More News About the Network Formerly Known as Cartoon

Thurop Van Orman, the creator of The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack, posted an entry earlier this week on his deviantART page, in which he wrote the following:

NO, CARTOON NETWORK isn’t changing its name. Not anytime soon anyways—they were gonna… But I think their reality show idea didn’t go as well as they had hoped, so… they’re kinda backing out of that idea. Yay for cartoons!

His perspective on what is happening at Cartoon Network is wildly different than that of Chowder creator C.H. Greenblatt. Care to make a guess which one of them still has a show at the network and which one of them has had their show cancelled?

Granted, it’s true that Cartoon Network has removed their Andrew W.K. video from YouTube (600 negative comments will do that), but I wouldn’t read too much into that token gesture. From where I’m standing, it appears to be little more than a carefully calculated effort to quell their viewership’s outrage and not representative of a meaningful shift in direction. If any doubt remains about the network’s true intentions, look no further than this recent Broadcasting & Cable article in which the architects of the live-action strategy speak about their goals. The piece details at length why they’re switching to live-action, and describes the network’s “360 degree” marketing campaign to usher in live-action, including the distribution of 8 million copies of a free CN Real magazine at theme parks and movie theaters.

One of the figureheads in their brand-wrecking transition is Stuart Snyder, executive VP and COO of Turner animation, young adults and kids media. The article states that Snyder made switching to live-action a priority when he came on board in 2007. “I think these new shows, whether reality or live scripted, really open up and broaden the audience, so you can be thinking about new advertising categories,” Snyder said. “It opens up more categories for us than just being in shows specifically [targeting] 6- to 11-year-olds.”

Cartoon Network’s Chief Content Officer Rob Sorcher acknowledged in the same article that inserting live-action into a brand called Cartoon Network will take time for audiences to accept: “Anytime you do something new at a network, particularly at one with a very specific niche, there will be a reaction. People will say, is this appropriate? We are doing something that is very different than anything in the nearly 20 years of history of the channel. It is possible that this is going to take a while.”

Animation fans meanwhile continue to mobilize. Over 2,500 people have now joined the Boycott Cartoon Network’s CN Real Block on Facebook. A new website has launched called “Stop the Madness” that encourages people to take specific actions to protest the network. A quick search for “Cartoon Network” on Twitter also reveals a steady stream of complaints. (Cartoon Brew suggests using the hashtag #CNFail to organize all the complaints on Twitter.) Finally, if you’d like to register your complaints directly with Stuart Snyder, try sending him a friend request on Facebook. I’m sure he’d love to hear from a few fans of the channel.

More to come…


  • Nightmare is Near

    I thought that was hilarious with all the negative comments and the average rating of the video was 1 star out of over 900 votes for the “CNThisSummer” Channel’s video. Andrew’s video on his channel (which was the same video) didn’t fare much better and got an average of 2 stars, it was met with several negative comments including ones calling him a “puppet” and a “sell out”. The war between Animation fans and CN Executives is about to get more intense this month at the San Diego COMIC CON! I will be there I hope!

  • http://www.animehell.org tohoscope

    Snyder said. “It opens up more categories for us than just being in shows specifically [targeting] 6- to 11-year-olds.”

    That’s funny, I always thought cartoons appealed to the very young all the way to folks far older then me.

  • http://hand-drawn-animation.blogspot.com David Nethery

    And here’s a big part of the problem :

    Stuart Snyder apparently still buys in to the antiquated notion that animation is at it’s root basically a genre aimed at kids . He says of bringing in live-action:

    ““It opens up more categories for us than just being in shows specifically targeting 6- to 11-year-olds.”

    See ? CN couldn’t aim shows at people older than 11 years old without bringing in live-action. Because as everyone knows animation can only be aimed at 6 – to – 11 year old kids.

  • mike birt

    um amid, i don’t mean to poke a hole in your logic, but that article is from almost a month ago. like, right around when cn real first started.
    mr. van orman’s announcement is from just a few days ago. it may have only been a month but a lot could have changed since then. as with any tv show, if they aren’t bringing in the ratings, the executives are gonna drop them like a hot potato.

  • JP

    Wait. What?

    Chowder is getting canceled? Did I miss a bigger post on this news somehow?

  • http://clownalley.net Pat Cashin

    Stuart Snyder?!?

    Mr. Snyder has a proven track record of ruining fun for “Children of All Ages” at every company that he’s ever worked for! How on EARTH did he ever end up at Cartoon Network???

    He was instrumental in closing Ringling’s Clown College and ushering in the lamest, most joyless era in the circus’ 139 year history. He then took took the WWE from it’s dizzying 90s heights straight into it’s current diminished state of pop-culture irrelevancy.

    If ever there was a Grinch who routinely stole each and every Christmas that he could get his hands on, it is Mr. Stuart Snyder.

  • uncle wayne

    you mean animation (on film) is older than a century….and we have to kill ourselves to make NEW animation!! Something wrong here!

  • http://tomboycomics.blogspot.com emily

    It seems that Flapjack has a huge fan base of teenagers and adults in their early 20′s. Just search “flapjack” on DeviantArt. It’s definitely not aimed at very young children.

  • http://www.cementimental.com Tim Drage

    Joining a facebook group is not “mobilizing”

  • Terry Jacobs

    ” . . . describes the network’s “360 degree” marketing campaign to usher in live-action . . . ”

    As in they want to turn the network around 360 degrees? So . . . they’d be back where they started? Which means they’d continue to only show cartoons and not live action? Please?

    Unfortunately, I believe they meant 180 degrees, unless that’s the percentage drop in their ratings.

    I remember one time when I saw Batman and Robin was on CN movie night and thought that was pushing it, though, truly, B&R was basically a cartoon. And at least the Ben 10 movie was based on their own cartoon show.

    But this whole CN Real Block is out of line. It’s on par with the Family Channel segueing to R and M rated programming in the name of diversifying their lineup. It just doesn’t make sense. It is oxymoronic, or maybe just maybe just moronic.

    “Anytime you do something new at a network, particularly at one with a very specific niche, there will be a reaction. People will say, is this appropriate?”

    Well, I’ll ASK (not say), “Is this appropriate?” In a word, no.

    If you have a niche, um, people are watching your channel for that niche. If they want another niche, like a channel with both cartoons and live action, well, that’s what Nickelodeon and Disney Channel are for. Cartoon Network has always been that safe haven where you could count on cartoons being on at any given time when you especially don’t want to watch live action stuff. Especially teenybopper live action stuff.

    Expanding the anime programming, adding more original Adult Swim shows, bringing back the shows that founded the network from the pasture of Boomerang, moving ~2 year old shows over TO Boomerang, those are moves that can either enrage or endear viewers of CARTOON Network. Adding fully live action shows is basically a slap in the face (heck, at least Out of Jimmy’s Head had cartoons IN it).

    Guess if they’re going to change the whole point of their channel, I’ll have no choice but to watch more Sci-fi, er, SyFy . . . *face palm*

    All arguments aside, in the name of fairness I’ve watched the offending shows, and the best of the lot was The Othersiders, but a shiny turd among turds is still a turd.

    Bottom-line, they’re risking the alienation of their entire viewer-base to broadcast some pretty lame shows, live action or not. At least if this were quality programming some slack cutting may be in order, but it’s just garbage that makes Hannah Montana look like an Emmy-worthy show (whoa, wait, HM actually got NOMINATED?! What is the world coming to?!!).

  • Graham

    Terry Jacobs stole my joke about the 360 degrees. :(

    Actually tried to sit through the live action CN stuff a few days ago. Same old stuff as Bravo, TLC, History Channel, Discovery. Personally I am really sick of scripted reality TV and think it needs to stop asap.

    Best case scenario is it sinks the network and then they have to go back to hiring creators again.

  • http://venadoinstantaneo.blogspot.com diego

    I added him to facebook, as you said, I’m a Cartoon-Brew zombie, what else should I do?

  • http://Chipsandsolstice.blogspot.com Marty

    Wait…I thought Greenblatt was making fun of the video…

  • Peter

    360 degrees means going full circle and ending up back where you started.

  • Mandy

    Diego- I’m not sure how good adding him to your friend will be. I sent him a message last year complaining about this and he has yet to do anything.

    ““It opens up more categories for us than just being in shows specifically targeting 6- to 11-year-olds.”

    I don’t think he really means that as not liking animation. He probably doesn’t want to pay the animators and keep all the money for himself. So, they make cheap reality kid shows instead and their excuse is a wider audience? I really think the only people who are going to watch this is 0-5 year olds and that’s if their parents let them watch this brain dribbling programming.

  • http://rubikunsreviews.livejournal.com rubi-kun

    Ugh.

    They canceled all their shows that were popular with older kids (Samurai Jack, Justice League Unlimited, MEGAS XLR, non-toyetic anime) and NOW they do this!?!

  • captainmurphy

    If a niche network can’t be a niche network, why HAVE a niche network?

    Its really odd. What if ESPN decided it had to air soap operas half of the day, simply because it wasn’t selling enough detergent ads?

    This happened years ago to MTV. Do you go to MTV for any particular reason at all now? Back then, you could find MUSIC on the channel.

    What about SyFy. What the hell is that about? The nerd demographic only can sell so many Pizza and Soda spots? Afraid of the pronunciation ‘skiffy’?

    Maybe TV will return to an advertiser based patronage, like the Pepsodent show, or Willam Morris Presents,

    If you are selling a package to the consumers, they might want the vertical niche. If you can’t sell ads to the demograpphic that niche represents, just go back to four channels.

    And who the hell is watching all the scripted reality TV?

    TV counts the relative numbers of the remaining audience. They do not seem to notice or count the people leaving in droves. Change only moves a blip for some corporate ladder climber to add to their CV to move on after they have really only trashed long term loyalty for short term growth, which is really only measuring those tuning in to see what has changed. While loyal patronage moves away entirely.

  • The Network formerly known as Cartoon

    I’m not gay Amid, but I LOVE YOU! GREAT POST!

  • mark cee

    Those new guys in charge come from a reality based background and don’t understand animation in general. They want to copy Disney’s successful run of bad, live action teeny-bopper crap. I have a feeling that their bosses will eventually realize that it’s a big mistake and get rid of them. Hopefully soon.

    It’s a shame about Chowder though. It’s wildly popular, I hear kids and teenagers talking about it all the time. But as long as the new guys are in charge, both Chowder and Flapjack are suffering because of their ignorance.

  • John F A

    what’s wrong with a strong niche market? Baskin-Robbins makes millions making ice cream, Papa John’s make a fortune on pizza. Neither company is going to double their business with pizza flavored ice cream.

  • http://goldenagecartoons.com Matthew Hunter

    Check out this commercial gag they ran 12 years ago. And what showed up on their “Flicks” schedule not too long ago? Ace Ventura.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyO2HHpmlt4

  • http://dailygrail.com/blog/8389 red pill junkie

    “I think these new shows, whether reality or live scripted, really open up and broaden the audience, so you can be thinking about new advertising categories [emphasis mine].”

    So, you wanna show commercials that sell cars & shaving cream on a —formerly— cartoon network? Well, F*#CK YOU, Mr. Snyder!!

  • http://jessicaplummer.blogspot.com Jessica Plummer

    This feels like those Saturday mornings where you went to watch your favorite cartoon on the only channel that aired them, and instead found that an hour of news coverage had bumped your show out of its block.

    EXCEPT FOREVER.

    PS. – Perhaps they should include “logic” on the list of requirements for any executive position at networks from now on. Just sayin’…

  • http://www.frankpanucci.com FP
  • Trevor

    I guess it’s too much to ask to hire people who enjoy the kind of programming your network is all about.

  • http://tomboycomics.blogspot.com emily

    Even more annoyingly, and I watch Cartoon Network for shows like Flapjack so I’ve seen the ads, the reality shows look terrible for kids, or even teenagers. I don’t get it. I’ve seen clips on cars being smashed up, and stuff of that nature, and don’t understand what the heck is going on…The little clips they show during commercials hurt my eyes and ears.

    Okay, and…Has anyone noticed the bizarre and disturbing fruit-roll-up commercials?

    Also, they show NERF commercials that feature a 20-ish-year-old guy intensely shooting nerf arrows. It’s so funny!

  • http://comicrazys.com Christopher

    Uhm… am I the only one that doesn’t care about the change? Of course, all you folks that work on shows care, but why does anyone else? My son and I have all the cartoons we want to watch on DVD. What I don’t have on DVD I have on Laserdisc. What I don’t have on Laserdisc I have on VHS. And as a last resort – Youtube. We also have the luxury of watching any of the above WITHOUT commercials. We can also watch the same cartoon 3X in a row if we want (which my son often does). I’m not much of a fan of recent cartoons (no offense to any and all creators/talent). So I, personally, won’t miss any of it.

    Do I think it stinks that Cartoon Network is going live? ABSOLUTELY! I hate to see cartoonists/animators laid off. Will I miss it? No. I haven’t watched CN since Samurai Jack ended. But I have that show on DVD, so no biggie.

    PS – I am not trying to be a “flamer” and start a war with anyone. I’m just not upset about this. Maybe if it was the only place to still see old cartoons, I’d be pissed. But again, they’re all available on DVD, with NO COMMERCIALS. =)

    Sorry to be the voice of dissention. Still friends?

  • http://tomboycomics.blogspot.com emily

    Christopher, point taken, but T.V. episodes are new, and spontaneous. Just like radio. And by radio, I mean Pandora, lol. But I do see your point-of-view, and half-agree.

  • http://chrisbattleillustration.blogspot.com/ Chris Battle

    Good point, Christopher. Immediate availability via the web and complete series DVD sets are to “blame” for niche channels switching formats, unfortunately.

  • Mandy

    For amusement of nastalgists
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT0Hm-8oGFM

  • http://www.cartoonresearch.com Jerry Beck

    Christopher – I don’t work for CN or on any of its shows, and certainly don’t fit its demographic, but I deeply care about losing any significant outlet for animation – in this case a cable TV channel labeled CARTOON NETWORK.

    Call it a niche, but “we” (we who love cartoons) still need a dedicated champion for animation on television – and its a damn shame to see one of its former leading lights wither away like this.

    The channel is presently being run by a group of men who do not understand what animation is or can be. They inherited a failing “kids channel” and are wrapping development and programming around what they do know: the stuff that traditionally works on other live action cable networks (reality shows, movies, sitcoms, anything with crashing trucks, etc.).

    Instead of leading, they are following and are most-likely doomed to fail. (That said, I applaud their support of Pen Ward’s forthcoming ADVENTURE TIME and the continuing DC Superhero cartoons from Warner Bros. Animation).

    To paraphrase the famous New York Sun editorial: Yes, Virginia, there is a Cartoon Network. It just isn’t the Turner Broadcasting channel that still bears that name. It exists on on Warner Home Video, on Fox Sunday nights, in Ottawa and Annecy, on You Tube and here on Cartoon Brew. It exists wherever intelligent animators and enthusiasts convene to watch and discuss new and old cartoons. It exists in the homes of families like yours, who gather to watch Looney Tunes or Popeye DVDs.

    Even so, the world would be a better place if there was a 24 hour cable channel exclusively devoted to this form of entertainment. Once upon a time, there was.

  • http://invaderpetblog.blogspot.com Brandon

    Understatement of the century, folks:

    Quote: “Anytime you do something new at a network, particularly at one with a very specific niche, there will be a reaction. People will say, is this appropriate? We are doing something that is very different than anything in the nearly 20 years of history of the channel. It is possible that this is going to take a while.”

  • William

    Mr. Snyder’s comments have confirmed my suspicions about CN’s motives: to “broaden” audiences with live-action/reality, simply to expand their advertising realm! I’m not sure you can become more misguided than that. Nor can I believe they stated publicly their misplaced intentions, especially in light of the slack they’ve been getting lately.

    Even from a creative standpoint, reality shows do not “broaden” audiences. They actually do the opposite: they cheapen entertainment standards, demean the value of television, and hinder the ability of people (especially young viewers) to comprehend the wonderful world of FANTASY to its fullest. Even fantasy stories today – anything not reality – have a very strong semblance of reality in them. Remember when movies were just pure fantasy, with every single scene full of magic and wonder? Reality shows are what killed that sensibility.

  • http://dailygrail.com/blog/8389 red pill junkie

    Believe me: I see your point, Christopher; but what you seem to overlook, is that if that Cartoon Network starts to focus on live action instead of cartoons, that means less opportunities for new shows, and hence less work for animators. Glad to know you have all your favorite shows in DVD or VHS format, but are you willing to watch them over and over again for the next 10 years, since there won’t be anything worth watching on cable TV anymore?

    The first time I watched Cartoon Network, the first thing that drove me to it is that not only they showed a great deal of respect with the classic cartoons, but they were also trying to come up with new ideas and new shows; that love fueled their drive and it’s been clearly missing for the last… well, I don’t know! for quite a while IMO

    I wonder how many years will pass before they try to stick an “X” somewhere in the logo.

  • william wallace

    Cartoon NetworX………………….ewwwwwww!

  • http://www.coffeeroll.com JPDJ

    With the death of Cartoon Network maybe someone will take the idea behind Hulu and launch a site dedicated soley to full-length, high quality animated programs.

    Of course, if it ever starts making money they’ll probably re-tool it to feature user-generated live action.

    Ugh…it’s a vicious cycle.

  • http://dailygrail.com/blog/8389 red pill junkie

    “With the death of Cartoon Network maybe someone will take the idea behind Hulu and launch a site dedicated soley to full-length, high quality animated programs.”

    In risk of sounding like a brown-noser, I would like to think that’s where BrewTV will be in say, 10 years from now :)

  • Kevin Martinez

    “It exists in the homes of families like yours, who gather to watch Looney Tunes or Popeye DVDs. ”

    Or at least they would, if Warner hadn’t cancelled their DVD plans for both of them forever and ever.

  • http://spritzer93436.tripod.com/ Art Binninger

    Here’s an encouraging bit about what happened at the Game Show Network, courtesy of “The Complete Directory to Prime Time Network and Cable TV Shows” ninth edition: In 2004 the network shortened its name to simply GSN and began experimenting with reality and other nontraditional game show formats, including reruns of THE MOLE, AVERAGE JOE, STAR SEARCH, KENNY VS. SPENNY and SPY TV (and later, THE AMAZING RACE). It also tried to jump on the card-game vogue with poker and blackjack shows. In 2005, amid viewer complaints, it began shifting back to traditional game shows, although some reality remained on the schedule.
    So keep up the complaining folks! It worked before, it can work again.

  • http://comicrazys.com Christopher

    Jerry and everyone – I completely understand your sentiments of cable needing a champion for animation, and outlets for new shows and work for creators, as well as what a bunch of knuckleheads are running (ruining) what would seem to be a no-brainer network. By no-brainer I mean, it’s a cartoon network, just show cartoons. Duh! I do agree and sympathize with this everyone’s points. I tried to make that clear in my post. Sorry if I didn’t.

    I remember being disappointed when Cartoon Network first started because if I remember correctly, it originally showed a lot of crap like Snorks. The good stuff, classic golden age, was relegated to late hours. My memory may be failing me here, but that’s what I remember. When HB cartoons did show up they gave them a whole other channel that my cable provider didn’t carry. So I was again disappointed. It was a long time before the Popeye black n’ whites showed up.
    It seemed that the anime was given all the respect on CN and classic cartoons given the shaft.

    I don’t think Cartoon Network ever lived up to my expectations of what a CARTOON network would/should be.

    emily- I think today’s cartoons are anything BUT spontaneous. They all seem very calculated and precise. Golden age cartoons are spontaneous. Many classic 30s cartoons seem to be pure imagination flowing with no real purpose other than to delight and amaze with no creative bounds.

    red pill junkie – Oh I’m definitely gonna watch them for the next 10 years. I’ve been watching old cartoons for the past 41 years. Not chance I’m gonna ever stop. I did mention in my post the loss of jobs for animators and my sorrow at that happening. As for anything worth watching on cable TV anymore? In my opinion that ended long ago and not just cartoons. But I’m being a curmudgeon. =)

    PS – As a note of old vs. new cartoons, I have noticed my son only ever laughs out loud at the old cartoons. Being 5, the slapstick and pantomime acting are much easier for him to understand and get the joke than all these talk, talk, talk cartoons of today. He just stares at those, never even cracking a smile. Nothing says funny, like a frying pan in the face. He’s even drawn for me a couple of pictures of people with anvils dropped on their heads.

    PPS – Jerry, as far as champions? YOU are my champion. You , Amid, Steve Worth, John K. and all the amazing animator’s and enthusiast’s blogs that dedicate endless time, love and energy to keeping the medium alive. I check the blogs every day and am always excited to find new links to even more great blogs in your posts.

    Again, not here to start a riot. I do think it stinks.

  • http://bakertoons.blogspot.com/ Charles Brubaker

    “I think today’s cartoons are anything BUT spontaneous. They all seem very calculated and precise.”

    This is probably due to animation being done half-way across the world, away from the home studio.

    When the animators were within the directors’ hands, they were able to be more liberal with how the animation would come out. However, since animation is something that’s outsourced, it has to be planned very tight.

    Thus, every single frame now has to be calculated in the American studio before the Korean artists touches their pencils to paper.

  • http://superrugged.blogspot.com MJ

    umm maybe im not picking up on the sarcasm, but don’t both thurop and C.H. Greenblatt agree that CN Real sucks? That’s the way it sounds on Greenblatts blog..

  • Chris Sobieniak

    I feel the same way Brubaker does about the matter. If there was a way to alleviate that precise calculation, we really need to bring back key animation in-house, that’s the only way I can see this work at all to our advantage.

  • http://zachattackary.blogspot.com Zach Smith

    This is kind of like when you take a road trip and they have the same five restaurants at every exit. It reminds me of this because when you flip through the channels today it is the same reality TV junk on every station.

  • Marc Baker

    The comments made by this Snyder clown brought me to the conclusion that he’s the kind of exec who aims for the lowest common denominator, and doesn’t want to commit to anything he ‘feels’ is a niche because in his mind, ‘niche= small audience’. And here in lies the problem with modern television. We have so many channels on the cable landscape that they’re all trying to get big audiences. Cable didn’t have to worry about this when the broadcast networks had big audiences. Mostly because the broadcast stations had more variety in their schedule before they became the newscast/infomercial/sleaze talk wastelands that they are today. Now that cable has picked up on the kind of programing that use to be seen on broadcast TV, they want to get bigger numbers for the niche they ‘represent’. However, that still isn’t enough for these TV geniuses who run these networks. So they think that by adding programing that doesn’t fit their ‘niche’, they” get bigger numbers. However, in Cartoon Network’s case, this idea has proven to be a disaster. As one poster said, maybe we should just go back to four channels. ABC, NBC, CBS, and the small local station that aired cartoons with pride like in the 80′s.

  • DanO

    This entire predicament is the end result of media homogenization(bear with me). As was stated earlier, other networks are up to similar shenanigans with fantastically dumb programming and bottom of the barrel ideas.

    This is what happens when huge corporations hire from within(as Turner does). the people who succeed and rise up the ranks to make decisions are those who tow the line best. They start as interns, then assistants, then vps and then when they got to a position of power, they do what they have done to get them where they are – play it safe.

    Media in the America today is bereft of any risk takers because of these humongous media corporations and the product of such corporate environments steering the ship. There is no RISK in their decisions…. and therefore, no return.

    We used to have a media landscape of many different small to midsize companies. It was a vibrant, eclectic, market where the real mavericks of programming would switch from company to company and the competition was fierce and rewarding. There is none of that now. Just a handful of shiftless corporations with humongous, impenetrable, pyramid hierarchies that breed complacency and fear. When media was deregulated in the nineties we lost the variety. We lost the real competition, we lost independent thinkers and risk takers.

    Its a travesty. I wish they would re-institute media ownership regulations and break up the Viacoms and Time Warners and Fox Broadcasting companies. They are in a steady slide of producing worse and worse product with no end in sight.

  • zimbach

    The Andrew W.K. video is still getting airplay on Cartoon Network. I just saw it play between episodes of Yu-Gi-Oh 5-Ds today. Perhaps they’re not giving up so easily?

  • Brad

    @DanO you put it very well, I don’t see any real hope for media right now. It’s really really bad and just getting worse and more bland. Everything is the same and everything is garbage now, IMO. All these niche channels that were so fun and cool in the 80s and 90s have all self-destructed, destroyed their brands and lost all or most of the quality in their programming. The few that have held reasonably close to their purpose are all showing the same signs of the same cancer, resorting to worthless “reality”-based trash (which describes ALL reality shows) and alternative programming.

    I’m kind of in Christopher’s camp, just contenting myself with ignoring the signal and creating my own viewing experience with the content I collect on DVD, etc. Of course I’ll never see anything new that way, and not ALL of what I’d like to have has been released or necessarily ever will be any time soon. But at least there’s enough and a steady enough stream of releases for the time being, I really don’t have much alternative do I?

    I also feel that, even if a huge backlash prevents the further destruction of CN’s brand/image, it hasn’t been very good for a long time and I don’t think it’s going to be a good cartoon channel (or any other kind of channel) again any time soon.

  • Chris Sobieniak

    > As one poster said, maybe we should just go back to four channels. ABC, NBC, CBS, and the small local station that aired cartoons with pride like in the 80’s.

    I’d rather it was 1982 all over again! I may’ve stated a number of times my feelings on this matter too, but cable TV then didn’t have to impress anyone when you know the regular stuff was still watchable on The Big Three/PBS/Indie stations. What they had was nothing, but from nothing you got some creative ways they reached out through catering to a particular sub group (sports=ESPN, children-Nickelodeon, music=MTV, news=CNN, etc.). It was a simple concept but had great potential given the atmosphere and liberal nature they had to go with. It’s true to argue that for it’s time, not everyone had cable TV, either if they couldn’t afford it or it wasn’t available in their area, but I think as more people got hooked up, the more the expectations began to rise over what they expect to see and what the networks could give ‘em, especially into the 90′s. Somewhere during then the breakdown happened, and suddenly these stations began to add in programming that competed greatly with the terrestrial stations until at a point when the potential for growth in cable TV further gave us even more channels that further squeezed more genres into much smaller niche groups as we see today.

    What I miss from those early years was the risks that were taken, mainly because it was a new medium then, unlike now when corporate backing and further pandering to demographics have to be acknowledged. I miss the liberal nature that was there when I was first seeing this stuff 26-28 years ago. I’d rather have something like that back than to see the same focus-grouped, assembly-lined entertainment that is the standard for now.

  • DB

    How bad does an executive like Snyder need to screw up before being removed? That day can’t come soon enough. It’s not “going to take time” for people to adopt this new programming… it’s going to continue driving loyal fans away by the thousands while not bringing in the new audience they’re aiming at. And they’re throwing how much money away on these free magazines? Money that could very well finance the next great animation…

    The one channel that should be dedicated to preserving cartoons as an art form, isn’t. You can get dumbed-down reality shows ANYWHERE. Now thanks to this gross mismanagement, there isn’t a major channel left devoted solely to animation.

    Christopher – I see what you’re saying. Unfortunately, there will never be another show as good as Samurai Jack with these short-sighted execs destroying the channel that made (and could again make) a show like it possible. Are you content with all the cartoons you own? I hope not.

  • http://tomboycomics.blogspot.com Emily

    Christopher-

    This seems to be a matter of opinion and taste, but I think there are some fun cartoons on TV that are weird and delightful, and can’t wait for shows like Adventure Time. I look forward to the future of TV cartoons, and new cartoon animation in general.

    I don’t agree with the sentiment that if no one is going to match the old cartoons exactly–then those stories aren’t worth caring about, or watching…or even telling, for that matter. I think there’s some good stuff being done, and more to come.

  • iluvhatemail

    I dont get why we care. Cartoon network has gone downhill since they canceled Samurai Jack without showing the last episodes. The channel is already destroyed and the only hope Adult Swim isn’t fairing any better. It will probably take a new cartoon-oriented network to bring back the heyday of the 90s. Let this one go.

  • lemming

    Seems like Nickelodeon is still pushing for animation. How about a post on that instead of 50 posts on how Cartoon Network is failing?

    The the old horse die and support the new breeds.

    Bad analogy I know. Leave me alone.

  • http://yeldarb86.deviantart.com Mr. Semaj

    iluvhatemail:

    If we just “let it go”, it sends the message that it’s okay to let idiots screw people over, then they’ll just do it all over again once we finally do give up and move onto something different.

    I for one am tired of letting idiots win, and people giving up so quickly.

  • http://dailygrail.com/blog/8389 red pill junkie

    And of course, we’re forgetting another one of the reasons this happens:

    Because, as a cable customer, one is not allowed to choose which precise channels you want to have, and which ones to dump. Cable providers have only two flavors: Regular & Premium packages.

    If a customer could handpick and customized his own cable package, maybe the networks would strive to do a better job with their content.

  • CartoonStee

    Like Christopher, I’m thrilled with whats available on DVD (and online) but am much more disturbed by the change in culture evident in this cancerous “reality” crap. Step back and look at the big picture.

    As a caricature artist during the past several decades, I’ve had the unique opportunity to ask kids: “who’s your favorite cartoon character?” The answer had usually been “Bugs Bunny, Daffy, Tweety” – and later “Sponge Bob”. But nowadays I get answers like “I don’t have one” or “Thats So Raven”. wft??

    For execs to consider cartoon entertainment as a risk (for any age), is a harbinger that there is something very wrong in this world.

  • http://charlieroseart.blogspot.com/ Charlie

    I agree with William (above) has stated so well. When we lose fantasy, we lose everything. Reality is for accountants or people with little to no imagination.

    I am an animator, puppeteer and cartoon lover of all kinds. I live in cartoon land so I have never understood moving into “reality” for tv because where I live IS reality. Yet, I survive the “real world” because I am a creative thinker and artist. I make my own world every day. I can’t speak for nor relate to what do non-artists do. I can live in here (points to head) when I feel the need to detach from the realities of Earth. Where does an abused child go from abuse? This abused child was fortunate enough to have become an artist and who makes his living in cartoon land. I would swear to you my genetic code has been altered with names like Chuck Jones or Carl Swan…..or even Pablo Picasso to name a few….not to mention Albert Einstein and Michio Kaku and so on.

    What some, less fortunate, non-abstract thinkers can’t do is fully understand or appreciate what fantasy does to heal our world FROM reality. Fantasy is the retreat from the world around us. Where dreams are thoughts and thoughts become things. Reality is simply a status. Reality TV is about ratings and advertising alone.

    I can’t imagine a future world where the only thing we have is reality TV. Where do we go from here? Can we recreate an old tried and true concept of a world driven by fantasy without so much reality? What does fantasy do for our 21st Century world? What is reality TV doing to our evolution?

    Finally, if a child can be taught to think creatively; it will make a world where an adult can understand and perhaps even predict the consequences to his poor choices.

  • http://charlieroseart.blogspot.com/ Charlie

    ….but I love creative, free-thinking people of all kinds including accountants who must live in regular reality, no offense to my CPA.

  • Kalon

    Cartoon Network big problem was that they started to run a lot of reruns of cartoons, and in my opinion, a lot of people got tired of them (and trust me, it was a few shows that they played constantly thought out the whole day) . So in order to add fuel to the fire, they decided to add more Reality TV aimed for kids which I think they get enough reality from school as it is. If they was going to change, they should have change the name to compensate, and it too much reality TV as it is right now, like VH1, MTV, BET and even Disney XD(formally known as Toon Disney), and seriously I’m really getting tired of it bullcrap.
    Now if cartoon network really wanted to get kids attention is that they should have made a show where fat kids or kids in general get beat up at school, now I would watch that show. That CN real crap really needs to go and just put some new as well as some old cartoons that don’t repeat themselves every 2 hours.
    I know this is really irrelevant but remember when cartoon network showed very little commercials and now CN just going commercial crazy.

  • Robert

    If they want to have live action shows add another channel like “CNtv”. a simple fix, and Please bring back Sym-Bionic Titan.

  • Steve H.

    Answering the question of who has a show and who doesn’t. Didn’t they BOTH get the chop?