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NOV. 12th in LA: A Tribute To Bill Kopp

We all remember Ren and Stimpy, but where is the love for Disney’s The Shnookums and Meat Funny Cartoon Show?

The American Cinematheque at the Egyptian Theatre in Hollywood will remedy this situation when it holds Kopptoberfest: A Tribute To Bill Kopp on Saturday night November 12th. It’s a fund raiser for the Cinematheque, with Kopp in person and numerous clips from his work including episodes of Eek! The Cat, Toonsylvania, his violent retelling of the Three Little Pigs from Tales From The Crypt, Roger Rabbit in Roller Coaster Rabbit, as well as scenes from his live action features and Oscar-winning student films. Prior to the screening, hand-painted animation cells will be sold, with all proceeds going to the American Cinematheque.

Voice actors Brad Garrett, Tom Kenny, Jess Harnell, animator Jeff DeGrandis and producer Margaret Loesch will join Kopp on stage in a panel discussion. It’s FREE admission (with suggested donation of $10.) and starts at 7:30pm at The Egyptian Theatre, 6712 Hollywood Boulevard in Hollywood, CA. For more information, click here. For a refresher on Shookums and Meat, see video below:

  • Clint H.

    I never grew up with REN & STIMPY (didn’t get Nickelodeon as a kid), but I did grow up on this when it briefly ran on the Family Channel. I’ve actually seen some of Kopp’s work, including some animated segments in the comedy film ONE CRAZY SUMMER, saw some episodes of EEK! THE CAT and I love ROLLER COASTER RABBIT with a passion. If I lived in Hollywood, I’d definately go to Kopptoberfest.

  • Snagglepuss

    This guy was a weirdly huge influence on me, and I never even knew his name! Long overdue this recognition is! (Damn. I miss Toonsylvania too!)

  • Morgan

    And don’t forget Kopp’s involvement in the early Simpsons shorts and Mad Jack the Pirate!

  • Rufus

    Wait, so this is one of those that imitated John K. for a living?

    • Funkybat

      A lot of cartoonists “imitated John K.” in the mid-90s, it was so widespread as to make use of that as an epithet meaningless. Ren & Stimpy was a major influence, for good and bad. As far as this topic goes, I can think of a several “John K.-inspired” cartoons that were a lot less enjoyable than Shnookums & Meat.

    • I think many, many imitated Mr. K for a living… between the dark shadows. Remember the Title sequence for “Honey I shrunk the Kids”?

      • Chris Sobieniak

        And that was 1989 right there (prior to Ren & Stimpy). I don’t necessarily think of John K. when I think of Bill Kopp myself, and that’s probably because I had an early introduction to his work thanks to “One Crazy Summer” and the great animated bits in that film.

  • I think I saw this on the Disney Channel when I was a kid. Also, I had no idea Brad Garrett was part of the show.

  • Um, er, actually Bill Kopp did not direct the released version of “Roller Coaster Rabbit”. I animated on that short at the Disney Florida studio, and, although Bill started to direct on it, he was, shall we say, relieved of command. Rob Minkoff, who directed “Tummy Trouble”, then started the whole project over again and directed his version of the short. Bill worked on the storyboard for the short, along with many other storyfolks, so he was involved, but did not really direct the cartoon in it’s final form.

    • I heard an account of that directorial change-I think it was Andreas talking about it. But, nobody ever said who that director was. I bet there’s an even better story beneath the surface. Care to share more???

  • James Mason

    Glad to hear of some recognition of the talented Bill Kopp. EEK! The Cat would be the series I’d imagine was his creative peak and most everlasting.

    Shnookums and Meat Funny Cartoon Show is not one of his most remembered, but it at least had more original creativity than usual Golden Era imitators of the time.

    Oddly, this cartoon’s first 30 seconds definitely tries its hand at some Ren & Stimpy takes, though wisely abandons them once the cartoon gets rolling. Also, the voice acting is very strange in the posted cartoon

  • Funkybat

    Glad to see Bill Kopp get some recognition, I am still longing for a legit DVD release of Eek! the Cat!

    A little surprised this post lead off with the “Shnookums & Meat” can rather than something Eek! related. Eek! is the most brilliant thing Bill Kopp did in animation, and it’s a shame that it has been more or less buried for the past decade or so. Shnookums & Meat was OK, though I feel like the “Pith Possum” segment was probably the strongest part of the show. It was a weird time at Disney TV Animation, and I felt like the show would have probably been better had it not been under the banner of Disney but allowed to be even more wild and odd than Eek! was.

    Anyway, wish I could go to the event. I’m curious as to what Bill is up to in regards to future projects, I’ve missed his unique art & comedy style!

    • I preferred “Tex Tinstar.” Jeff Bennett made that segment, with the proto-Johnny Bravo voice, though Brad Garrett made for an effective counterpart in Wrongo.

      As for Eek!, I hear you. I’ve long wanted to see it on Teletoon Retro in Canada. Nelvana did service work for the series, and Nelvana is owned by Teletoon part-owner Corus. It wouldn’t be outlandish for Eek! to be rerun in Canada. Instead, the channel’s cycling through episodes of My Pet Monster and Care Bears, both of which were exhausted after 1988. Eek!‘s actually held up over time.

      • Tex was my favorite part of the show. I finally found a really bad (taped off the TV with a camera) copy of one on YouTube, and it was so good to see it. Pith Possum was also pure entertainment. Shnookums & Meat had one pretty funny cartoon (think “Increase Your Brain Power!”), but mostly did little for me.

        Now, Eek! the Cat, on the other hand… that was golden. Not until Invader Zim was there a world so hostile, with everything having exposed sharp edges and no guard rails, and Eek was the most cheerful and unjustifiably optimistic character to come along until Butters Stotch. I could go on, but here comes my attendant with a sedative.

  • “the voice acting is very strange in the posted cartoon”
    Tell me about it. Why does one of the burglars have a female voice? Fantastic cartoon though.

  • I’ve never seen this cartoon before, it looks a little more conservative than Ren and Stimpy, but still more cartoony than other shows and definitely more cartoony than I’ve ever seen disney. Will have to track down more!

  • Randy

    I absolutely HATE the staging and extremes in the animation in this cartoon. Also I agree with another poster on here…….the voice “acting” in this short does not work well….too 1930’s radio and over the top.
    This might hold some nostalgic value for some of you, but it’s just a mess, animation wise. It’s like a cartoon that moves from extreme pose to extreme pose with little in between.

  • Eek! the Cat is one of my favorite cartoons, S&M not so much, it felt like fake John K with its forced wackiness although that new Tex Avery show was even worse.

  • Ted Murphy III

    Bill Kopp also directs his own voice recordings and contributes occasional voices to his cartoons, a rarity in show runners of his generation. The reason that “Scnnookums and Meat” resembles Ren and Stimpy in design style is that Disney TV Animation at that time was dying to rip off whatever was hot and done elsewhere. Bill Kopp could have made the show in any style but was probably told to mimic that of R&S. Not long after that, Disney TV Animation hired some former Nick show creators to ape the Nick house style in several shows, such as “Recess”. Innovators? No. Well-funded ambulance chasers, yes. Things are different today at Disney TV, in that the company doesn’t actively rip off other studios’ popular styles with such a vengeance, because the management team to blame for that larceny is long departed.

    • Funkybat

      Funny how hard Disney TV was trying to emulate those (I’ll diplomatically call them “sedate”) Nick shows with series like Doug and Recess. That, combined with the mess that was Bonkers, was when I started to drift away from Disney TV. Gargoyles and Aladdin kept my interest, but the younger-targeted shows of that era just didn’t have the visual grandeur and storytelling of the early Disney Afternoon series.

      I kept hoping they would do another show along the lines of Tale Spin, something that evoked adventure and another time/world. Instead, we got 90s kids going to school and hanging out in the neighborhood. I guess those cartoons’ heirs are the live-action tween TV shows that seem to have eaten up The Disney Channel. Me? I’ll keep working to create something less grounded in the mundane. If you don’t like what the entertainment industry is offering, I suppose it’s up to you to make the show or film *you* want to see!

    • Vzk

      What did “Recess” ape from?

  • Boy…. this is what TV animation lacks these days. Good jokes and comedic timing!!

    Nice short!! :)

  • I triple dog dare you to open that can and eat what’s inside.

    • Despite the label, it contains no meat.

      No. Meat.

  • HUlk

    I’d rather see a thousand Ren and Stimpy imitations on TV than all the bad Simpsons ripoffs they have now.

    • Steve K.

      I thought they were all Family Guy rip-offs.

  • Looking at the bottom of that can kinda makes me shudder. All that rust and to think there’s food in there??

    Anyway, I didn’t see much of this toon. Never even heard of it til I stumbled on a clip on YouTube years back. Goes to show how much attention the show got (with as many cartoons I watched when I was little)! It’s pretty cool from what I’ve seen. This post has made me want to look into some more of his work.

  • anonymous

    I used love these cartoons as a kid, S&M got toned down for the better along the way and started becoming its own show. They also played pit possom in between the S&M cartoons, which was one of my highlights. But no arguments on the fact than ren and stimpy was at the root of it all and did it better. Crtitisize all you want but these shows are waaayyy better than the crap that’s on tv right now. The only limitations these artists had was the ones they would set for themselves… and the budgets and deadlines, of course but that goes without saying. The digitial medium will never bring back this type of cartoony stuff. On saturday morning I had to start picking and choosing which shows I’d watch cause there were so many good playing at the same time.

  • Mahesh

    I remember watching the show and having that pasta as a kid. It had the giant disclaimer saying “There is NO MEAT in this product” and I wondered whose bright idea it was to market a food product out of this show!

  • Al jordan

    The disclaimer on the can reminded me of the scene in the 1945 Merrie Melodies short “Behind The Meatball” when poor Fido discovers that his ration for the day contained no such ingredient.
    Also, this probably shouldn’t really deserve a mention, but Bill Kopp also had frequent supporting voice roles on the Sabrina The Teenage Witch cartoon series, particularly as Tim The Witch Smeller. Coincidentally, this DiC-produced series started running after the studios flawed derivative Tex Avery Show ended. And I’m surprised (or maybe I shouldn’t be) no one mentioned Kopp’s current work at the moment, the “Twisted Whiskers” series on The Hub, which imo did have at least a couple of really good things going for it, though it is running out of steam by now.

    • Speaking of Hub, Bill Kopp is also one of the directors on “Dan Vs.” So he’s still around in animation today.

  • beth

    Yes he is still around and doing well in his field.