“Frozen” Talkback

Frozen, Disney’s 53rd animated feature, directed by Chris Buck and Jennifer Lee, opened in the United States this week. The Rotten Tomatoes critics’ score currently stands at 84%, which trails Tangled’s 89%. The film is bolstered by a 91% Rotten Tomatoes audience rating which is higher than Tangled’s audience rating of 87%.

Critics have been kind to the movie, but in a backhanded way. Stephen Holden in the New York Times called the film’s characters unconventional, but he apparently didn’t think the same of the plot because he gave away Frozen’s plot twist in the first paragraph of his review. Holden went on to say that the story lacked “the purity and elemental power of a classic myth like Beauty and the Beast,” and that the film, “for all its innovations, is not fundamentally revolutionary. Its animated characters are the same familiar, blank-faced, big-eyed storybook figures.”

Peter Travers in Rolling Stone also damned the film with faint praise:

In a year of weak animated features, Frozen – loosely based on “The Snow Queen” – takes the lead by default. There’s not much flair in the story of princess sisters Anna and Elsa, divided by Elsa’s uncontrollable ability to turn things, even Anna, to ice. But the animation is pretty, the songs are tuneful, and Josh Gad gets big laughs as Olaf, a snowman with a sun fetish. It’s the holidays, people, work with it.

Now it’s time for the Internet’s most knowledgeable animation community to share their thoughts. After you see Frozen, report back here with your thoughts in the comments below. As always, this talkback is reserved for readers who have seen the film and wish to comment on it. General comments about the film, or commentary from those who have not seen the movie, will be deleted.

(Frozen billboard via Daily Billboard)


  • MQuitney

    I thought it was enjoyable, but nowhere near perfect. The songs, other than Let it Go, were fluffy and forgettable. The story is even more basic than Brave’s, and all character growth is essentially “Oh, love is how I fix everything”. But in a world where “The Nut Job” exists, I liked it. And it did have “Get a Horse” attached, so that was a big plus.

  • Pedro Nakama

    Saw it at an advanced screening. Good movie. Good music. I don’t know why they are selling it as a comedy when it’s a musical but in my opinion marketing for animated films has always been second string marketing.

    Not that impressed with the “Get a Horse” short. I thought it was going to be a homage to rubber hose animation and instead it turned out to be a “Last Action Hero” “Purple Rose of Cairo” style short that had me wondering how it was put together more than what it was all about.

  • Tim

    I was disappointed. “Wreck-It Ralph” was fantastic in my opinion, great emotional highs and lows, and from what I understand, Jennifer Lee was the writer who put that emotional architecture in place. So I had high hopes for “Frozen,” but surprisingly its main faults were in its emotional structure.

    From the perspective of Elsa, this story is about Older Sibling Guilt. As an older sibling, I totally get this — it’s a really powerful well to draw from to fuel a feature. Older sibling hurts younger sibling in a lasting way, and the guilt haunts older sibling long after younger sibling has forgotten about it. This emotion explains why Elsa is so hard on herself, locking herself away, and why she can barely stand to look at Anna. The trouble is, the event that triggers this vicious cycle doesn’t work: Elsa blasts Anna with ice, and the only permanent “injury” is that Anna gets a white streak in her hair, which is really not that bad, and is frankly pretty badass. We need something more like Nemo’s gimpy fin; imagine if Elsa had frozen Anna’s pinky finger off! Now Elsa has a real cause for overwhelming sibling guilt. Meanwhile, Anna feels insecure about her missing pinky, and misinterprets Elsa’s inability to deal with it as a sign that her disfigurement is repulsing her own sister.

    This is just an idea, but at least it seems clear that some *actual* injury at the beginning is necessary for the alienation between the sisters to work on a visceral level. As is, we see it happening, but don’t really feel it. And this means that the ending doesn’t provide any emotional catharsis. There hasn’t been any real pain between the sisters, so their reconciliation is expected and doesn’t feel like a change, even though we understand intellectually that it’s supposed to be.

    I could go on and on (talked for an hour about it afterward with a friend). The only other gripe I have to mention here is, at the end of “Let It Go,” was anyone else bothered by Elsa’s transformation into a fashion toy? As she walked toward the camera, her hips looked like a freakin’ Newton’s Cradle! I felt like I was watching “Barbie, the Movie.”

  • Max C.

    I attended a special screening of this film a few days before its US release and two weeks before its UK release. I found it to delight me more than any other major animated release this year (though Wolf Children is the best animated film I got the chance to see). It and the “Get a Horse” continue to show that Disney themselves are doing even better than Pixar has been in the last few years, and it was all in need of much better marketing. It wasn’t the snowman comedy or romantic comedy it disguised itself as. It may not be 2D anymore but it did make me happy.

    Only minor problem, though? The unnessecary gross-out jokes in the dialogue, which I can blame John Lasseter on considering he seems to have suggested it in most of the films he’s produced the same few years DreamWorks, the creators of Shrek, mostly haven’t.

  • Kyle

    All my animation friends hyped me up big time for this movie. I was sort of expecting a masterpiece when I walked into the theater, which probably isn’t fair. It was merely a good movie with some catchy music and stunning animation, of course. But I never laughed out loud or shed a single tear like I have with many of Disney’s other films (like “Tangled”, for example.)

  • William Bradford

    I thought the leads were strong and well rounded: and the premise in itself made some very nice story choices. But the songs, the comedy relief characters and a lot of other odd choices cluttered and fuddle up the story and bogged it down; something made more tragic by the fact that lots of the REALLY cool ideas feel like they weren’t used to best advantage because they didn’t have as much time as they could’ve. And they were far too heavy handed with some of the base ideas , some unusual for a Disney Princess film and others routine, that it rather spoils them. Pretty of course: but it’s almost not worth mentioning because EVERYONE in the studios can do pretty now.

    The short was great! A part of me wishes that the big “twist” in it hadn’t happened (can’t say anything without spoiling it), as it could be taken two very different ways by an audience, especially animators. Favorite part: all the dialogue was taken from old Mickey mouse cartoons! I’m a bit embarrassed that I didn’t clue into this till the credit roll: seeing as Pete sounded like BIlly Bletcher rather then Jim Cummings :).

  • T

    Amid…always negative towards Disney. Instead of writing about the few “backhanded” reviews, and swaying the argument, why not balance it with one of the 100′s of positive reviews stating that “Frozen” is in the league of “Beauty and the Beast” and “The Lion King”. Why don’t you try being a good moderator and not have a bias opinion in the above paragraph.

    Frozen is a great film, I came out of it feeling like I had just re-lived my childhood in the 90′s. It reminded me why I love Disney so much, and why I decided to be an animator. Sure, it’s your typical Princess film, but the journey is fun, sometimes unpredictable and Disney’s most beautiful CG film to date, which is a great step in the right direction. The art direction is unlike any I’ve seen in a CG film, the environments were gorgeous and the effects were a joy to watch. Overall, it was a fantastic theater experience and I’m looking forward to what Disney does next. At this point Disney seems to have the most interesting films in the pipe, and doing the best short films (“Get a Horse” was unbelievably charming)!

    • Taco

      T, Amid Amidi is not part of the Disney Marketing team, and as owner of this site is entitled to write how he wishes. On top of that, I don’t think he has said anything utterly unfair in regards to what he highlighted… sometimes light criticism can be a far greater kindness & show more endearment than simply being all smiles. But you can take it as you will.

      “Criticism may not be agreeable, but it
      is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body.
      It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Sir Winston Churchill

    • AmidAmidi

      Always negative towards Disney? You mean like the post where I talked about things I liked in “Tangled”? (http://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/five-things-i-liked-about-tangled-32556.html)

      Or do you mean a few months ago when I called the new Mickey Mouse shorts “easily one of the best revivals of a classic cartoon character that I’ve seen”?
      http://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/disney-is-producing-new-mickey-mouse-shorts-and-premiered-the-first-one-today-79117.html

      If it’s true (and it is), there’s nothing wrong with pointing out that many reviews have been tempered and not outright adulatory. Kind of like how you began your thoughts by saying, “Sure, it’s your typical Princess film…”

  • http://www.roadtrip62.com/ Donald Dale Milne

    Fun movie all around. Of course, Olaf was a blast. What really made it interesting for me was the fact that the lead male character was not the typical bumbler of too many recent movies, and the double plot twist near the end. Animation-wise, the ice designs, including the way they grew, created a great backdrop.

  • Izbit

    NOTE – Whoops, I wrote everything below thinking that only folks who had already seen the film would read this…..but afterwards, remembered that might not be the case. PLEASE don’t read below if you haven’t seen the film, as there are spoilers. I apologize!

    Overall, I enjoyed the film and I would recommend that folks go see it. But it pales in comparison to Tangled….which got a lot of things right in my book. It seemed to me that Frozen was attempting to repeat a lot of the things that Tangled did right, but completely missed the mark.

    I want to say first that one pleasant surprise for me was Olaf – I went into the film (thanks to the trailers) fearing that he was going to be obnoxious on the level of JarJar Binks. While I wasn’t especially enamored with him, he did fit into the story a lot better than I expected and I didn’t find him obnoxious at all.

    I feel the story suffered from trying to cram waaaaaaay too much information into the span of an hour and a half film. Especially the first twenty minutes or so when they’re introducing the princesses, their relationship, explaining Elsa’s magic, and the world they live in. Usually I can forgive and easily gloss over minor plot holes, but in those first twenty minutes my mind kept going, “wait, what…?” So what exactly happened to Anna when Elsa struck her with her magic? And when Elsa moved into a new room, was that just….where she stayed the whole time?! Did she NEVER leave the room? Was she spending all of those years before the coronation trying (and failing) to control her magic? Had Anna not seen Elsa again at all until her coronation? How did the parents explain that to Anna? Who on earth was running the castle/kingdom after the parents died, but in the three years before Elsa’s coronation? Why couldn’t they (whoever “they” were) be put in charge when Anna runs off to get Elsa, instead of Hans? Also, man, they sure rushed through the parents’ demise….that could have been presented a bit more clearly, or at least with more breathing room, I think.

    I realize that all of the above points are pretty minor by themselves and really not relevant to the story, but for me these minor things started piling up and made it more difficult to maintain my suspension of disbelief.

    And while I did enjoy the whole development between Kristoff and Anna, after it was all said and done it felt like a complete retread of the whole Flynn/Rapunzel development and I walked away from the film wishing for less of the Kristoff/Anna storyline and more of the Elsa/Anna storyline. I’m glad that the ending bit was at least about the sisters and not the romantic interest(s).

    Honestly, I wanted more Elsa. More of her using her powers and her conflicting feelings about it. The “Let It Go” sequence was my favorite moment in the film.

    Some more comments on the music – first off, I have to admit that I am a big fan of musicals and seeing musical numbers in animated films like this, so I’m a bit biased and actually enjoyed how much singing there was in the film. I was excited every time they moved into a new musical number. But a lot of the songs fell flat and were pretty mediocre to me, whereas I thought pretty much every song in Tangled was strong, well-written, and well-choreographed. “Let It Go” and “Do You Want to Build a Snowman?” were my two favorite musical sequences in Frozen that were both very well done….the rest of the musical numbers were not very memorable.

    A final thing that I didn’t care for – Hans’ reveal. I liked the entire premise of Hans and his motivation, etc. etc. but ugh…..I’m really tired of the cartoony, “Ta-daaaa I’m the bad guy! And now I’m going to be a totally cliche asshole all of the time and gloat and stupidly leave you here to die on your own instead of making sure the job is done myself!” I’m sure this whole bit was a victim of, again, cramming way too many plot points and characters into the span of an hour and a half, but yeah….I wish this had been handled differently.

    I certainly still enjoyed the film, despite me listing grievances here. But it just didn’t wow me the way Tangled did – I saw Tangled three times in the theaters; Frozen, I’m good with just one viewing.

  • James VanDam

    Good movie overall. Loved the characters and the nontraditional disney twists the story took. But I think it had to many songs. They were well composed songs but I feel like they didn’t give the audiences enough time to breath between them.

  • http://www.moviecappa.com/ Mike Caracappa

    (SPOILER WARNING)

    For the most part, I was pretty bored. I want to comment on the songs in particular, which bothered me. It felt like each song played with equal weight. There was no variety to each song, compared to a film like THE LITTLE MERMAID, where each song was different and unique. The other problem I had with the songs was that very few of them actually advanced the story. Olaf’s sunshine song was probably the most entertaining, but the Troll song in particular brings the story to a grinding halt to talk about a romance between the two characters that plays almost no role in the story except to try and throw us off with the climax scene with the “true love’s kiss”.

    (MAJOR SPOILER WARNING…DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU DON’T WANT THE SURPRISE RUINED)
    The other thing that bothered me, and this is becoming a trend with animated films lately, and that’s this thing with revealing the “surprise villain” in the third act. It made no sense to me that Hans should be a villain, except that it was out of convenience to get Anna to suddenly fall in love and go with Kristoff instead. And really, why is it not trendy anymore to just have a villain in a movie from start to finish? Elsa would have made a perfect villain. And why not? Shouldn’t she have Mommy and Daddy issues for locking her away, never letting her communicate with her sister? Never letting her see the light of the outside world? She should be pissed off at them! But her parents conveniently die off, so there’s no one for her to take her rage out on. She has much more serious issues then she really acts out in story. What’s wrong with actually making her a villain and then letting her find redemption at the end? Btw, in the climax after Anna freezes and Hans strikes her with the sword, did anyone else notice that Hans just suddenly disappeared in the scene after that? I think I missed something, but he was just suddenly gone after that.

    END SPOILER WARNING

    I saw this in a theater with kids and adults. For the most part, there was hardly any reaction or laughter going on, except for maybe when Olaf showed up (which took a while). I was pretty disappointed overall. I also thought the GET A HORSE! short at the beginning was a major disappointment. It wasn’t funny. It felt like they couldn’t just allow themselves to make an old fashioned black and white Mickey Mouse cartoon, and they had to resort to using color and CG as a gimmick. Whatever story it started off with gets lost by the end. The audience I was with didn’t laugh once.

    • Cheese

      *SPOILER ALERT*

      Not to mention three errors.

      1. Why didn’t Elsa use her other hand that has the GLOVE on instead of her bare hand which revealed her icy powers?

      2. If the trolls knew about an act of true love that would thaw a frozen heart and maybe overcome fear, why didn’t they tell that to Elsa as well instead of just saying that her power will grow? Also, provide training Elsa to overcome fear with love? Maybe then, Elsa and Anna would live happily ever after with love, and no problems at all.

      3. Why didn’t Elsa freeze Prince Hans by grasping his wrist of his hand holding his sword ready to decapitate her, after she too hears the cling of his sword along with Anna?

      This proves that the story for Disney’s “Frozen” did not provide enough details. It only provided emotions between Elsa and Anna, and the songs are mostly showy except one and a half, such as “For the First Time since Forever (one),” and “Let It Go (half).”

      In other words, you’re right. In fact, I remembered the time I went to AMC to see that movie last Tuesday night, it’s only me and two other people, which makes three but that’s only late night. I’m sure there were plenty of people at night before late night. But when I went the second time (this time with my nephew and niece), they and the audience loved it. As for me, I’m with you on that one. Everytime I look at Elsa who used her bare hand instead of her other hand with her GLOVE on, I was like “She should’ve used her other hand, unless she was “Under Pressure (Hit it David Bowie and Queen!).” She got herself on thin “Ice, Ice, Baby (Hit it Vanilla Ice!).”

    • Natalie

      Actually, I think they chose the best possible villain for the film! I actually got kind of upset when I heard that Elsa was initially supposed to be the antagonist. Her inner conflict is intriguing and seldom found in Disney movies–she’s actually my new favorite Disney character ever (and I consider myself a very staunch Disney purist, so that’s saying something!) She was taught to suppress all emotion and lived with the constant fear that she would hurt the person she loved most–her sister, Anna. As an older sister myself, I loved how Disney explored their (at first, broken) sisterly relationship, because they VERY rarely delve into the realm of complex, but positive, female-female relationships (not saying NEVER, just RARELY). True, she could’ve been redeemed at the end, but I think they developed a much better character by showing that she was never evil–therefore, Anna’s unwavering faith in her sister wasn’t unfounded.

      Pure speculation here, but Frozen would’ve been infinitely more conventional if Elsa had become the villain, and I don’t think I would have enjoyed it nearly as much. In my opinion, they did a fantastic job with defying most of the relations that are typical of the rest of their movies; in fact, they did a fantastic job with defying all expectations, period (the less-than-stellar advertising made me wary to go and see it). To me (a 17-year-old girl), it was so refreshing to have a story based on two sisters who love each other fiercely instead of a princess who gets swept off her feet!

      Also, I’ve seen Frozen twice; both audiences were filled with giggling kids (yet you could hear a pin drop right after the “twist” was revealed), and the second audience started applauding at the end! I don’t think you can accurately gauge a movie’s popularity by ONE audience’s reaction. And as for the short, it was meant to synthesize tradition and innovation–to show that while Disney may be departing from old animation techniques, they’ll stay grounded in their history. Whether or not they were successful is a matter of opinion (I’m personally still ambivalent about it), but at least they’re trying!

      • Cheese

        I saw the movie twice too. I saw it in 3D at the advance screening, and the second time in traditional 2D as an early Christmas present from me to my nephew and niece. They loved the movie very much.

  • Power_Animator

    I LOOOOOVED IT!!. The animation was oh so great, believable!! I could do without the singing, but thts no bearing on the animation. Im in Love with this Movie. I could feel the shock on Anna’s face after she realises shes been deceived. The story wasnt much like a Disney Story which was refreshing; Frozen was a bit darker and THATS GREAT, reminds me of their early days!!

  • Brill 93

    The Princess and The Frog Frozen and Tangled defiantly has more of a comedic tone to the stories in which they tell. There aren’t much comparable to the Disney fairy tale stories of the 20th century but I feel that Frozen is more of a break away of a princess finds her prince, or girl finds her prince kind of thing. It really focused on the importance of relying and seek help from others. I think Tangled and The Princess and The Frog had more of a classic fairy tale feel to it, but Frozen is truly contemporary.

  • Crazy Eyes

    The movie was good and wonderful for what it was. In my opinion though, they will have to go beyond what was done in the 90′s. It’s not a formula that will always works when people go back to it. People were coming in droves to beauty and the beast, aladdin, and lion king because those movies were offering something to cinema that really we had not seen before. We had never seen a beast that organic and articulate before. We had never seen magic genies so animated and carpet rides so dangerous, let alone a carpet with that much personality and flare, or a story about a lion cub and his father with a message deeper than “follow your dreams”. Disney will have to realize in order to bring back those droves bigger and better than before, they really have their work cut out for them….because they have to take on the live action competition with vigor. They will have to find deeper and more raw acting moments, they will have to put a cinematic touch to their films like lucas, spielberg, or kubric. They will have to find something in the story that only animation can really do and push it so far that it makes live action films weak at their knees. They just need to find that hook for the audience and for themselves. Take a look at the competition, and see what you can do better in animation. I see films like Inception with that crazy battle in the hotel hallway, and i think…what if we saw that in a disney animated film first? call crazy, but just think. that kind of thinking needs to be that simple

    i think it would have made a mark in the audience’s minds had disney done something of that caliber in an animated film if done first, and anything after it would copy cats, animated or live action otherwise. It’s thinking outside the box. I just think Disney should be more aware of what cinema is doing. I don’t mind they do a princess story. But do it with some cinematic panash!! Really give us some visuals and acting moments that will shock and surprise us.

  • Hankenshift

    I enjoyed Frozen, but not as much as Tangled. The songs were AWFUL all the way through, contributing neither to advancing a character or plot point–but rather restating (in a charmless, tuneless way) what we already know. They stop the film in it’s tracks repeatedly. The film would be much better without them. The animation is stellar, and the art direction by David Wormesly and Mike Giamo are beautiful. The story moves along in an obvious way, with few surprises, but it’s a kids’ film, and it serves their attention span well.

  • Matt

    I saw last week, it was alright. Not bad but not a wow in my book. I did like the “do you want to build a snowman” song. What I find interesting though is that frozen felt like many of the musical hand drawn films from earlier years yet they killed off that art form cause supposedly audiences were tired of it. The decision to make this cg brought nothing to the table that could not of been achieved through traditional animation.

  • Cheese

    *SPOILER ALERT*

    Well, I got a chance to see Disney’s “Frozen” last Tuesday night, and I must say, it’s pretty cute, but the story did not provide enough details to the lesson(s) that can be learned between Elsa and Anna (except a little bit from Kristoff and Olaf). The only problem with the story is that it pays too much attention expressing emotions between Elsa and Anna, plus the characters show off with sing-a-longs and a few gags just to bring laughter and joy. However, the animation is overall tremendous and the 3D effects are amazing. And as for the songs, none of them kept on pace with the story. Most of the songs show off, except 1½ of the songs such as “For the First Time since Forever (1)” and “Let It Go (½).” Even though the movie does show some lessons to learn, but it was not descriptive enough to support the lessons.

    The story did not live up to its momentum. It only expressed emotions between two sisters Elsa and Anna. Plus, there are two slip ups. In the scene “The Party is Over, Close the Gates,” Elsa should’ve used her other hand with her GLOVE on, instead of her bare hand which revealed her icy powers. And the scene where the elder troll explained to Anna that the act of true love can defrost a frozen heart, the trolls could have told that to young Elsa before she became 18, and train her to overcome her fear with love instead of letting her power go (but then there would be no song “Let It Go”). Those slips up proves that the story pays too much attention to the emotions. When you look at the whole story, you can almost see a retelling of Disney and Pixar’s “Brave” based on character references, besides the story.

    Speaking of the betrayal of Prince Hans, there are twists in the story. What is twisted about the betrayal of Prince Hans is that prince charming was supposed to save the princess, but instead betrayed the princess for her kingdom. Another twist is Anna choosing between Kristoff, since they love each other, and her sister Elsa who was about to be killed by Prince Hans with his sword. She chose her sister since she truly loved her.

    The animation has a lot of snowflake effects, especially when you can see a floating snowflake in 3D. You can almost capture it and see it melt upon your hand, but noticed that it’s all 3D and not real. Disney is an expert on creating real 3D effects to make it look real. The icy power strongly reflected Elsa’s emotions, but did not comply with the story. But for the record, the animation on her icy powers was fascinating, especially for self defense against the Duke of Weselton’s bodyguards.

    The characters in the story truly kept on pace with the story, but sometimes show off from each of their point of views. Of course, there’s one character who truly supported Elsa and Anna, and that is Olaf the snowman. Despite his purpose to spend time with summer in his song “In Summer,” not only he gives warm hugs to people, but also gives hope to keep them going. Some minor characters, such as the Duke of Weselton and trader named Oaken, almost even the odds but provided small gags. The main antagonist, Prince Hans, brought the twist at the last half of the movie. He provided the climax for the story. The Abominable Marshmallow was Elsa’s snow guardian. The king and queen in the story were quite short, but did provide a bit of drama in the beginning. The trolls played an important role in the story since they help restore people from any kind of danger. But throughout, the trolls mostly helped Anna since she’s the only person who got help by the trolls (except Kristoff kind of raised by the trolls). The main characters in the story are Elsa, Anna, Kristoff, and Olaf. Elsa is almost the main protagonist in the story since she possessed the icy powers within her, but the real main protagonist was Anna since it is up to her to bring Elsa back to her kingdom and bring summer back as well. Kristoff, with his reindeer Sven, not only saved Anna from a pack of wolves after they left Oaken’s place, but more importantly brought her to the trolls after she got a frozen heart. Speaking of Sven, he reminds me of Maximus from Disney’s “Rapunzel (Tangled),” since it acts like a dog than an actual deer. Olaf is a supporter to Elsa and Anna. He helped Anna escape from the library to get to Kristoff and Elsa.

    When characters sing their songs, most of them show off, but Elsa and Anna provided an important song, “For the First Time since Forever,” and a bit of Elsa’s song, “Let It Go.” The song, “Do You Want to Build a Snowman,” almost stayed close to the story based on the age shift from young to adult on Elsa and Anna, but more on a relationship between sisters after Elsa was forced to conceal her icy spell from Anna’s sight after her accident when she was young. However, the last part of the song was a bit sad after their parents’ death at sea. Most songs are showing off.

    The movie does show lessons, such as love conquers fear, give more time to know each other before acceptance of marriage or other, and ALMOST controlling fear. If the trolls give Elsa training to control her fear (despite her icy powers growing), then she would succeed and overcome fear. But the movie didn’t quite provide enough details to represent the lessons that can be learned. They are only partial lessons just to keep the story going. Again, the story didn’t live up to its momentum. It strongly reflected Elsa and Anna’s emotions than providing details that represent their emotions. But for the record, it will be entertaining for children and their parents everywhere.

    Grade: C+

  • Ben Aron

    Check out my review here: http://youtu.be/oYwCDc7oxPQ

    • George_Cliff

      Three thoughts: 1) agree that ‘Get a Horse’ is great; 2) absolutely disagree with your ranking of these two films, Ralph was far better in just about every way; 3) this desultory video consumes bandwidth unnecessarily and adds nothing to the review.

  • Cheese

    *SPOILER ALERT*

    After I’ve watched Disney’s “Frozen” last Tuesday night, there are two errors.

    1. Why didn’t Elsa use her other hand with her GLOVE on instead of her bare hand which revealed her icy powers?

    2. If the trolls knew that an act of true love can defrost a frozen heart, and perhaps overcome fear, why didn’t they tell that to Elsa instead of Anna (except that she needs to learn about true love anyway)? Plus, provide training for Elsa to help her overcome her fears with love? Maybe then, Elsa and Anna would live happily ever after with love.

    The problem with the story is that it paid too much attention to the emotions than the story itself (I know Disney and Pixar’s “Monsters University” did). Plus, most of the songs are showing off, except one and a half. They are “For the First Time since Forever (one),” and “Let It Go (half).”

    Grade: C+

    P.S. Why didn’t Elsa notice Hans getting ready to decapitate her (based on the sword sound), and freeze him by grasping his wrist of his hand holding his sword?

    • Natalie

      You’re probably not looking for an actual answer, but I’ve heard a few people ask about the hand thing, so here’s my opinion… I think that if you’re getting agitated and nervous, you’re not paying close attention to much else, so when she made a simple hand gesture (saying no), she probably didn’t realize what she was about to do. I honestly think it was just a reflex. Plus, maybe it was her dominant hand, so she happened to use it naturally and subconsciously (I’m right handed and almost never use my left hand while talking). But I think I’m putting too much thought into that!

  • Lucky Jim

    It’s really good.

    I want to see it again before I give it a full critique so here are my initial thoughts.

    -Right off the bat, it’s gorgeous. Art Director Mike Giamo and Production Designer David Wormersley did an amazing job creating such great, lush environments. Some critics have said the look of the film and the animation have a hand-drawn sensibility and I’d agree.

    -The animation is fantastic. Lino DiSalvo and his incredible crew created some wonderfully realized animated acting and every joke or dramatic scene works because these characters really sell them.

    -There’s a lot of great, subtle thematic stuff to chew on. One thing I’m surprised hasn’t been talked about is the motif of the closed door. It’s an image that’s seen and spoken of multiple times. Even Elsa’s big triumphant number ends on a closed door, an excellent visual metaphor for her internal turmoil.

    -Without a doubt, it’s the best set of songs they’ve had in a Disney movie for a long time. There’s not a dud in the bunch and the highlights are as good as anything’s Disney’s ever done. My favorite is “Fixer Upper” is for no other reason than the lyrics are hilarious. Great tune too.

    -And I love that it’s ultimately a movie about sisterly love. For a movie on such a grand scale, the fact that it’s about such a personal relationship, is really, really cool.

    -Also, Anna is the best Disney princess ever.

  • JamScoBal

    The dialog needed some work and Christoff speaking for his reindeer was kind of weird. There were some moments that seemed to have gotton the last minute touch ups like the “That’s no blizzard, that’s my sister moment” is not in the movie. I am glad for them trying to tune things up for the movie to make it better, but it makes it feel that there will have to be a couple of deleted scenes to explain a few things in the movie. I thought it was a good movie, just not a great one.

    • 99594

      Kristoff speaking for his reindeer was to show that he literally has no friends or people skills whatsoever. He’s not supposed to be a “normal” guy anyway… he was raised by talking rocks for goodness sake. He’s hardened with an awkward personality, and not at all graceful.

  • Carolina

    Let me first state I am not in anyway an animator. I enjoy various animated movies but I am not knowledgeable in what many have learned as a major of animation etc. So I am basically an outsider looking in. This comment will have spoilers.

    Despite all the controversy surrounding Frozen I have to admit while the visuals were beautiful I really felt the story at most lacked. I enjoyed the story between the two sisters, and understand why Hans wanted to take advantage of Anna’s naiveness to get to the throne but at the same time I felt it was missing a certain something. That many things were placed for convenience sake.

    What I did like is that Disney is making fun of it’s own cliches. I liked the majority of the songs…Except that the troll one was kind of like Hunchback of Notre Dame’s “A Guy Like You.” and felt out of place. I remember a while back someone mentioned Disney was more focused on fabric movement than worrying about Anna and Elsa to not look like Rapunzel and I have to admit there are certainly a lot of detail to fabric movement in capes and skirts.

    In that aspect while I did enjoy this movie and can definitely see a more fleshed out version in a on stage and not on ice broadway musical, (it’s music certainly has that broadway musical feel), it could be something much more. BUT as far as the movie goes I wouldn’t see it again.

    Now let me get to the short. I found the short “Get a Horse” downright cringe worthy and mean spirited. While I did adore the mixture of color and elastic and goofy old style cartoon I felt the abuse Pete received went a little too far. Yeah he is a huge jerk and deserves a few punches and heavy things fallen on him for treating Minnie like that but dear lord. It’s like Disney tried it’s hand at old Looney Toons slapstick and just went crazy with it. I did appreciate the revolving screen/ flip book animation appeal at the middle of the short but jeeze……Was the old black and white shorts this mean spirited?

    • Steve

      Do yourself a favor and watch some late 20′s and early 30′s Mickey cartoons. Get a Horse’s physical violence is tame in comparison.

  • https://vimeo.com/channels/wharton Brett Wharton

    Pluses:
    - “Let It Go” – best Disney song in ages.
    - Cool character development on Elsa. That must have been a tricky character to crack.
    - Beautiful moment right at the end of the movie when she saves her sister. A neat twist that I didn’t see coming.
    - Olaf – the perfect Disney sidekick, imaginative, cute and pretty funny.
    - Gorgeous snow effects animation, especially while Elsa is creating her castle.

    Minuses:
    - It really bothered me that the singing voices didn’t seem to fit the character designs on the female leads, particularly Elsa. Maybe if the characters didn’t have such Barbie like figures, or if the singing had a little less diva quality, it would have matched better.
    - The bizarre reversal with the prince. I think it would have been more interesting if she had to choose between two good guys. But if they had to do the evil reveal, there should have been more foreshadowing.
    - Some awkward love scenes. I know they’re supposed to be awkward, but I really didn’t enjoy “Love Is an Open Door” or “Fixer Upper.” I wish her and Sven’s relationship had been more subtle. And maybe she could have known the prince before the story started in order to avoid the total weirdness of meeting and getting engaged in one night.
    - Did it bother anyone else the idea that Elsa was essentially in solitary confinement for most of her life? Another story point I wish could have been more subtle, but I guess it’s a fairy tale…
    - Did Hans just disappear in the last scene? Did I miss something?

    • Monster Fortynine

      Lol Sven is the reindeer. U mean Christoff :D

      • Pennyjpie

        “Kristoff”.

  • George Comerci

    I saw it yesterday as a first date with my girlfriend, and I have to say, I absolutely loved it. The animation was perfect. And I loved how well done Anna and Elsa were. Same goes with all the characters. They were all relatable and very well done. Much emotion in the movie, and I just loved it. All I can say is, it better win some Oscars! :D

    • Hulk

      Well if it made her your girlfriend after only your first date, then you should love it! :)

  • just1more

    FROZEN can only be described as an assault on the eyes and ears. I nearly walked out twice and I ended up doing so right after seeing how the ‘true love’ thing was going to work. The attempts there are to subvert the well-worn Disney tropes are admirable but lost in a mess of story shortcuts, garish art direction and needless “American Idol”-style belting. The animation seemed stiff and unnatural… strange for the company that equates itself with naturalistic animation.

    Every song felt Broadway ready, every character and setting looked like a toy, every action piece looked like a video game. Now that they’re attempting to do away with certain Disney story tropes, their next revelation will be to do away with the synergistic tropes that force the story into a thin framework for everything else they want to do with this property. Ugh.

    On the other hand GET A HORSE was imaginative and clever.

    • Power_Animator

      How could you say that the animation was “stiff and unnatural”? The animation was fluid and incorporated all the principles of animation. Its a stylized approach to movement. Brave was more naturalistic but not stylized.

      • just1more

        Everything was stiff and unnatural including the cliched expressions. Don’t know how else to describe it.

    • Steve

      Wait. When exactly did you walk out? If you walked out, then you missed how the true love thing was actually handled. You blew it, dude.

    • Natalie

      SPOILER

      Yeah, if you walked out thinking Kristoff (or Hans, but let’s be real, who really thought it was gonna be him) was going to be the “act of true love,” you missed the best part of the movie, because that wasn’t the love that saved her. The movie smacked conventional tropes in the face! You might want to try getting off your high horse and watching the whole thing.

  • Krypton Keeper

    I’ll just say this….thank GOD that snowman was charming. He could have been the next Jar Jar Binks if they screwed up.

  • canimal

    Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed myself while watching this movie. It was funny and cute and very pretty. It had a lot going for it. I would recommend it to anyone who wants to see a good holiday movie with the family. However…….. there are so many problems within the story that might each be minor by themselves but all together in one film it just turns in to unforgivably lazy and flat out bad writing. I could write a ten page essay just listing all the plot holes, unanswered questions, idiotic plot devices, contrived character development, and dropped story lines within this 108 minute film. Not to mention the nearly useless existence of characters like the trolls and the old guy. I’m very frustrated with this film because I want to love it so badly. I have been looking forward to it for a while and it very well could have been a great movie. I just don’t understand how the writers got so much wrong. I really don’t understand the comparisons to classic disney films or the people that are calling this “one of the greatest disney movies of all time”. Did we watch the same movie?

    • Dominic

      I do think that it’s one of the greatest Disney films ever made, but I agree with you about the story. There were MANY holes in it, but in the big picture I don’t think they really matter. Where elsa got her powers from, why kristoff was orphaned, and why the king locked Elsa away are good questions but not critical to understand the meaning of the story. Their biggest mistake was probably hinting at these ideas at all and making us think about them rather than just ignoring them (like how they never addressed these in beauty and the beast http://www.buzzfeed.com/donnad/questions-disney-forgot-to-answer-about-beauty-and-the-be)

      • Varg2000

        When dealing with such questions as those that you just brought up, one really has to pay more attention and really think deeper into the film to understand it, or realize it. And sometimes it has to be explained by someone who knows how to explain it. As far as I’m concerned, there are ZERO plot holes in this film. So, basically, these supposed “holes” doesn’t matter as they doesn’t exist.

        Elsa was born with her powers, as revealed in the beginning of the film, and that is appearantly a very rare thing, it’s the nature of magic. There is no other explanation, she was simply born with it. But like you said, in the bigger picture, this doesn’t really matter.

        Why Kristoff is an orphan is of course (at least as of now) unknown, but unless we hear an explanation from the creators or the writer (which I bet there is) I think we could use a little imagination to figure that out, but it wasn’t really an important or necessary detail, that has merely with a little curiousity to do. We don’t necessarily need to know every backstory of every character in the film, only the basics and the ones that are most important and crucial for the story.

        The king and queen locked Elsa away because they had misinterpreted what Pabbie the Troll had said. Pabbie said that Elsa’s magic is a beautiful thing, but can also be very dangerous. He didn’t say she shouldn’t use her powers or that she should hide it form everyone, but that’s how the king and queen interpreted Pabbie’s words. They thought that until she could control her powers, and not risk to hurt anyone like her sister, they should be kept hidden. So at the end of it, as far as I’m concerned, there are no actual mistakes or plot holes in this amazing film.

    • Varg2000

      First, I refer you to my comment below, and secondly, yes, we watched the same movie, but I don’t think you watched it the way it might have been supposed to, or the way the majority of the audience experienced it. This is a movie I would recommend to anyone, anywhere, anytime. This is not just a funny, cute and very pretty film, and it’s not just ONE of the greatest, it’s evidently THE greatest Disney-film of all time. But, if you are to realize this, you must first of all truly experience and understand the film to its fullest. Your mindset might have to develop and reach a “higher level of understanding” in order for you to think deeper into the film and truly ENJOY it to its fullest.

      Like I’ve stated in one of my earlier comments; as far as I’m concerned, I have found ZERO problems with this film. My suspicion is that you’re one of those who have misinterpreted/misunderstood certain parts of the film, things that might just turn out to not be any problems at all. If you wanna talk about “bad writing”, why not bring up “Abduction” and “Mega Shark Versus Giant Octopus” instead? Jennifer Lee (who not only wrote the film, but also co-directed it) is one of the most talented writers I’ve ever come across, and she certainly didn’t become director that fast because of “bad writing”. There’s nothing wrong in her script for Frozen, it’s a phenomenal and beautiful script. To call it “lazy” is just a pure insult to her great work.

      If there was something actually wrong with it, I don’t think the movie would be as well recieved as it currently is. Like I said, my bet is that you havent fully understood it yet. As it turns out, even I, who already loved and seemingly understood the film and its unexpected greatness the very first time I saw it, had missed a lot of great things about the film and discovered that any complaints some people had about the film were no more than misunderstandings. I now do understand what they wanted to achieve with this film and how they could do it, and I respect and understand the choices they made for the actual film.

      To be honest, I don’t really think you could write even a one or two page essay on that, I bet your essay would just be filled with questions and a desperate desire to know things that you just didn’t realize or fully understand the first or second time you watched the film. It’s all about your mindset, you need to think even deeper than you seem to have done here. Calm your mind, experience the movie, listen to the words of the makers of the film, and understand. Give it another chance. You’ll see me repeat certain statements in this comment, and that’s a kind of teaching, to help you understand.

      To my current knowledge, there are no plot holes or other such things which you state are present in the film. Please elaborate this opinion of yours so I can better understand your complaints. There are admittedly some unanswered questions in the film, but those that I know of are of no crucial significance to the story and are merely due to a little curiousity. Anyway, please elaborate so it doesn’t just seem like you’re exaggerating!

      All characters in the film have a certain significance to the story and are thus necessary, you just have to realize it and understand why. The Trolls are there as both a homage to the Scandinavian inspired world and as an urgent solution after Elsa having struck her sister with her magic. They are also part of the reason Anna met Kristoff (as the he is led to the Trolls in the beginning and they then adopt him), they also are the topic for a great dialogue between the two, and he then leads Anna to Pabbie the Troll and it is revealed that Anna’s heart is frozen and that only an act of true love can thaw her heart. They also have a funny little song which might seem unecessary at first sight, but it actually brings a good message and also makes it clear that Anna and Kristoff belongs together.

      I’m not sure which “old guy” you are refering to, is it the Duke of Weselton? In that case, I’ll have to tell you that he is a rather mysterious little fella who wants to exploit the treasures that the kingdom of Arendelle has to offer, and he brings a little villainous feeling to him (and steels your focus from Hans and his true intentions) and is also the one who helps to force Elsa to escape the kingdom and set other parts of the story in motion by chasing after her. pointing at her and calling her a “monster”, something that scares and upsets her, as if she wasn’t already full of fear and confusion. He’s also the one who commands his guards to go look for the queen and “put an end to this winter” that she brought over the land, and these guards and their actions was what drove Elsa to do what she did in her ice palace when they invaded the place.

      One can go on and on about why they are all necessary for making the film so unbelievably great and how they are all contributing in setting up feelings and “emotional environments” and bring the story forward in an exciting way.

      When I first saw the first trailer, I wasn’t thinking this film would be that great, but WOW, I was taken by surprise and realized how wrong my expectations really were. This film truly does bring the feeling that you’re watching one of those good old classic Disney-films from the 90′s and further back in time. It’s really great that they decided to make another amazing Disney-musical with such a captivating and magical story and lovable characters, after all these years. “Disney has returned home”.

      I can’t really put my finger on what it is that ultimately makes it so great/amazing/spectacular/incredible (can’t simply describe it with one single word), but it is definetely the greatest film and Disney-film I’ve ever seen, and that’s a title I don’t give to any film. This is the ONLY film that really brought tears in my eyes. This is the ONLY film of all the thousands that I’ve seen that I can without a doubt call the “best film ever made”, and I never expected such a film to ever exist, and I definetely did not expect it to be a Disney-princess movie. Wow, this was a lot of text, sorry if it’s a lot to read.

      • TheNamelessDoll .

        It’s funny how you ask people to explain their reasoning better before you a re willing to accept that maybe they may be right about some point, while you yourself keep using grand adjectives to explain why the movie was good. You even confess that you don’t really know why it’s so “great”, so is it really unbelievable if others can’t explain why they did not like it?

        I myself am a film student, with a special interest in animation and script writing and even though I enjoyed the movie, I can still admit that it is not perfect. There is nothing wrong liking a flawed film, but calling it a cinematic masterpiece when it’s filled with basic story telling flaws rubs me the wrong way.

        • Varg2000

          Well, I guess it’s my own personal experience (and a little hype included there), it might not always be easy to explain. Anyhow, whether you are a film-student or not doesn’t really matter seeing as it is your own personal experience/opinion that matters, and it should first and foremost matter to only you, if it happens to matter to anyone else is their own concern. I myself have loved film since childhood (but I mean, who hasn’t?) and I have seen many (how many thousands?) of films through my life and you learn a lot when it comes to film-making and making a great, enjoyable/educating and beloved film, especially by watching Frozen, I have found out. But don’t expect yourself to know better than anyone else.

          A movie should be made either or both by the purpose of entertainment and/or education, and in my personal experience Frozen greatly succeeds in this. I have never seen a movie that I could call “perfect” (“Perfection is achieved when there is nothing more to add, and nothing left to remove.” – Stated by wise person), I mean every movie has at least one flaw, it’s almost like a “natural law”, but I just cannot find any real flaw in Frozen, and I don’t know what supposed “flaws” you have experienced. And unless the flaws of a movie are noticeable or affects your experience of the film, they arent of any greater issue. Anyhow, we all have different and personal opinions/experiences, and that of course should be accepted and respected, even though we all still do mistakes.

          I have never seen a movie in my life that I could call the “greatest movie I’ve ever seen”, but Frozen just fits that title as perfectly as I consider the film itself to be perfect. Remember, this is my opinion, and there are no right or wrong opinions here. And, I’m not merely “liking a flawed film” (as you want to put it), no, certainly not. I’m LOVING a (as you said) cinematic masterpiece. Anyway, I guess what I’m trying to say here is that, I disagree.

          • TheNamelessDoll .

            I totally agree that a film experience is ultimately a subjective one and that the experience and the enjoyment of the film completely depends on the viewer.
            I’m actually happy for you for finally having found your personal favourite movie. I certainly have my own favourites that I would defend to the grave even though they may not be enjoyed my others. But I humbly disagree that this movie is “perfect” when generally speaking. And I’m not talking about personal opinions like that the “too many songs” or “they explained to little”, “Elsa should have been the main character” or any other criticism that goes under the radar of “opinion”. For me and many others (both fans and critics alike) it comes down to that Frozen is simply lacking in many storytelling/cinematic departments:
            1. There are too many themes scrambled into one too short of a movie.
            2. Hans’ character lack any kind of foreshadowing, setup or motivation.
            3. The solution to the problem in the ending (thawing the winter) is rushed, makes little sense and comes out of the left field (much like Hans’ “twist”).
            4. The movie’s female leads suffers of the-same-face-syndrome.
            5. There were several acts of true love before Anna’s sacrifice, but apparently they did not matter because the script said so.

            I could go on for a while and go even deeper into all the point, but I’m making myself depressed because I really wanted to adore this movie, I really did. I even saw it in the cinema a second time so that I could change my views on it, but alas. I’m just saying: from a film narrative point of view, there are many rules broken (and not in a good way).

            Men som sagt: UNDERBART att du hittat en film som du älskar. Jag försöker inte ens få dig på andra tankar, utan visar bara vad vissa av oss andra ser. Jag hoppas att mina framtida filmer får så hängiva fans som du är till Frozen. ^-^

      • bagman

        Why was Kristoff raised by trolls? You would probably say “because he was an orphan”, but that is incorrect.

        He was raised by trolls because he has to know about them when Anna gets her heart frozen. If he doesnt know about them, then the plot stops. Theres no inherent reason this character knows about magical trolls. He’s not Rafiki from “the Lion King” or Merlin or someone who studies magic. He’s just an ice hauler. How extraordinary is that the one person Anna runs into on the mountain is the one person who just happened to be adopted by the magical trolls?
        The film is filled with these terrible plot “coupons”. Stupid plot devices thrown in to move the “story” from one scene to the next. It reads as if it was written by a fifth grader in about 30 minutes.

        “Lets say Anna had her memory erased…then she wont look so bad when she pushes her sister into exposing her powers.”

        You get it?

        Dont even get me started on the ending. Elsa learns to control her powers through “love”? WHAT?!!!!! Compare this to the Beast turning back into a man. We know exactly what happened, who turned him into a beast, why she turned him into a beast (because he was vain), why the spell was lifted etc.

        “Frozen” was simply bad writing.

        • Lithia

          Even Toy Story 3 has some plot conveniences as far as I’m concerned. Several films do, I don’t know what the big deal is.

        • Anonymous

          Well, if Anna knew about Elsa’s powers, WHY WOULD SHE EXPOSE THEM? I was thinking that may have been to stop Anna from pushing Elsa into using her powers as a kid. It may have been stupid on the parents, but I seriously doubt they knew what they were doing. Also, we don’t know about the Beast’s transformation. It was said that he would turn back into a human. But when Belle confessed her love for him, the Beast turned back into a human AND came back to life. I may be wrong, but are these convenices?:

          Maurice just happens to choose the darker path when riding to the fair on his horse, Phillippe.

          Rapunzel was mentally abused, but acts like a carefree girl for the sake of the story. Isolation is abandoned when she meets Flynn Rider/Eugene, thugs, and people in the kingdom.

          Flynn Rider doesn’t really have a good reason to be nice to Rapunzel when they especially when they are about to drown in the cave. However, for the sake of making the two bond, he is suddenly nice to her and reveals his real name. His traits flop back and forth to me.

          An arrow with a rope tied to the end is accidentally shot by Yao just happens to end up near Mulan, Shang, Mushu, Cri-Kee, and Khan.

          Convences are nothing new in Disney films to me.

          Here’s some in Toy Story 3:

          Andy’s toys (minus Woody) are in the plastic garbage bag and place near the attic door. As soon as Andy leaves, the attic door just happens to close and Andy appears and believes the bag of toys to be trash.

          Woody and Buzz Lightyear are trying to move the box with the other toys inside, but move to the other side of the box, just before Andy’s mom can close the trunk door without seeing them.

          Mrs. Potato Head just happened to leave her eye in Andy’s room so she can see what is going on in the house.

  • Aaron R.R.R. Nance

    Tried to see this one on Friday however all of the family friendly showtimes were sold out by noon. My family and I finally got to see it this morning and we all really enjoyed it. I loved the art direction and the FX were stellar (if you’re into FX animation and haven’t seen the disney video discussing their snow simulations, I highly recommend checking it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H1gRQ6S7gg).

    Again as with ‘Tangled’ Disney did an amazing job on the clothing. In ‘Tangled’ Gothel’s velvet dress blew me away. The fabric and clothing design were absolutely phenomenal. ‘Frozen’ more than one-ups Tangled’s clothing across the board.

    As for my family, my wife and daughter both loved the story and characters. The story was nothing particularly original but it was definitely enjoyable. If there was one weak spot as far as I’m concerned it would probably be the music. Most of the songs were clunky and brought me out of the movie. Probably just me personally though as I’ve never really felt that characters singing enhanced the cinematic experience..

    All-in-all though this movie was absolutely worth the cost of admission. I can’t honestly say that we enjoyed it more than ‘Tangled’ or ‘Wreck it Ralph’ but it certainly earns its place right alongside those fantastic modern classics. For anyone still on the fence about this one, my family and I highly recommend climbing down off and heading for the theater.

    Happy Holidays all!

    • OtherDan

      super cool!

  • Aaron R.R.R. Nance

    “Get a Horse’ was a fantastic celebration of Disney past and preset.

    • Funkybat

      I have mixed feeling both about Frozen and Get a Horse. As far as Get a Horse goes, it was very well done animation-wise, but the pacing felt way too frenetic somehow. The timing was different on the original Mickey shorts, even though they were pretty action-packed. I think it was the number of characters on screen at once, having to have business for 3-6 characters all at one time for much of the short made it feel harried instead of just slapstick and silly. I also suspect that it’s a matter of “modern tastes” which seem to drive animation toward increasingly fast pacing, I appreciate having some beats in between so I can absorb and better appreciate the gags.

  • tedzey71

    I wrote a full review that should be up on the site, “The Agony Booth” soon.

    Simply put, I enjoyed it; though probably not as much as “Tangled.” It’s hard to tell, because I felt most of the characters, story, and songs were great. Elsa was my favorite character. I wish we spent more time with her as opposed to Anna… I wasn’t crazy about her. Olaf managed to be a great comic relief despite my assumption that he would be generic and uninteresting. My biggest problem was that certain moments felt like they were walking the motions, taking bits and pieces of the best disney movies in hopes that it would pay off. Sometimes it does, but others it feels over-calculated. I will say that this is one of the times where Disney adapts a relatively dark source material that manages to balance between light and downright depressing. I really can’t say the same for “The Black Cauldron” or “The Hunchback of Notre Dame,” but that’s just my opinion.

    I wasn’t crazy about “Get a Horse.” More or less ambivalent. It was great to see a Mickey Mouse short modeled after the Ub Iwerks animations on a large screen. However when they opted to include the computer animation, It felt like it turned into a cut-away sequence in “Epic Mickey.” I will say that hearing old recordings of Will Bletcher and Walt Disney again was fun, and the fact that Horace Horse-collar was wearing a “Captain America” shirt was both bizarre and amazing (i’m a marvel fanboy, so i’m biased).

  • canimal

    Er, yes it does matter? Because like I said, I liked the movie but I didn’t love it. What could have been a great movie is only an ok one because of distractingly bad writing.

    • Varg2000

      Story and plot holes matters, yes, but I didn’t notice any plotholes, and niether do I agree on your statement of “distractingly bad writing”, so I don’t fully understand your complaints. This is more than a great movie, this is (I’ve said this a bunch of times by now) an incredible emotional epic journey from beginning til’ end. I can’t understand what there is to complain about really, it has an amazing and fascinating story with well-developed characters to care about, mind-blowing music that sets the tone of the scene and theme, and amazing animations and environments.

      Personally, I’ve never enjoyed a movie as much as I did with Frozen, and anything that I would complain about always turns out to be merely a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the film. This film was incredibly well thought-out and the great work by all the creators of the film is understood, respected and much appreciated.

      But the thing is movies are subjective, we all have different opinions and preferences. Though I just think it’s sad that you couldn’t enjoy or experience the film to it’s fullest (practically the way it was supposed to) like others did. If you’d want an advice, when you watch this film, try to think a little deeper, think different. There’s actually much more to it than first meets the eye.

      • Just An Inquisitive Nobody

        Plot Hole 1- Why did the townfolk fear Elsa? do they have a history with sorcery? if so why didn’t her parent’s lock everything up after Elsa’s birth?
        2 What’s Kristoff’s background, how did no-one realise that he had wandered-off/leaf behind? Why did no-one assist him with the ice?
        3 How did Anna seriously not have any people to talk to? there were servants there surely there would have been somebody? a teacher at least ’cause that girl knew nothing about the outside world, she wanders through the snow wearing a cloak, no gloves, no scarf.
        Problem- Anna falls in love with a guy she just meet not a few hours ago, and Elsa and Kristoff say “you can’t fall in love with a guy you just meet”, then she goes and does the same thing with another guy she only meet 24hrs ago?
        oh how about the weird plot twist at the end? The best story writing is when there is build up tension. It’s why the best horror movies spend to long showing the killer watching his soon to be victim. But Hans evil twist comes out of nowhere. It would have been so much better if they had shown him in a light that would have cast suspicion on him.
        Oh of the best moments I’ve ever had in a movie was watching Brave when the triplets spot the “Bear cake.” Every single one of the little kids simultaneously “oh no”-ed the entire scene out loud. They loved it. That scene boosted the tension and made the movie so much better. Kids also love villains, my favourite as a kid was Ursula, so the fact that Disney didn’t spend time setting Hans up at the villain is disappointing to me.
        There are more plot holes then just these ones, but seriously the writing for this was seriously mediocre. Full of unnecessary characters (Olaf, and seriously wasted opportunity, could have had Olaf showing Elsa how to control her powers, anyone else notice that they didn’t act up when she was having fun?)

        • Cascade-Wvera

          Seriously? The towns folks’ queen just shot icicles out of her bare hands. They hadn’t ever seen anything like that before and she almost killed three visitors. Honestly, who wouldn’t be afraid?

          Anna was lonely because she didn’t have her sister. She most likely had servants, but her sister was her best friend. I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t be the same talking to servants.

          Also, Anna was criticized by Elsa and Kristoff for getting ENGAGED to a man after one day. By the films end, she and Kristoff became a couple but did NOT get married or even engaged. They were starting their relatonship.

          • bagman

            Why was Kristoff raised by trolls? Im sure you answer was “because he was an orphan” but thats incorrect. He was raised by trolls because he has to know about the trolls when anna gets her heart frozen. If he doesnt, the plot stops. Just one example of the terrible writing in this film.

          • CascadeWvera

            You talkin’ to me? I didn’t say that.

          • Anonymous

            Why Kristoff was raised by the trolls? Well, basically what Wvera mentioned, and he does play a vital role in the film. Just adds to his backstory. See? It’s good to shed some light on his character.

  • Joey

    I was really unsure about this one, beforehand it seemed like it borrowed too much from Tangled, the departure from the original seemed like a red flag, and I was sure Olaf was pasted-in comedy relief. Saw it this afternoon and was pleasantly surprised.

    Anna and Elsa seemed completely generic in the marketing but in the story felt like real individuals. Anna quickly grew on me during her first scenes and songs and Elsa’s transformation was refreshing — I was totally expecting her to be up on the mountain brooding and flipping Arrendale a big middle icicle. I think Rapunzel was a more compelling lead, but the princesses and Kristoff were all slightly quirky and believable.

    I love that Olaf was actually meaningful to the characters rather than just comic relief. Great way to pull off a typical talking Disney sidekick. (BY the way, is the Kristoff/Sven bit implying all the other talking sidekicks were just delusions of the other princesses?)

    On the negatives, I think there were detours that were good on their own but didn’t seem integrated into the story. Instead of just 2 magic snow creatures, it seems like there could have been more snowmen, snow beasts, etc. Was not expecting the trolls and they were fun but seemed so removed from the rest of the culture and events of the story. Both elements seem like setups for shorts or sequels… maybe that’s ok but I’m still undecided on the growing serial nature of Disney/Pixar projects. The leads were entertaining but didn’t pull the heartstrings quite as well as Rapunzel and Ralph/Vanellope.

    To rebut a few comments I’ve seen here (just my opinion after first viewing)–
    - I liked that Hans was a little hammy at the end and I feel like on second viewing there might be some subtle foreshadowing (I remember lines from Hans and Anna’s song that now seem like he was leading her)
    - I did notice that the songs were less grand than some of the classics but I liked that! They felt more like part of the conversation. A lot of classic Disney songs seem to completely stop the show and they sometimes felt jarring to me. Maybe this is reflective of a more contemporary style of musical?
    - Loved that the characters were kind of odd at times, I think it makes them more real and memorable.
    I totally get that there were some plot holes if you analyze it enough but I think that’s a matter of fairy tales not being made for today’s commentary. I bet you could go back and make the same kind of list about many of the Disney features.

    Overall I really liked this movie, it’s still a light fairy tale and not much of a leap beyond Tangled and Ralph but it exceeded my expectations. A side note, say what you will but I took a toddler along and despite not understanding the dialog, he seemed to follow the ups and downs of the story dead on — which is a huge credit to the artists and animators involved. I feel like it’s a fun ride for all ages that gives you more to think about the older and more experienced you are.

  • OtherDan

    We saw a free 3D screening and watched it again tonight with our kids (4 & 8). The kids loved it both times. I actually liked it in 3D more – especially the short which got big audience reactions in 3D, yet hardly anything from a full house in 2D. The atmospheric stuff in 3D was great.

    I don’t have anything to criticize: it was fun, amazingly rendered, entertaining; and story-wise, it was solid. I think it’s similar to, and on par with Tangled. I guess my only gripe is the over-use of contemporary lines, like ‘wait. what?’. It’s funny the first time, but loses impact when over-played.

  • Captain America

    A C+? Common. I’d like to know what gets an A and a D on your scale.

    • Hulk

      That’s a fair challenge. I’d give Brad Bird’s top 3 animated films: ‘Iron Giant’, ‘Incredibles’ and ‘Rattatouille’, an A+ (or perhaps an A113 would be more appropriate. :) I’d give the hurried, taken away from Richard Williams at the last minute version of ‘Theif and the Cobbler’ a D. I’d give in an F but it still has a lot of great Richard Williams animation in it, mangled though it may be.

      • Captain America

        We disagree on the lower end of your scale. Didn’t Williams famously spend 10yrs on that film? I’d give Ice Age a solid…B; Frozen is a notch or two above that in execution, I’d have to say – A- in my book. Bird get A113s. Thief and the Cobbler is so unique, I’d move it to the high Cs.

        • Hulk

          No He spent 40 years on it. Don’t get me wrong. The Animation is beyond amazing. It’s some of the most stunning work ever done and probably ever will be done. The low grade I give it is because it was taken away from him and ruined. His original version of course would get an A with as many plusses and can be added.

  • a

    I was pretty disappointed with Frozen’s story. From the panels I’ve gone too at CTN and the Disney Inspires Day it seemed like everyone was patting themselves on the back for this story. They never explained Elsa’s powers like they did with Repunzel in Tangled. Also the ending of the story we have Elsa who has overcome her fear that her power will hurt Anna is making her ice skates—which was the type of play that hurt Anna when they were little so basically we should all just cross fingers that Elsa has a better aim now or else she will be heading right back up the North Mountain.

    And let’s just call out the obvious here—Disney Feature just copied Disney Toons story of Tinkerbell and the Secret of the Wings that came out last year. In that straight to DVD movie, Tink goes to the Winterwoods to visit her snow fairy sister. But inso doing her wings freeze and break but through the power of true sisterhood love her wings are healed and they live happily ever after. Also if you ever so happen get the chance to see some earlier concept of Elsa’s hair it is the same short spunky hair style as Perrywinkles, Tinks sister.

    If Big Hero 6 is just a knockoff of Planes with big Special effects like Frozen then obviously Disney has changed there buzz catch phrase from “Story,story,story” to “Effects,effects,effects”.

  • Funkybat

    This film has been in development in one way or another for something like 10 years, and I know that early on it was set to be 2D or some kind of 3D/3D hybrid, so there has to be some early vis dev aimed at that somewhere in the archives.

    This movie was modern and even postmodern in a lot of ways, but the songs (both in style and frequency) actually felt kind of throwback, even more so than Princess and the Frog. The song with the Trolls and Kristoff especially felt very 80s/early 90s. It was funny in a way, a lot of unexpected things for me with this movie, both good and not so good.

    • Megan

      Yes I agree with you. I actually read that it was in the works longer for many years when Walt Disney was still alive and it was brought up again multiple times through out the years. (I could be wrong cause I read that from a source but if its correct thats pretty amazing).
      i really did enjoy the design works of the film and it did have a lot of classical themes and styles that made me watch the movie again.

  • 2Cents

    Its always so interesting to hear from someone who is just as hypocritical as those who he is criticizing. You speak of the people who are soooo blinded, but you sit equally in the opposite end of the spectrum among the people so driven to hate a movie just because of their personal unrefined taste. If you have at all a brain, and even the slightest insight to what it takes to create a story for film, you would know that its is absolutely impossible to explain and direct every detail in 108 minutes. The keyword is “every”, movies would have to be exponentially longer and if that is what you want…read a book.

    Now to deviate from what should be obvious lets talk genre(major plot device)… would you attend an opera and criticize it for having too many songs and being in a foreign language, because to you it should be more like (insert your favorite genre here). Your comment ” If Disney Corp wants to keep doing princesses movies in this 21st century, fine, but release them directly to video for whoever is willing to buy them.” I Agree, many people wanted this movie and wanted it on the big screen.. it is you who have complete control to choose NOT to watch it. Disney should not and will not cater to your outrageous ego. Oh also.. its a fairy-tale… which will answer much of your questions about the castle/food/choices… It is a story structure that make them fairy-tales…as in it does not have to realistic(that’s why it is fantasy) people living in castles/places with no real means of feeding themselves is as normal in fairy-tales as guitar solos are in rock. The importance about the genre which Disney did a splendid job in articulating(and should also be the talking point of discussions) is the moral they conveyed, the journey and the colorful characters that drove all of it forward. Also to note this is probably one of the more feminist films to date… it is still a big step forward.

    I also have to note that if you really thought that Anna and Elsa acted the same way, please just stop watching films altogether.

    People like you that get so worked up comparing apples and oranges only because they like apples and not oranges are comical and sad at the same time, only because of your blatant ignorance. I am not defending Disney or the film, but it is important to judge things for what they are and in that respect FROZEN did real well in its respective genre.

  • Steve

    Let me try again. When…EXACTLY…did you walk out?

  • teawalk

    I think it’s good that Disney going to like their classical movies beside many feature film not doing this. The Characters are awesom and the story is entertaint too. I like how the musical shot is much more than the previous (Tangled) I think, which is nice to see it now.

  • funstructive

    I was really disappointed in this film compared to Disney’s latest films…If you care for my points feel free to check out our analysis.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQLhXhf5ZC8
    Feel free to let me know if we’re wrong.

    • jmunster

      spot on review with a great sense of humor

  • ok

    Um… if you were going to pay to see the damn thing, you might as well have actually sat through the entire film before making your final judgments. There was only what, ten/fifteen minutes left in the movie (unless you left even earlier than that). Sorry to say, but you definitely blew it.

    And I will spoil it for you since you seem to think you know the ending. There was no true love’s kiss, from either Hans or Kristoff. It was Anna sacrificing her life to save Elsa that was the act of “true love” that broke the curse. Anna was willing to die to protect her sister.

  • Esther

    The artists and directors behind Frozen keep saying the film is meant to stray from the overused prince and princess formula but I feel like substituting the prince with an ice harvester doesn’t make much of a difference. If they really wanted it to be a movie about sisters they should have focused on Elsa’s storyline. Instead they kept following the journey of Anna and Kristoff and Olaf (who didn’t seem to be much of a necessary character). Actually, there were a lot of unnecessary characters who only further confused the direction of the story and muddled the main conflict of the film.

    Visually it was really very beautiful, but the story fell short and the characters seemed underdeveloped.

  • Benjamin Arthur

    I saw it being closer to Beauty and the Beast, with Elsa being the beast and Anna being Belle – Then you have the whole Gaston character in the duke, and the belief in a character’s ability to change even after they’ve given up. Only through sacrifice are they able to resolve the whole situation and live happily ever after.

    • Cheese

      Actually, I was thinking Hans as Gaston since Hans was about to kill Elsa and Gaston was about to kill the beast. But anyways, yeah that too.

  • http://www.moviecappa.com/ Mike Caracappa

    Right. Except its a message that has nothing to do with the rest of the movie. It’s easier to make Hans the villain so she can go with the other guy instead of maybe saying something real about adult relationships or getting us to take them seriously. There’s no build up to him becoming a villain. He’s just suddenly bad. And btw, what’s the difference between Anna falling in love with a guy she spends one day with vs. the other guy she spends only two days with?

  • Katy

    I loved the art, animation and singing…but it’s hard to overlook some plot holes. I wanted so badly to LOVE this movie, but there are some things story-wise that don’t make sense.

    1. First, I really felt like Elsa needed a more compelling reason to stay isolated all those years. How is an incident from your childhood (Where everything turned out okay in the end and Anna was fine) a compelling enough motivator to lock yourself willingly away from all society, even your begging sister? Plus, why did they have to wipe Anna’s memories? Surely she would have better understood why Elsa had to be in isolation if she had known.

    If it were me, I think I would have had Elsa create some sort of accidental avalanche (instead of a sinking ship), where her parents didn’t make it. Thus, you would wipe Anna’s memories to hide the truth of her parents’ deaths and Elsa would have a VERY powerful motivation to stay away. I even think it would have been a more powerful example of sisterly love to have Anna be able to explain to Elsa that she forgives her and that she understands it was an accident.

    2. Second, what’s with the trolls? Either a universe should be filled with magic as a common occurrence (i.e. see Harry Potter) or it should be a rare event (i.e. see Tangled). What purpose did the trolls serve? They only diluted the storyline and added in the typical Disney romance song.

    3. Award action-packed intro. It all felt so rushed, especially the entrance of Hans and the engagement. Obviously, things between Hans and Anna don’t work out, but it would have felt more natural if Anna had already known Hans or was betrothed to him.

    If I can think of several ways this story could be tighter and stronger, it baffles me why the writers of Frozen couldn’t think of it.

  • Avalon

    In a lot of ways, it’s also similar to Tangled. Supposedly, Rapunzel is actually the sisters’ cousin!

  • Alexis

    There’s a great quote in the artbook that I’ll loosely paraphrase – any movie that supports that climax has to be good.

    Frozen has many flaws. Inconsistent pacing, unintentionally obvious plot points, conflicting messages about romance, and unnecessary villains. It seems like some of the pacing suffered when they rewrote the sister relationship from its original antagonistic heir/spare form to what we now have. But it’s so worth it. The relationship between Anna and Elsa is just so refreshing and charming. I wish they kept the focus on the sisters in the late second act instead of misdirecting with the two love interests, but what Elsa/Anna interaction we do get makes the whole thing worth while.

  • Leila M

    I thought Frozen was cute, but it could have been better. The songs were distracting to me and felt kind of shoehorned in; I think it would have been a more solid film with just Idina Menzel’s song. The characterization was okay, but the movie felt kind of rushed to me, as if it was fast forwarding itself through anything that wasn’t a “big scene.” Plus, hooray for Disney for killing the parents – again. Also, for my taste, one goofy character is enough – I loved Sven, but the talking snowman PLUS the trolls was a bit much for me. I think I would have felt differently if I was 9, but I’m not. I enjoyed watching the movie and I’m glad I finally saw it, but it definitely (for me) is nowhere near the league of Beauty and the Beast or even Tangled, which I can go back and watch over and over as an adult – not something I think I’ll want to do with Frozen.

  • Peter V.

    While the animation is excellent, “Frozen” is extremely disappointing. For me, the most disturbing element is the writing. The most enjoyable song, in Disney tradition, was “Love Is An Open Door.” It was the set-up of the prince and princess meeting and falling in love. The two characters seem to be genuinely infatuated. But there is a blonde guy waiting in the wings. Thus, the heroine is going to have two love interests – you know that from the start. Now, there were many possible ways to resolve this conflict. With clever thought and ingenuity, the writers could have taken an original twist to settle the situation. Instead, as they have not created any real villain, they take a preposterous turn, one they thought was an easy way out. But it makes little sense. The “sudden” villain would have had to calculate the random meeting of the princess. The villain does so many helpful, kind things, even risking his life. The fun, loving song they share is thus completely negated and false. Those who criticize the “love at first sight” theme, ought to consider Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, and Ariel. That is part of the Disney magic. In a misguided attempt to make the story, what, more feminist, more contemporary, the conclusion is a hackneyed.cliche. If the bottom line, as it may well be, is financial, this picture succeeds. If it is quality fantasy film making, it does not.

    • Lithia

      “Love is an Open Door” isn’t even remotely the most enjoyable song. That goes to “Let It Go.”

  • Varg2000

    These supposed “similarities” aren’t similarities at all, actually, and the only similarities that actually exist aren’t anything really worth mentioning, it’s insignificant.

  • Varg2000

    Frozen was a truly AMAZING/INCREDIBLE and POWERFUL film, a great emotional and epic journey throughout one of the most magical and most captivating worlds of all time (and it just so happens to be based upon the beautiful and mysterious Scandinavian kingdom, or queendom), the best motion picture experience of my entire life! There is honestly no movie like this, this is the only film out of all the thousands that I’ve seen and enjoyed throughout my life that I actually can call “the greatest film of all time”, the only film that truly succeeds to bring out the tears, filled of both happiness and sadness. I was very pleasantly surprised the first time I watched the film, I had no high expectations at all, due to the misleading trailer that I saw I thought this film wouldn’t be anything to really remember.

    And BOY was I surprised! This film literally has everything a film should have; a great, epic and fascinating story; lovable and indeed relatable and powerful characters (with great actors behind the voices) that you care about and wanna get to know better; amazing/mind blowing/beautiful musical numbers that reaches deep into your very soul; fantastic and beautiful animation, environments and sequences that really makes you feel inspired, warm, and happy and make you wonder how they could accomplish that; comedic moments that really brings that extra great and bright tone to this otherwise very dark film; powerful messages and lessons of life that really makes you value life in a “new” way and become really proud of the creators of this amazing masterpiece of a film, which appearantly really thought it all out and made every little thing in the film mean something and be crucial to the story.

    And despite having some trouble with the animation, especially some characters, the work that has been done here is excellent. I have thoroughly enjoyed it to a point that I never thought possible, an obsession with this film is totally inevitable. And another thing, movies always tends to have holes or mistakes in them, but this film is quite unique, seeing as it has seemingly no plot holes or obvious mistakes what-so-ever. That, if anything, is saying something on how this movie is an exception from all others. This can be described by one word: Perfection.

    This is something Disney can be proud of, this is the one film that is very likely to become their greatest, highest grossing, and most popular film of all time. To make a film greater than this one, that would be a true challenge. This is a film I will buy in an instance, and I will enjoy it (along with the awesome and touching soundtrack) for a long time into the future. Looking forward to the extra materials on the DVD/Blu-ray and to find out more about the film. Not only has this film taught me (as someone who has such visions should know) how to make a great film, but it also teaches us memorable lessons about what may be the most important thing in this world, the amazing power of love and family.

    To all the amazing people who brought this film to our world, after 70 years of development, from the bottom of my heart, I thank you! This film will mean so much to so many people (to some it’ll be and has been life-changing), it can’t be imagined. This film is so great and so unbelievably “magical” one can’t go one single day without having the thought of “whether this is a dream or reality” cross your mind. Anyway, this is a movie-experience that is completely unforgettable.

  • Guest

    I went to see Frozen, and I came out thinking that I would never forget it. I enjoyed everything about it, the jokes, the lines, the songs, the animation, and especially, especially the plot. It’s got an amazing twist full of laughs, fun, and adventure. I hope a second one comes out, for I would love to know more about Elsa, her powers, and especially the Kristanna relationship!

  • Debbie

    I have most every disney movie every classic..frozen has to be the absolute best ever made…men of course will not understand how it will touch a soul especially between sisters…I can not stop watching it over and over…it reminds me of my love for my sister and how I would do anthing for her….so those of you that did not like it..dont hate appreciate and if u have a sister go tell her you love her…plus strong women who can take care of themselves and not have to have a prince to take care of them…disney needs more movies like this…

  • Just An Inquisitive Nobody

    Yeah I think it could have been better if the mother had be turned into a mountain lion or wolf. Same with the evil bear. But the characters really make this for me.

  • TheNamelessDoll .

    Glömde bort denna konversation/sida helt och hållet och när jag väl kom ihåg så ville jag avsluta min analys av prins Hans innan jag svarade. Så sorry för sent svar. DX

    As somebody who discusses film everyday, both in and outside of the interwebbs, I have come to learn that the best way to get avoid instant cat fights is a spoonful of politeness. ;3
    It is interesting to read your viewpoint on the problems, even if I may not agree with them. But hey, that is the beauty of different opinions: there is always something to talk about.

    I have a whole rant for Hans now. I think he was the biggest disappointment for me personally. If you are interested in reading all my thought on him, then follow the link. But beware: I’m not nice on him. XD http://thenamelessdoll.tumblr.com/post/88479160621/hans-rant-3
    (And sorry, but your comment about Hans’ “Just you”-line falls into the same pit as my other examples.)

    Aren’t that alike? I have studied both 3D modelling and 3D animation and dear sir, they were basically copy/pasting all the female leads.
    This may put things into perspective: http://feministdisney.tumblr.com/post/87559416536/everets-are-these-3-different-characters
    There is a difference between family members looking alike and plain laziness. And once again: I have studied this. Animation is indeed hard, but that dose not mean that you have to make a boring model. All the male models have pretty much the exact same rigging, but they all have the luxury of having distinct facial structures and body types, while the females are clones? There is NO good excuse that can be made up to defend this. As a woman and somebody who finds character design very important, I find it insulting that they simply could not bother to try harder in making our protagonist more unique, more REAL, more like their own individuals. If people with Sims 4 can make more varied characters with a few mouse clicks compared to a multimillion feature length movie like Frozen, then there is something wrong.

    I watched the movie again and I started thinking about something. I could be completely wrong about this, I have no idea if this is what the filmmaker intended or not…. But what if the act of true love had to be made by Anna? That the cursed had to be the one to break the cure on her/his own? Then it would explain why the other gesturers of try love did not matter (Olaf letting himself melt/die for Anna, Kristoff ringing his life to get to her, Kristoff letting her go – Olaf himself said that an act of true love is putting others needs before ones own, so these are all legitimate acts of true love.) BUT as I said: I don’t know if that is what the writer intended or if a kiss from Kristoff would actually have worked. My head canon says so now at least. <3

    Once again: I do respect your opinions and your passion is somewhat eyeopening. (^-^)