evil robot. Not a rat with an unusually adept palate who battles adversity and in the end–get this–doesn’t win any more than the favor of one lonely critic.

Sure, Stanton admits the archetypes are all homages to sci-fi movies, but that doesn’t cut it for me. The subtlety of Eve and Wall-E’s interaction in the first 45 minutes was breathtaking, rivaling even that of the relationship between Remy and Linguini, between Mike and Sully (perhaps the relationship with the most subtle chemistry out of all the Pixar films). Once they go into space, everything becomes too predictable and blatant. Even Wall-E and Eve are reduced to their narrative functions (love story counterparts and eco-heroes), and we’re left wondering if we saw two different films. One in which we were unsure he and Eve were ever really gonna get along–and another in which we just knew from the get-go that boy was going to get girl, the heroes would save the day, and all the heartbreak would be validated by a happy ending.

Alright, Pixar: we’ve seen you experiment with storytelling. You’re good, we’ll give it to you. After nine films, we have storytelling coming out of our ears. How bout some more thematic experimentation a la Perseoplis? I’m tired of hearing: ooh, what serious themes for an animated film! I want to hear: what interesting thematic territory, period, animated or not. Isn’t that the answer, and this concerns animation specifically: if we begin to more carefully develop our themes, won’t a revolution in storytelling and style have to follow?

That’s my two cents.

Presto was terrific: best short I’ve seen in a long time. It was furiously fast, funny, never stopping, I’d watch it again and again!

Wall-E … I loved it, toward the ending it got a bit more conventional than what I expected but still, all I had in mind was a little robot on earth.
I was surrounded by kids, I found them really quiet, which may be unusual. Good or bad, I have no idea.
It certainly deserve praise.

The problem with “Idiocracy” is that it was a HORRIBLE movie. I don’t care that I paid $9 bucks to see it–I want those 2 hours back.

What percentage of the film was altered after the initial sneak screenings last fall? Were the changes done in the second and/or third act? The first act is so solid, it’s hard to think any of that needed tweaking.

I saw it at a 1:50 show that was not only full of kids but had an entire summer camp group there. They were completely quiet and in their seats from beginning to end other than the toddler adorably asking “where is he?” in the opening moments.

I guess other people had opposite experiences, but it’s funny because as I was leaving I mentioned to my friends the claims I had read that this movie was risky or might not work for kids because it has little dialogue. It seemed to me like another in a long line of humorously out-of-touch backseat marketing of Pixar movies. I remember reading that A Bug’s Life would fail because bugs are gross (because, as you know, kids hate bugs and gross things) and that Ratatouille would fail because rats are gross (because of course kids are horrified by adorable blue talking cartoon rats) and now this one (because kids do not like robots, especially adorable robots, and go to movies mostly looking for quality dialogue).

At any rate, I think this movie is pretty much a masterpiece, probably Pixar’s best, and I can’t imagine it not being a huge smash hit. I’m even thinking best picture nomination although obviously the animated feature award (which it will obviously win) reduces its chances.

Just got home, and I’m still amazed. Really.

Presto is really really magnificent.

Wall-E shows that Andrew Stanton is a genius, not only a lucky guy that made a brilliant movie about fish.

Can’t wait to go to watch them again.

Such long drawn out paragraphs of people talking about how much they disliked the latter parts of the film. Can noone simply sit down with a tub of popcorn and enjoy a good flick without overanalyzing it? Its disturbing.
I personally think its the best scifi film in at least a decade. And I found the captain to be a loveable oaf.
That’s MY two cents.

I have found that nitpicking a film causes me to dislike it. I wouldnt change a thing about this movie. And I loved this film.
Cute, sincere, and as Matt said in the comments above, made without a trace of cynicism or meanspiritedness.
This stands with the Incredibles as my favorite Pixar film. And I loved the Captain. He was just a normal guy who found something that sparked his interest.
This film was innocent but not naive.

My favorite character was MOE, that little cleaning robot that followed Wall-E around the spaceship when he and eve go to the axiom. MOE’s voice and flustered personality made me grin.

And Presto, as everyone else has said, was some godly stuff. More gags crammed into a few minutes than some whole feature length comedy movies have had.

I wouldnt change a thing. Wonderful.

I was really impressed by Presto; it combined the storytelling maxi Pixar is known for with the wild, hilarious comedic timing of the best Looney Tunes and Tex Avery shorts. I think it’s become my favorite out of all of the Pixar shorts, and I think it’s one of the two definitive answers to the question, “Why does everybody say that Pixar is so good?”

The other answer is Wall-E. After coming home from seeing it, I personally feel that this is one of Pixar’s best films, if not the best one it has produced to date. I loved the characters and the story, especially how human they made the robots themselves.

What I also liked about the movie was that it was a more original post-apocalypse movie. Usually, movies like that are rather bleak, but I liked how Pixar gave it a hopeful feel; yes, humanity’s sloth and gluttony caused the Earth’s desolation, but I got the feeling that at the end, things were looking up.

The mere fact that they took such a serious (often over-preached) topic and created a love story around it, made Wall-E’s story even better for me. From what I’ve heard, the next Shrek movie might have an environmental message; if they do it nearly as well as Pixar did with Wall-E, I’ll be highly impressed.

I read some of the reviews on this site before I went to see Wall-E tonight and near the end of the movie I said to myself, wow what a long 40 minutes. That’s because I was waiting in my head for the movie to switch gears and become less good just as many had claimed.. for me it never really happened. The movie had no issues at all first or second half. I sat quietly (plus some giggles) through the whole movie grinning like an idiot awestruck by just about everything the movie had to offer.. I’ve found that every single pixar movie ever made have been my favorite for one reason or another. I always imagine what it would be like to be a part of that and it always makes me want to work harder to improve my pathetic skills.

Also Presto was so fast and furiously funny that I HAVE to see it again to catch every tiny little nuiance in the animation,… ooooh man that rabbit was so adorable.

Okay, I’ll be this guy:

I predict that in years to come, this will be seen as one of Pixar’s lesser efforts. As much as I like watching a male lead with the IQ of a four year-old pining after (and winning) a capable woman (the old nerd writer fantasy done to death on half the sitcoms of the last ten years) I felt the story was as satisfying as a bread sandwich.

Buster Keaton learned early on that the lead should never ASK for sympathy. He should be himself and get empathy. He shouldn’t be one-note “loveable” and ply the audience with sad, puppy eyes. He had no use for those tactics, and in 2008, neither do I.

Wall-E’s character was one-note, and everything about him was geared to make the audience say “aww…” I’d have preferred a character more like many of the other Pixar leads — someone who does not always show the attractive side, someone who has flaws and deals with them.

That said, I did love the vision of mankind’s future. When we got to explore that, it felt like a real Pixar movie instead of a love note written by a high schooler.

absolutely amazing. And for a pixar movie, surprisingly dark and gritty. I just hope that it’ll make enough money to appease the higher-ups at the company

I’ve seen the movie three times. Partially because I love good movies. But also to watch and listen to ordinary people’s reactions to them.

Every scene in this movie that was designed to get a laugh gets one.

Every scene in the film designed to make you go “awwww” got it :}

When the fat humans were revealed, I heard several “Oh My God”’s That was a gutsy thing, pointing out humanity’s sloth.

Hell I heard many women fawning over the damn cockroach :P

And yes, at all three screenings, there was thunderous applause at the end, and 90% of the audience stayed for the credits. Despite any dissection on our parts, this movie is a hit, and deservedly so.

Just came back from a late screening and… I’m underwhelmed. The first act was strong… I’m not really a fan of inferior, nerd-type wins the heart of a superior, beauty-queen love stories.

A good movie with a great lead, but not really my speed.

The Bugs Bunny short in the beginning was cute.

LOVED Presto! I thought it was the funniest short I’ve seen in a long time!

As for Wall-E, I was shocked at just how much I cared about that little robot when it looked like he might die. For the first time in years I had to hold back tears while watching this movie. Thank you Pixar!

I was blown away, even with my high expectations for the movie. WALL-E the character was wonderfully endearing without being cutesy, and a perfectly awkward romantic. The story made an important and impossible to miss statement without being preachy about it. One of the things I loved the most was that it only used dialogue when it was actually needed; visual language was used whenever possible.

Presto was brilliant; possibly Pixar’s best short to date. Considering that it was essentially an escalating series of gags, it was enormously clever. Doug Sweetland proves to be on par with the likes of Clampett and Jones.

We saw the 9:45 show and the kids we saw coming out of the 9:00 seemed happy and excited. A lot of them were wearing Pixar paraphenalia and I considered that there probably hasn’t been such devotion to an animation studio since Disney in the ’50s. My peers and I went to see everything from “Great Mouse Detective” to “the Lion King” but we never wore the t-shirt. I half-expected to see a trailer before the show: “Hey, Kids! Come to the PIXAR club, every Saturday noon at this theatre!” Neat.

“he can barely stand! so the idea that he suddenly becomes enamored of this place he has never been seemed odd.”

Odd? Universal, I should think. A human’s a human regardless of skeleton size! Utopians long for a world that has never been and never could be. Politicians promise “Change”. Believers “can’t feel at home in this world anymore”, though they’ve never seen the one to come. More to the point and raison d’etre of the film, artists are always envisioning, even longing, for other, better worlds than the flawed one we inhabit, and trying to spark that longing in others. I thought “Cars” and “Toy Story 2″ dealt largely with reclaiming a world that was lost. The closing credits of “Wall-E” Challenged us (especially, I think, the youngest of us) to imagine a place we’ve never been, where the saner, gentler ways of the past and the technology of the future co-exist.
Sorry for the long post. I done said what I aimed to say, and I ain’t gonna say no more.

All I will say is, I’ve never heard a packed theater so absolutely, deafeningly silent (at least a quarter being children, as well), when the film was near the very end. So absolutely simple, yet probably the best example of how simplicity can be stunning I’ve ever seen.

WALL-E bares a few similarities with Idiocracy, with the main difference being that Disney and Pixar had the guts to show everyone the grim ugly truth.

It’s great that we finally get an animated film that doesn’t tell everything that happens. We get to figure everything out for ourselves (even though the preliminary trailers and reviews tend to spoil things a little), and we we find is a story told much more different and more expressive than anything Pixar has done to date.

I might see this again, just because it’s so beautiful!

Wow, thanks alot Pixar. Thank you for making me fell totally guilty the next time I decide to order a milkshake. What kind of stuck up morality play was that? After a wonderful first act, all the fun and enjoyment went down the toilet to teach us all a lesson about corporations making us fat lazy blobs. I’m glad you were so subtle about it. Sheesh…doesnt anyone remember a time when cartoons werent saddled with blatant moral themes? Or they at least managed to say something without getting in your face over it? The second half of this film is just awful and degrading. How exactly are overweight people supposed to react to this? Honestly, I felt kind of depressed and hurt after leaving this movie. It just becomes totally didactic. I miss the days when cartoons were actually fun without beating you senseless with some kind of moral. Now it seems like every animated film I’m just waiting for the filmmakers to spell out the “message” for me. I’m not saying these films should be mindless entertainment, but God, sometimes its like school. Is this really what you guys went into the cartoon business for?

Presto was amazing. The kind of amazing that makes me feel ashamed to even call myself a filmmaker.

I loved Wall-E as well. In retrospect, yeah there are a few things that I missed, but it is what it is and I really enjoyed it.

Matt maybe our kids have less patience here on the east coast. (Baltimore), but no one said awwwww, there was no applause, and to top it off 6 people walked out of the screening at about the 30 minute mark. A first for a Pixar film that I’ve seen ! Like I said earlier. I personally liked the film alot, but I’m an animator and an illustrator, not an 8 year old kid.

This film was wonderful to watch, not just for it’s stunning visuals, but because it was fun, exciting, and sweet.

Wall-E has flaws - they didn’t make The Perfect Movie. Noone ever will. Admit it. That’s reality. But they did make a lovely, well crafted piece of science fiction which seemed to come from the heart, despite the very obvious IMPORTANT MESSAGE spelled in all capital letters. And the film was funny, for the most part, while also being gentle and kind to both the characters and audience, which lately - in a time when snide sarcasm and cruelty are about 95 % of comedy - was so refreshing. And a lack of over the top violence AND a lack of long winded, boring dialogue in a science fiction film? Thank you, Pixar.

I saw it with my wife and child, and while our son slept through it, we both enjoyed it very much. I’m sure he would have enjoyed it as well, if it hadn’t happened to be showing very close to nap time. I don’t see why people think this movie is inappropriate for children.

A few questions I overheard kids asking during/after - “Why is the world dirty?” “Why was everyone fat?” “Where’s Wally?”

Just a minor note: There were two 2001 references in the music track, Blue Danube and Also Sprach Zarathustra. I forget just what was going on during the Danube, but it was on the Axiom, may have been during one of the scenes on the captain’s bridge. They played Zarathustra when the bloated humans were finally waking up from their slumbers.

Presto was loads of fun, it probably is my new favourite Pixar short.

Wall-E was pure genius. It had amazing backgrounds and effects and loveable characters. I think I even wish there’d be no talking at all; I love the part before the humans came in.

I think my only reserve is the live-action for scenes happening in the past (the musical was fine, for some reason). I find it a very strange stylistic choice, and while I do understand why they chose to do it that way, I still think it was out of place, overracted, and useless since we know Pixar can make good-looking humans nowadays.

Presto is better than Wall-e. I would have liked to see 80 min of Presto and 4 min of Wall-e. Presto is so much more fun.

It’s hard to believe that so many people are praising Wall-e. Sure it looks good, but Pixar movies always look good. It’s usually the story that sets them apart. The kids I saw in the theater were bored, very few laughs at all. The jokes were the ones we saw in the trailer. For the first 20 min I don’t think they knew what was going on. There’s no dialogue- and relating to robots is hard to do. I think this isn’t Pixar’s finest hour at all. There are holes in the story and a doom and gloom message about overconsumption that by mid-movie you are tired of hearing about. And enough already with the 2001 homage. We got it. I would love to hear Jerry Beck’s review for an expert opinion.

Loved both films — surprised because the trailers for WallE sure didn’t instill any desire in me to see it. never been so glad to be wrong.

My only comment would be one of confusion:

why would a movie showing the demise of a planet due to over-consumption and billions of tons of garbage — be handing out disposable wristwatches wrapped in plastic and containing little paper stickers?

I’m thinking the decision was first made that it wouldn’t work to recreate the “Hello, Dolly!” scenes with computer animation; it was powerful to see those real, flesh and blood actors representing “the past”. And so the choice was made to have a live action Fred Willard as a “transitional link” between the real humans seen in the “Dolly” clips and the animated obese humans of the film’s present.

The NYTimes has an interactive piece which has Andrew Stanton breaking down a sequence from the film. Watch it. He says, “It is tough to define the idea of effects because the entire movie is an effect.” He’s right.

Pixar has laid out such a wealth of riches - how can I comment? The worst moment in the worst Pixar movie surpasses the best offered by the competition.

Not only do they have the artistry, but the story telling is top notch. The attention to the tiniest details (example: the evolution of the art styles in the Wall♠E end credits) — these are Pixar’s “throwaways” - that would be showcased in lesser productions.

I was delighted, wowed and amazed.

Old Fogey, thanks. I am surprised too at the criticisms aimed at the second half - most of them over not pursuing a darker ending or motivating the captain, or explaining every little thing.

Bambi didn’t have to end with Bambi strapped over the hood of a car to send kids home thinking about whether or not hunting was cruel. And Wall•E doesn’t need to beat us over the head either. While enjoying the film, kids will absorb a suggestion that endless comsumption has repurcussions and corporations may not have their best interests at heart.

I’d also say the captain is motivated; Stanton shows us how, once their personal screens are shut down, people are fascinated by the real world; we then are shown in a series of cuts that the captain has been watching the earth vids. Reason enough for me.

Also loved all the in jokes; Macintalk getting a screen credit as the vilain. Is Stanton biting the Jobs that feeds him? Eve sure has an apple, ipod design style; Wall•E makes the mac startup chime, and the villain is an 80s mac voice program.

LOVED it. and i am NO fan of cute robots, especially cute robot love stories. Rememeber Hearbeeps??!!

WALL-E is Pixar’s most original and experiemental film to date. Though, there is actually MORE dialogue than they let on in their promotion for it- the captain and the other talking characters get a lot of screen time. The film was cute without being overly sentimental. The ending gets a bit preachy- moreso than I had come to expect from Pixar- but I guess the clearer the moral, the better.

And Presto. The audience barely had time to breathe before looking at the next gag. Though, I had wished there was more variety in the way the rabbit outsmarted the magician (they were all basically reaching through a hat and grabbing something somewhere else), but it makes that simple I guess.

Presto was great in every respect. The animation was goofy, reminiscent of many looney tunes shorts.

Now Wall.E.

Wall.E would’ve been perfect had it not been a whole lot of Apple commercials. The ipod? (after 700 years, oh, look honey, they have an ipod, and it’s the oldschool one, they must be really good, let’s get one KAPOW!) and the Mac chimes that walle does when he powers up. All that stuff really ticked me off.

Was I the only one who thought that it was ironic, given the movie’s morals?

That said, Wall.E was awesome. It was amazing. It blew me away with cinematography, soundtrack, editing, colors, texturing and lighting. Concepts were brilliant. It was just a superbly done tip top movie. And if I can get the bluray in a few months and edit out the iPod commercial and change the stupid mac chimes to something less commercial-whorey, I’ll be stoked.

I know Steve Jobs is funding Pixar a alot, but COME ON! Is the guy that daft? Does he have that little vision?

Oh brother. Jobs hasn’t “funded” Pixar for quite some time. 1995, I believe, since it went public.

And it’s far better than a fart joke.

Read my review here:

http://classicparamountcartoons.blogspot.com/2008/06/off-topic-wall-e-review.html

I saw a matinee with my girls aged 2 and 3. They were bored. I thought the first half was amazing — Oscar written all over it. I’m glad people are comparing it to films of its own genre like 2001 instead of Cars. (I’m sure Brad Bird is too.) In fact, it took an occasional A113, or a Bob McCrae reference to remind me I was watching animation, which is a real achievement. I agree mostly with Ben Z and Jim M above. I don’t try to let the details ruin a movie for me, but some of the emotional weight evaporates in the final half.

I like Mark Thornton’s comment about the freebie watch. Yes, this movie is full of ironies. It takes gentle stabs at our need to be catered to, our obesity and our herd mentality, which I applaud, but its premise beaks down, mostly because the film doesn’t admit to what’s driving much of our consumerism —our need to be constantly entertained.

Unlike every person praising this film, the people on the Axiom never crave information or entertainment. they just want to be in fashion (whether red or blue) and to relax. The aren’t exposed to the everyday trappings that are part of our culture. They suffer a loss of humanity. WallE on the other hand unearths all of our folderol from landfill (musical videos, Rubik’s Cube) and gains his humanity through it, later to give it back to people aboard the Axiom. It sort of links consumerism with our loss of humanity, but presents it as the key to restoring it, which is puzzling.

I also think it’s funny that the Axiom returns to a barely recovered Earth with its retro rockets blazing and begins the cleanup. If emissions are truly the bane of earth, the ship would have instantly crippled it a second time. It’s as if a vehicle can have no bad emissions if it’s carrying well-intentioned green-minded people. Sort of reminded me of Al Gore pretending his mansion doesn’t have a carbon footprint because he’s Al Gore.

To put it simply, Presto and Wall-E exceeded my expectations. I remember hearing some opinions about how Wall-E might fail due to the lack of dialog, but I believe that the pantomime only made the film better. Such strong motion and expression in the animation conveyed every feeling of the moment, and the occasional dialog between characters only made it stronger.

great film-making, great first 40mins of film, terible last 40mins of film.

i go to church to get preaching and go to the movies to get entertained, NOT the other way around.

did Al Gore direct this movie? im getting sick of the GREEN propaganda. just stop already.

great filmmaking, but an “An Inconvenient LIE”.

Just be clear, when I said Wall-E isn’t for kids under 7 it was because the film is to frightening, for little one not because they’d get board. It’s not Texas Chainsaw Massacre, there’s just a lot of things that explode and stuff.

I’ve never seen my daughter so frightened of a film, and keep in mind we’ve shown all 3 Pirate of the Caribbean movies to her and she loves them.

C’mon, just because it’s a movie about a FICTIONAL polluted future doesn’t make it a propaganda piece. I have my own complaints about the hoax that is global warming ( in my opinion) and i didn’t read any of that in WALL-E. I think it was just a story device.

I saw Wall-E yesterday: I don’t plan on seeing it again - I got the message in one showing.

If Jeffery Katzenberg worked at Pixar, this is the type of movie he’d produce … Pixar’s very own Pocahontas. Not content with producing mere entertainment, Pixar Corporation is all grown up now and makes “important” movies. Oscar-worthy movies. Movies with a message.

The problem with the film is there is a visible fault line runs right through the middle of the movie. We realize that the audience is the victim of a shell game: The charming concept of a “small, lonely robot on an empty plant” was used only as a set-up piece for the big movie behind it. The movie with an important message: “Fat, lazy, self-absorbed Americans and their out of control corporations are killing the planet”. The French loved Ratatouille, but they are going to go *wild* over this film.

My reaction was a little more like a stifled yawn. “America is killing Mother Earth … again”. Like I haven’t heard that one a million times in the last 40 years. What a lazy piece of story telling! How many beers at the Hidden City Cafe did it take to dream *this* one up?

There’s no doubt that Wall-E himself is as charming and entertaining as any character Pixar has created, which is no small complement considering the vast number of appealing characters and vignettes they’ve come up with over the years, and the fact he expresses himself in mime.

However, Wall-E the robot has to play against a disturbing background that undercuts him: A dead and discarded world makes for a bleak backdrop for the first half of the movie. The chorus line of bloated, slug-like Americans behind him may be an accurate prediction, perhaps even a timely warning but this is the wrong forum and the message for the Pixar Corporation to be preaching.

It is also slightly tone-deaf for one major American Corporate Conglomerate (Disney/ABC/Pixar) to be preaching to another sprawling Corporate Entity (Wal*Mart) about the evils of American corporate excess, when at the root of it, they are alike as two peas in a pod. One just has better image management.

Taken as a whole the movie reminds me of the “important” segment Disney did a few years ago where Winnie the Pooh talks to children about genital fondling and child molestation. Yes, its needs to be addressed, but not coming from Winnie the Pooh.

I have no doubt this will be a popular movie but there were other ways to tell the story without its obvious contempt. Director Andrew Stanton was well aware that many in the audience would see his message as a polemic, and has thrown in a few fig leaves in the story to hide behind and deflect criticism.

However, his instant defense of the movie points out that he knew parts of Wall-E weren’t going to go down well and that the criticism didn’t matter. According to Stanton, I didn’t see what I saw, I saw only my interpretation of what I saw. Exactly Andy, it’s called art, and there’s no guarantee I’m going to like it.

Families came in good faith came to see a summertime family flick and got a preachy infomercial about the environment, exercise, and Wal*Mart: And the message was more important than any possible hurt feelings.

And now a private message for the director (so you all shut your eyes and no peeking):

Andy: You can have contempt for your audiences’ sensibilities if you want. They’re just red state nut jobs anyway (Nice zinger with “Stay the Course” BTW. That took nads.)

It’s your right as an American and prerogative as a film maker to say what you want. Sneer at what you want. Preach what you want. You can make a lot of money that way. Michael Moore does just fine.

But please leave Pixar the next time you get the itch to do another “message” film.

I have seen Wall-e twice and even the second time I felt as if I was watching it for the first time. It was candy for my eyes. The attention to detail both in the foreground and background was amazing. I thought that the use of “Hello Dolly!” was well-fitting, even though I don’t think it would have made a difference had it been any other love song.

I agree with those that questioned the use of live action. I found myself thinking why the future was computer animated as opposed to the past. What caused this change in form/style? Maybe this question is irrelevant to the story.

Had it not been for the genius behind sound, the character’s emotions and actions would not have been as believable (esp. the robots).

Although Wall-e makes the mac chime when he’s powered up, I can’t help but look at him as reminiscent to a PC (Eve’s design obviously being Mac-esque). Maybe it is true, opposites do attract!

Why do certain people get so mad about a film with an eco-message?

Do you like waste? Do you like pollution? Do you like disease?

Who the hell is pro-filth? Why is being green and resourceful “PROPAGANDA”? I mean…really, I wish one of the cliche angry rightwingers would explain why being clean and responsible makes them so angry.

Anyway - Wall-E and Presto were both fantastic. I haven’t laughed and enjoyed myself that much in a while. I do think the Live-Action Fred Willard thing was weird though…took me out of the movie a bit. …aside from that, it’s ace.

I enjoyed it, but I’m bummed that there was no short for the ASIFA screening.

to Bill Sauder,
AMEN. that was what i wanted to say in lesser words.

Nipplenuts McCurk SAID:
“Why do certain people get so mad about a film with an eco-message?
Do you like waste? Do you like pollution? Do you like disease?Who the hell is pro-filth? Why is being green and resourceful “PROPAGANDA”? I mean…really, I wish one of the cliche angry rightwingers would explain why being clean and responsible makes them so angry.”

i dont want to get off topic but ill try and answer your questions.
ill try and explain why people(not only “rightwingers”) don’t like propaganda feed down their throat. Ill also tell you why you don’t have to be an “angry right-winger” to not like the old bait and switch trick. I went to see a fun entertaining film, not GREEN propaganda. ESPECIALLY from a company that probably makes (Disney corp) 90% of that trash you saw wall-e cleaning up. HYPOCRASY! How much money and many toys, napkins, clothes, drinks, food, and merchandise altogether will Disney make from this film? and what % of it will be sold at wall-mart???! is that very green? How much oil and energy will Disney use up to make all that CRAP we don’t need???
No one likes to be preached at at gun point. Especially from a hypocrite. I bought my ticket to go see a fun film with great characters (which is what it was up until wall-e left earth). Id say the movie left entertainment as well and flew right into green propaganda at that point.

First, you DON’T have to be a right winger to smell crap. All you need is a good nose. Do I like waste? pollution? disease? NO, of course not. My family grew up on a farm and were self-sustainable and self-sufficient. We owned over 20 acres of land, had crops to feed an army, animals you name it.
You wanna meet a REAL tree-huger? go talk to a farmer who plants, nurtures and takes REAL CARE of the earth. Not these fake “green” propaganda yuppies that don’t know the first thing about how to save the earth. All they know is that Hollywood and al gore think its cool so they buy into it and don’t have a freaking clue what they are buying into. But hey its trendy right? Its cool, so it must be right.

I don’t want to hear a thing from green yuppies about the earth, plants, and energy until they have planted their own crop. And I especially don’t want to hear it from a hypocritical company that’s responsible for making a good % of that junk polluting the earth to begin with. They wouldn’t know what green is if it hit them in the face.

Anyway, that might sound harsher than I meant but im just tired of agendas being force feed down my throat when all I wanted was to watch a good movie. I got that for the first 40mins, then my eyes started bleeding.

Hope that answers your question.
>oVi

to sum that up, being “green” and respnsible doesnt make anyone angery.

being preached at against our will to be green from Gluttoness hypocrites does make people angry.

it would be like going to a pixar film and all of a sudden the characters start talking about SINS and how people souldnt do this or that. sure it might be good advice, but no one wants it against their will and especially from a hypocrite.

anyway, to each his own.

WALL-E’s future looked bleak and horrendous. Just like Tomorrowland at Disneyland.
I feel in the next couple of weeks there may be some critical fallout from this film by certain groups that feel insulted by some of the content. I thought it was a great social commentary wrapped in a G rated kids film.

Brenton said: I enjoyed it, but I’m bummed that there was no short for the ASIFA screening.

Yeah, wasn’t that a bummer! No Presto! Dang!

However, you have to balance it with the sheer fan appeal of it being a screening at Disney. And walking out from the theatre and seeing the original Disney Animation building…wow. Even my buddy Jim Smith was impressed. And he’s a jaded pro.

Ovi - see, you just got more angry again….how is the movie propaganda? It’s simply a story, using a polluted deserted earth as it’s backdrop. All this nonsense about hypocrisy ….c’mon. There’s absolutely nothing preachy about Wall-E.

But hey - if it makes a kid want to plant a seed or clean up their mess - is this something to get angry about?

Take a chill pill, please. We’re talking about a Disney film for pete’s sake. And I don’t understand what’s wrong with having a corporation espouse an environmentally conscious attitude, unless they’re the ones doing the actual environmental devastation (e.g. a car company deriding oil consumption).

Re: Bill Saunders: Why would someone who grew up on a farm deride a film that idealizes your childhood and derides the destruction of all the things you claim to hold near and dear? Just because we haven’t experienced a childhood like yours doesn’t make us “phonies,” or tree huggers.

All I know is that I enjoyed WALL-E tremendously.

I also saw the ASIFA screening at Disney’s today. It didn’t bother me that there was no “Presto” short nor “Bolt” preview with the print they showed. I wanted to see the main event without such tonal distractions. Those who were mystified by the live action snippets in “Wall E” puzzle me. The bits played fine. There were tons of filters over the footage itself and it worked. As for the argument that live action humans of the past did not resemble the CGI blobs of the future, did anyone note the clear visual devolution of the species in the Captain’s portrait gallery of those who preceded him? Many points in “Wall E” are made once and not bludgeoned home, which respects the audience. A beautifully written and directed picture that raises the bar of pure filmmaking. And Thomas Newman’s score was brilliant, as was Ben Burtt’s sound design.

“(Nice zinger with “Stay the Course” BTW. That took nads.)”
Yep. Totally lame that. It gets on my last tit when preachy Hollywood types write strawman roles for typecast idiots, villains, psychos, or whatever in a medium (film) that is naturally bereft of evidence and argument for the sole purpose of spoonfeeding an intellectually dishonest position to the masses through the backdoor of their emotions. Here we have a typecast buffoon standing at a podium..there’s the flag..the seals..okay..he’s saying to “stay the course”,where have I seen this before… and I will be rewarded with “getting it” if I can only make some horribly flawed inferences. Well, Mom, Dad and Teacher never taught me how to use my God-given nut, so, Yay! I did it! Now my emotions are satisfied and I enjoy the illusion of having thought something through. I’ll be a Frenchman in no time! Meanwhile, just forget that the Captain, Wall-E and Eve all “stay the course” but I guess that’s okay because the course can keep changing when the directive ultimately comes from within.
Oh well. I liked the cute robots.

I hope none of you think that I’m “blaspheming” here, but Uncle Wayne and I just saw the film a few hours ago and to say that we were dissapointed is a gross understatement. We both laughed out loud at “Presto” but our hopes were dashed a few minutes into the feature. True, the animation was exceptional, but neither of us found the characters appealing in the least. So intense was our dis-interest I found myself eating my milk duds in rhythm with Uncle Waynes’ snoring (no joke, he was sound asleep!). I also saw at least three or four children begging their parents to leave. Granted, this is just my opinion, and thousands, nay , millions may disagree with me, but I wish that our coin toss would have been directed towards Kung Fu Panda at the IMAX.

I had super high hopes for wall*e after seeing a bunch of material at wondercon, long snippets of the film that i don’t believe were available on the internet even now. That convention completely changed my mind about the film that I was not excited about at all when i saw the teaser trailer for last year. In fact, I’ve seen a lot of people wonder about if the film will be any good because the commercials and trailers don’t seem interesting.

So I finally saw it on opening day, and afterwards I thought “that was okay”. I felt it didn’t live up to my expectations, perhaps only about 80% or so. I still felt like the Incredibles was my favorite CG movie of all time. But as I got home I couldn’t get the film off my mind. I started thinking about the message behind the movie. I started thinking about parts of the movie. The more I thought about it the more it settled in that the movie really did live up to my expectations. It was kind of a delayed reaction, I guess. Then I really wanted to watch it again. I decided I’d buy the DVD when it came out, which is pretty major because I never buy DVDs unless I seriously love a movie. And then I started reading people’s interpretations of the film and that got even more excited.

I am now going to attempt to watch the film again in the theater, which is unheard of for me. I am an incredible scrooge and I don’t particularly like wasting my time watching movies. Seriously, the movie is that good and I think if I see it again I will see more that I didn’t before. I honestly can’t get it off my mind, I really have to go back and see it once more. I almost cried at the end of it.

The one thing I’ve noticed a lot on imdb are posts by people who think the movie has a ‘liberal’ political agenda. This is incredibly ridiculous, because the messages behind the movie aren’t political, they are universal concerns held by everyone. Politicians put spins on the issues presented in wall*e and make them political, but the cores of the issues themselves are global and morally sound regardless of political position. Anyone who thinks this is a political movie is seriously narrow-minded and outright silly.

In defense of “Idiocracy” I’d just like to point out that it had a VERY amusing IQ graph at the beginning. Best IQ graph in cinema history.

Whatever. I see the “green” theme of Wall-E as just a premise on which to hang the main idea, robots in love, rather than the robots in love story being a sneaky way to brainwash all you gullible movie goers into recycling your soda cans and having positive thoughts about energy saving lightbulbs. It’s about as worrisome to me as the premise of “Planet of the Apes”. It’s not a piece of prophecy on which you should base any future plans.

Some of these commenters need a nap, I think.

I just saw it, and I think Ben Z’s comment was right on. It was a very good film, but (upon reflection–I was gushing when I got out) the movie could have used more fleshing out once they got to the space ship (the asylum bots, Wall:E’s affect on people, the captain) only because it the action got a little too big by the end.
Still, I think it’s the best picture pixar has done yet, and one of the best I’ve seen in a long time.

Ovi,

You’re a super talented guy, and I’ve always admired your work from afar — but I genuinely don’t understand why you’re upset.

Every film — well, every meaningful, good film, every film that sticks with you and keeps you thinking and means more to your life than just two wasted hours eating popcorn — has a “message”, a point, a purpose, something a little bit meaty to chew on.

The Incredibles taught us that sometimes it’s OK to special — that it might not be great to underachieve just to fit in.

Ratatouille taught us that not everyone can be a great artist (gasp!), but great art can come from anywhere.

Finding Nemo taught us that sometimes you need to “let go” and let your child be a child.

Wall-E taught us that Earth is an amazing, rare resource that we’re incredibly lucky to have, that human potential is infinite and should never be squandered, and that love endures.

That’s all.

All of these ideas are equally bold, and all of them are thought-provoking.

My question for you: why does Wall-E’s thesis upset you so much more than any of the others?

I think you need to look inside yourself and try to discover where this strong reaction is really coming from. I don’t think it’s entirely from Wall-E. Maybe, you might have opinions about life that differ from what you often hear in the world, and you’re (somewhat understandably) over-sensitive to certain “messages”. But to project this over-sensitivity onto Wall-E is really unfair. I recommend you watch it again. You’ll be surprised to see just how little “preaching” exists — and how pure the message truly is.

I say: thank god Pixar makes movies that make us think — as well as move us, entertain us, and enchant us.

PS: If you’re just lookin’ for a good time, did you catch that hot hot trailer for Beverly Hills Chihuahua? Mark your calendar! ;)

Wall E was a fun, nice and easy going no danger at all, happy happy movie. Not a bad movie, its everything one should expect from any movie but nothing spectacular that you’d expect from Pixar. I wonder what the movie would have been like had Pixar not sold out to Disney ,grabbed life by the horns and lived instead of just survived.

And I’d like say something about Presto but for some reason they didn’t show us Presto at the Asifa Screening today, so Pbbbbhhhhht!! :P

Wow, I never got a sense that this movie was “preachy” or “hypocritical” in any way - it’s a story of the triumph of individualism and the power of the human spirit, given the right soil to germinate in. Even though it sues the tropes of a preachy, apocalyptic sci fi movie like “Silent Running”, in the end it turns the downbeat assessment of humanity in a movie like that completely on its head — given the choice, the humans and machines in the movie want to do good, want to challenge themselves and help each other, and the entirety of humanity makes a bold, unprecedented choice to make a gigantic leap of faith and give up all of their security and a standard of living that has made their lives an unthinking blur devoid of wonder and imagination.

WALL*E was a singular robot, unique among his kind, that was somehow able over hundreds of years to develop a personality that is infectious and contagious, so much so that only seeing him for a few moments causes machines and people alike to suddenly break centuries of programming and start acting autonomously and spontaneously. The Autopilot is his exact opposite, a powerful machine desperate to force stability and order based on its powerful programming for “the common good” — it thinks it’s doing what’s best for everyone by forcing them to exist in a safe, monotonous stasis devoid of risk, forever.

The genius scene on the Axiom has the secretary-bot, one of many pointlessy-tasked machines performing the same typing behavior it has likely always known, noticing WALL*E’s friendly wave, a quick gesture that acknowledges it as an individual which in turn inspires the secretary-bot to suddenly become aware of its own ability to use its extremeties to try doing something unprogrammed and unscripted — it waves back. Later, it waves enthusiastically as WALL*E and the “broken robots” escape — if you pay attention, WALL*E has this effect on virtually everything and everyone he encounters.

The sprouting seed and the flame and the single musical representing all that remains of human culture are the same symbol as WALL*E himself - hope to break the cycle and dream up a better tomorrow, or to set out into uncharted territory with no idea what happens next.

i loved wall-e and presto. both were animated so well in a visual language. i didn’t enjoy the second half as much as the first, but it didn’t ruin it for me. i didn’t feel it was preachy, and i felt it is pixar’s best film. to each their own i guess. i felt that there was some real artistry behind the film, not just graphically, but just how the characters move. it was a good gutsy first half and the second still left me feeling happy. i don’t want to pick it apart much more becau