Production is Over On “Phineas and Ferb,” Future of Show Up in the Air [UPDATED]

The Animation Guild’s TAG blog has confirmed that Disney will no longer produce new episodes of Phineas and Ferb. They quoted an anonymous Disney staffer who had worked on the series:

Most the Phineas and Ferb board artists are gone. It was a nice, five-year run but the series and the specials have wrapped and people are off to other jobs, looking for other jobs. A few artists are swinging to other Disney shows here, but others not…

UPDATE: On Twitter, Phineas and Ferb co-creator Jeff “Swampy” Marsh denies that the show is over in an aggressively worded series of tweets directed toward the Animation Guild’s business rep Steve Hulett, who reported the news. We have reached out to the Animation Guild for comment.

Contrary to Marsh’s claim, I have never known the Guild to be inaccurate on a cancellation notice. They represent the artists who work on the show, and if there’s anybody who would know if a show is finished, it’s the Animation Guild. There may, in fact, be new unaired Phineas and Ferb episodes/specials already in the can. What the Guild is reporting however—and which Marsh doesn’t deny—is that the new content has already been produced, and thus why the show’s crew was laid off.

UPDATE 2: We’ve updated the title of the post to more accurately reflect that new episodes are no longer being produced and that the show’s future is unknown. P&F writer and storyboard artist Aliki Theofilopoulos wrote on Twitter that the show is on ‘indefinite hiatus.’

UPDATE 3 (2/21/14): The Animation Guild’s business rep Steve Hulett posted a follow-up to address Phineas and Ferb co-creator Jeff “Swampy” Marsh’s Twitter comments about him. In it, Hulett reiterated:

Over the past few months, the Phineas and Ferb crew has told me the show is wrapping up and they’ve gotten their end dates, that the series doesn’t have a pickup or green light for more episodes. And every time I’ve been over to Disney Sonora, there are more and more of the P & F artists gone from their spaces. And the few left say to me (again) that the show is wrapping.

As artists on the show have said [see update 2 above], the series is currently on ‘indefinite hiatus,’ which means that Disney is not planning any new production at this time. However, it is also clear that new content has already been produced which has not premiered yet. In other words, fans of the show still have more to look forward to, even though Disney has ended production on the current series.


  • IcyTea

    Was anyone surprised? It was just a series full of redundant plots, sometimes they changed the plots, but that was usually in “specials” or real specials.

    However, I should not deem this as a cancellation since it has been successful and there was nothing else for the show to continue on since their recent season has aired, their specials as the article stated have been completed, but isn’t P&F from 2007? Unless he worked in 2009 and calling it a “5-year run”.

    If anything, Disney just didn’t renew it because apparently “most [of] the Phineas and Ferb board artists are gone.”

    • Anonymous

      Well no one really had a problem with the formula until Dipper & Mabel came and took the spotlight from Phineas & Ferb for most popular Disney cartoon over the internet ( THOUGH Phineas & Ferb is still Disney Channel’s most popular show, it just isn’t as highly regarded with online cartoon fans as it was 3 years ago ).

      3 years ago, PAF was the most popular internet cartoon ( Competing with My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic which was relatively new at the time & a year old, & yes it was actually more popular than Adventure Time & Regular Show ) & on it’s way to having a SpongeBob type of success.

  • jonhanson

    Anyone have any idea why? I’ll admit I haven’t kept up on the ratings or anything but I still see that Platypus everywhere and the P&F Disney Infinity set is about to come out so I assumed it was doing OK.

    What’s next down the line as far as popular Disney cartoons? Gravity Falls?

    • Mark Neeley

      Yes, I think it’s easily GF. I could be wrong, but I don’t think Wander Over Yonder or Fish Hooks do nearly as well in the ratings.

    • Guest

      “What’s next down the line as far as popular Disney cartoons? Gravity Falls?”

      Don’t even joke about that!

      • jonhanson

        I didn’t mean as far as shows to get canned, I meant what show would become the new “It Cartoon” that gets a mountain of T-Shirts, Toys and general merchandising.

        • SarahJesness

          I hope Gravity Falls gets there soon. I want some Bill Cipher merchandise!

        • Funkybat

          After discovering Gravity Falls, I went on a merchandise hunt and found the selection lacking. The show itself only has six of the 20 episodes on DVD so far, I think Disney is testing the waters, the the problem is that show really pulls you in and has a rather exact continuity, so a full season or at least half-season set would make more sense.

          I know that if there is a full-season Blu-Ray I will preorder it as soon as it hits Amazon, and that if there are any funny tees or bags or figurines I will be grabbing those as well. Your move, Disney marketing!

          • Do It!

            Disney needs to release complete season or preferably series sets for all of their old shows (reasonably priced, of course) or just put them up to buy digitally.

    • culpeo

      Just looking at the ratings for the last four days on which both Phineas and Ferb and Wander Over Yonder had new episodes, they show that P&F still manages to hold most of Wander’s audience despite being on rather late (Wander itself benefiting from a strong 8:30 lead-in):

      Fri, 11/1:
      9:00 PM – 1.6/2765 (Wander)
      9:15 PM – 1.4/2413 (P&F)

      Fri, 11/15:
      9:00 PM – 1.3/1905 (Wander)
      9:15 PM – 1.2/1703 (P&F)

      Fri, 1/10:
      9:00 PM – 1.4/2037 (Wander)
      9:15 PM – 1.3/1750 (P&F)

      Fri, 1/24:
      9:00 PM – 1.3/2286 (Wander)
      9:15 PM – 1.3/2229 (P&F)

      Wander has benefited greatly from the fact that Disney’s Friday 8:30 timeslot is consistently at or near the top of its ratings charts on weeks in which it runs new episodes. This has given the show plenty of exposure, but its reruns don’t fare nearly as well, which suggests that its premieres may be overperforming to the extent that they benefit from their strong lead-ins.

      Disney’s scheduling policies are also to blame for Wander’s rerun troubles, particularly regarding its “11 new minutes every two weeks” protocol, which means current episodes of Wander are at risk of viewer fatigue. To compensate, Disney barely shows any reruns of the show at all, which, in turn, hurts its exposure.

      For example, for the most recent week of ratings across the Disney networks (2/3 – 2/9), Wander had exactly one timeslot: Saturday 9/9 @ 9:45PM on Disney Channel, where it performed a 0.9/1464 – good enough for 130th out of the 306 shows that were on Disney Channel that week. The week before, it had two timeslots: 1:00PM Friday and 1:45AM(!) Wednesday, both on Disney Channel (these timeslots finished 295th and 296th out of 303, respectively).

      To find the last time Wander was on Disney XD, you have to go back to the week ending 1/26 (coinciding with the last week in which it showed a new episode). It received seven timeslots and averaged a 0.2/251. By comparison, P&F, one of DXD’s bread and butter shows, had 28 timeslots on that channel over the same time period, averaging a 0.2/327.

      It’s possible that Wander’s reruns are underperforming due to viewer fatigue just as it’s possible its premieres are overperforming due to a strong lead-in audience.

      With respect to Phineas and Ferb, it’s possible that Disney is simply satisfied with a show that is capable of performing decently well over a large and diverse portion of its schedule, and sees no need to invest in new episodes given the show’s already-large back-library. Or maybe they realized it will never have the cultish appeal of shows like Spongebob, for example. Then again, its creators didn’t give up on the show for the 15 years before it was picked up, and if one of them says it’s not over, you have to believe they’ll fight to keep it alive.

    • SarahJesness

      Eh, a show can only go so long. Up until fairly recently, Disney Channel wouldn’t allow their shows to go over a certain number of episodes. (I think the limit was like, 52)

      • Funkybat

        I had heard 52 became the new “magic number” a while back, it used to be 65. I am not sure what that pertains to, the 65 number used to be for syndication, they needed a certain number of weeks to have in rotation. I think the “magic number” for saturday morning shows was 13, but the whole concept of “saturday morning” seems to have gone the way of the Walkman or VHS.

        • SarahJesness

          Yeah, though I don’t know if Disney Channel still enforces their “magic number” or not. Gravity Falls is the only Disney Channel show I’ve watched in YEARS. I’m told they broke the rule for Hannah Montana, which meant the rule was still in place then.

          • Funkybat

            I think the specific-number-of-episodes thing pertained mainly to animated programming. For instance, I don’t think the production company for “Saved By The Bell” was aiming for a specific number, but pretty much all of the old Saturday Morning cartoons and weekday syndicated shows had the respective numbers of 13 and 65 for a first season. Second seasons for Sat. morning were always another 13, weekday syndicated was usually far less than their initial season, maybe 20 or so. It eventually became 52 for a first season, and often no subsequent seasons. A lot of single-season shows in the late 90s it seems.

  • Wax

    Well, if an anonymous staffer is saying it, it must be official. Excellent reporting all the way around.

  • Jaktheparrot

    So it’s actually not official?

  • wever

    Jeff works on the show. He says it’s just on hiatus. You posted the tweet yourself. Calm down.

  • megadrivesonic

    Disney simply needs more cartoons, if their ever gonna get viewers back they need to move away from the tweencoms and go back to what their actually good at.

    • Funkybat

      I think the success of Gravity Falls and Wonder Over Yonder herald a return to more animated programming on Disney Channel and from Disney TV in general.

      I think Phineas & Ferb is probably a case of them wanting to move on, or at least give a rest, to a show that has been around a while. The quality of shows that go more than a few years can be hard to maintain. I think Kim Possible, which was also extremely popular, only had 5 or 6 seasons. It may also be a case of the creative folks involved wanting to move on to other things. From what I understand, the reason Powerpuff Girls ended is not lack of ratings or even lack of quality, but Craig McCracken and the other artists wanting to try something new after several years of the same thing.

      • Mesterius

        “Only” 5 or 6 seasons? That’s quite a lot of seasons, I’d say! KP was certainly very, very popular and had 4 seasons all in all. It was about to end after season 3 (65 episodes), but was resurrected thanks to fan petitions.

        • Funkybat

          Well, that was kind of my point. Kim Possible was probably even more widely popular than P&H and it had (apparently) only four seasons over the span of 6 years. That about matches other mega-hit shows like DuckTales and Batman The Animated Series. And it seemed like multi-year runs were more common in the early 90s than today. Phineas & Ferb had a solid run no matter what happens next. It’s hard to expect something like Spongebob and Rugrats, which are exceptions to the rule. I think the only thing comparable to those when it comes to longevity is Scooby-Doo, a show that has had multiple creative people in charge of it and appeals to multiple generations of kids, and shows no signs of “going away” any time soon.

      • Anonymous

        Actually, Gravity Falls and Wander Over Yonder themselves got greenlit because of the success of Phineas and Ferb. Several articles stated that it was Disney Channel’s first animated hit (not even Kim Possible reached to this) and because of that, Disney decided to greenlight more cartoons.

      • disqus_7PZsTxOngr

        It was because Phineas and Ferb’s success on Disney Channel that we got Gravity Falls and Wander in the first place. If it wasn’t for Phineas and Ferb, they would not exist at all.
        Basically, Phineas and Ferb started the return to more animated programming, not Gravity Falls and Wander.

        • Funkybat

          I’m not surprised. It was my understanding that Kim Possible was a huge hit, but that there were several shows in a row that either did OK (American Dragon) or not that well (Brandy & Mr. Whiskers, Dave the Barbarian) and that was part of the justification for the lull in Disney TV animation. Even though I am not really a P&F fan, I am glad that it was a hit and led to a resurgence of quality Disney TV animated shows.

    • jonhanson

      That may be what you think as an animation fan but if you look at the ratings highlights for Disney Channel all their success comes from tweencoms. (http://www.disneychannelmedianet.com/ratingsgrid/ratingsgrid_index.shtml)

      You may not like it but kids eat this stuff up and going by the numbers I could understand if the Disney Channel wanted to leave the animation game alone for the most part.

      • milojthatch

        Kids will eat up what is put in front of them for the most part. Give them quality animation and they will eat that up too!

    • Rafael goubaud

      well at least they have the mickey mouse shorts those are good

    • Skylander Kid

      First of all, there are still new episodes on Disney (Since July 11th) and on Disney XD (Since June 9th) so don’t listen to this because it’s a fake lie that some guy made up to upset us!!!

  • Jason

    Swampy is the co-creator of the sgow. If he says it isn’t ending, then it isn’t ending.

  • David Nethery

    To be fair, Steve Hulett never used the word “cancelled” on the TAG blog. (that word was used in the original version of this article on CB, now changed to “Production is Over On “Phineas and Ferb,” Future of Show Up in the Air”). He simply reported what a Disney staffer told him:

    • Ray Pointer

      That’s typical. The same thing happened when I was at Nickelodeon.

  • Funkybat

    I’m REALLY looking forward to the return of Gravity Falls. I finally caught up with the show around the time it returned from its mid-season break (thank goodness for DVRs) and was blown away. Out of the current animated TV series in production, it’s probably the one I would most love to work on. It’s great to see Disney TV doing really clever, fun, continuity-driven stuff again.

    As for P&F, I never could quite get into it, but I’m sorry to hear it is ending. Still, in today’s TV animation market, it had a VERY good run. Most shows over the past 15 years not named Spongebob haven’t gone more than three full seasons.

    • Anonymous

      Even SpongeBob itself originally ended after 3 seasons but it came back because of how well the merchandise was selling and it became really successful for Nickelodeon.

      Unless you’re FOP, SpongeBob, Adventure Time, Regular Show and more, I can’t see many cartoons lasting after 3 seasons. But I’m surprised to see this show end given it’s success for the channel.

      • Ray Pointer

        Yes, three seasons seems to be the average for non-prime time animated series. I worked on three that ran three years. Once they get the magic number of 120 episodes, they are satisfied.

      • jonhanson

        Remember when animation fans went crazy because Kim Possible was getting canned because it reached 65 episodes? When it comes to kids TV the traditional thinking has been that you don’t need that many episodes to keep it going for years in reruns and syndication.

        Your comment is a good reminder that long running shows tend to be the exception rather than the rule, although networks like Cartoon Network have changed the game in recent years.

        • Funkybat

          I suspect it will be a while until we see another children’s animated series that reaches 100 episodes like DuckTales or BTAS did.

        • Annoyed Animation Fan

          Cartoon Network? May I introduce you to Young Justice. 2 seasons of the most in depth plot and developed characters I have ever seen. They canceled it so suddenly that they didn’t even have time to change the season 2 finale. It was a giant cliffhanger that led into an entire new story. And I just want to get this in here. REALLY DISNEY?! Cancel Star Wars: The Clone Wars because you want your own Star Wars show. That could have told so many more stories about the clone wars and the plot the Sith put in place. Season 6 was only 13 episodes because of you and it was still riveting. I couldn’t even stop watching for a second it was so good and insightful. Huge mistake to cancel this for Rebels. It better have Starkiller and a conclusion to Darth Maul and Asokha Tano.

  • DarylT

    No I am sincerely not.
    MLP is great for what it is.
    Korra takes itself far too seriously to be any fun and is not as good as Avatar.
    Wander Over Yonder is cute but not a home run.
    Gumball is your basic dumb kid in school thing.
    Regular Show is full of lazy jerks and just throws odd references in that aren’t particularly funny.
    Adventure Time is just plain stupid, so very stupid.

    • Louis Gonzales

      Everything’s better than Korra! :D

    • jonhanson

      I disagree with you strongly, but I respect your opinion.

    • milojthatch

      I 100% agree with you! I think Phineas and Ferb is about the only modern kids show that doesn’t suck. I look back at when I was a kid and we had DuckTales, Batman: The Animated Series, Animaniacs, Tazmania, TaleSpin, Darkwing Duck, Tiny Toons and all the rest, and I really feel sad for today’s kids.

  • Funkybat

    I think Gravity Falls is in production for Season 2 right now. Wander Over Yonder has been a ratings success. There is no reason to think either of them are in immediate danger. I think P&F may have just run its course. Most animated TV series don’t run more then 2 or 3 seasons these days.

  • DarylT

    May be exaggerating a little. There are other good cartoons I watch and enjoy but Phineas and Ferb is special to me.

  • Anonymous

    I’m surprised that no one has commented on Swampy Marsh’s horrible behavior. Calling the union rep Steve Hulett an idiot in public like that is extremely unprofessional and ill-mannered. I’ve lost all respect for him. The union rep never said the show was cancelled anyway.

  • Jason Breslin

    I really hope it’s just a hiatus. I frickin’ love this show and would die if no more episodes were produced!

  • Arthur Fonzarelli

    Cartoon Network and nick always cancel shows too soon.

  • Milan P.

    Honestly, I wouldn’t be shocked if they actually DO end up hitting the can.
    In all fairness, the show IS great, with enjoyable characters, a formula that actually works well, good animation, an all around fun feel, and it was the first real show since Kim Possible that kicked the bloated asses of those pathetic, bullshit tweencoms.
    But…..it HAS been running for a long time. It’s had a TV movie, four seasons, a crossover with MARVEL COMICS (and an upcoming Star Wars one, mind you), and lord knows how much merchandising. If it runs on for TOO long, it’ll be bound to end up like Spongebob or the Fairly Oddparents, where the formula gets old, the characters become unlikable, and the humor becomes weak.
    If Jeff and Dan do decide to let go of the show, then I respect that. If they decide to keep the show going, then it’s perfectly fine, as long as, again, it doesn’t end up becoming an annoying formulaic show like Oddparents, or Thomas The Tank Engine and Friends (seasons 9-16 I mean).
    Besides, we have Wander over Yonder, Gravity Falls, the Mickey Mouse shorts, and that “Star and the Forces of Evil” show coming out this year, so we’re covered for good animated shows on the Disney Channel for the mo.
    And hey, look on the bright side:
    At least they’re not airing crap like Brandy and Mr. Whiskers anymore.

  • http://deaniac.deviantart.com/ Matt Dean

    I honestly wouldn’t mind if P&F were to end at this point. The first couple of seasons were brilliant, but I just progressively lost interest beyond that. It’s time to pass the baton over to the Pines twins and Wander.

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    • anonymous

      gravity falls is the reason why people stopped watching phineas and ferb

  • otterhead

    This is the first I’ve heard about this. So Gravity Falls is officially going to be only two seasons, no more?

    • Johnny

      Yep, although he says things could change. Here’s his reddit interview from last year where he mentions it along with announcing season 2 would take up to a year before it’s fully completed.

      http://www.reddit.com/comments/1kgq85

    • SarahJesness

      How long the show lasts is going to be more up to Disney Channel than Hirsch. If the show does really well, Disney Channel is probably going to produce new episodes regardless of Hirsch’s wishes.

    • Funkybat

      Hirsch seems to be happy with the idea of a finite series, how long that will be is probably dependent on the ratings for Season 2. I think he said he definitely wouldn’t want it to go more than 3. I’d be happy with four, but sometimes short and sweet is the way to go, not every show can be The Venture Bros., it’s easy to let things slide if it goes too long.

  • Double secret probation.

    “indefinite hiatus”…. that sounds like fancy producer double-speak. Somebody at Dreamworks should snatch this brilliant person up.

  • mike

    this sure is a bad call… nickelodeon would have milked this for a few extra billion in profit.

  • RCooke

    I’m surprised it’s lasted this long considering how poor the “writing” and “artwork” is. Still, with small children being less and less discriminating–it’s no wonder.

    • disqus_7PZsTxOngr

      Neither the writing or the animation is poor though most people’s eyes.
      When it comes to the writing, it is really top notch ad really creative.
      I can see why people can be half and half with the animation but it is good for it’s own style.
      And for the record, the reason why it lasted this long is because tons of people really enjoy this show.

      • Anonymous

        I also hate it when people call the show “childish” when there are plenty of jokes that kids wouldn’t get. Plus, it does have a wide appeal hence why the show was successful and has lasted as long as it has.

  • Myst AnimatorX

    That’s a pity. But maybe now they can make room for new, fresher stuff.

  • rick

    He didn’t have the right to insult Steve.

    • disqus_7PZsTxOngr

      If you knew, he posted a recent article on TAG blog regarding this whole fiasco. Apparently both Swampy and Disney had a problem with Steve in the past. They were mad at him for leaking the Star Wars crossover before it was announced.

      So in a way, he did have the right.

      • Mark Neeley

        Well, he “had the right” to be frustrated and correct the misreported information, and I can imagine having to correct such mistakes on multiple occasions is very frustrating. But to the original point, I’m not sure that engaging in schoolyard name-calling (multiple times, and even worse than just “idiot” according to that TAG post) with your industry’s union representative is a very mature/professional way of handling what was just an innocent mistake. It’s not like he was purposely posting bad information to stir something negative about the show, just reporting what he thought he learned from visiting Disney.

    • Musicfan1986

      Um, yeah he did!

  • jessed619

    I liked the first season of Phineas and Ferb, but after that the show went way down hill. It became to formulaic, like trying to be a new Scooby Doo. I stopped watching because I felt they had just run out of ideas and were just revamping old episodes over and over again. IMO, Adventure Time, Regular Show, and Korra are far superior shows.

    • Anonymous

      That’s very ironic because Dan and Swampy actually wrote the majority of the first season and left it to other writers after that. They are still involved with the production of the show and run it but they hardly write episodes anymore.

      Honestly, people will be happy that Phineas and Ferb will be cancelled (if it is) now but in 10 years, everyone will be saying how great the show was and how they want it to come back.

      • disqus_7PZsTxOngr

        Dan and Swampy did not write the majority of episodes in Season 1. They only wrote 14 episodes from Season 1, and Summer Belongs to You. The rest of Season 1 were written by other people.
        So no, Dan and Swampy did NOT write a majority of episodes of Season 1.

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  • disqus_7PZsTxOngr

    She never said it was the series finale.

  • Anonymous

    ^ THIS. Honestly no one (mostly) even complained about the show being formula driven until other “good” modern cartoons because before then, people acted like Phineas and Ferb was a godsend to animation. I also find it unfair that this show gets more flack than any other cartoon out there for being formula driven yet there’s more formula driven cartoons than this show that people like yet don’t get as much flack for it as Phineas and Ferb does. Unlike the other shows that are formula-driven, Phineas and Ferb’s formula is the joke and I don’t even think it’s repetitive. It’s just a structure for every episode, but there are plots going on in between them. That’s like saying Dexter’s Lab, Rugrats, SpongeBob SquarePants, Family Guy, South Park, The Simpsons, Foster’s Home For Imaginary Friends, Ren & Stimpy and even Hey Arnold to an extent are repetitive just because they have certain plot elements in every episode.

  • THORtilla

    i like this show… ANOTHER!!

  • jessed619

    I did watch the 2nd and 3rd seasons, and I just didn’t enjoy them the way I enjoyed the 1st season. Don’t get me wrong, I loved the first season, but I felt after that it lost its charm and I wasn’t motivated to watch anymore. Just my opinion though.

    • Musicfan1986

      Phineas and Ferb didn’t lose its charm to me.

      • jessed619

        And that’s your opinion. I’m entitled to mine, and you’re entitled to yours.

  • StephaneDumas

    It could be interesting to wish a crossover of Phineas &Ferb with Gravity Falls as a way for P&F to going out with a bang.

  • Matt Norcross

    Hopefully Walt Disney Animation Studios hires them to write some new theatrical material for Mickey Mouse (since Get a Horse! proved to be a hit), maybe that feature film Burny Mattinson was teasing back in 2011.

  • Funkybat

    Well, to be nakedly Capitalistic about it, it’s easier to market merchandise with animated characters on it than live-action tween stars. Animated characters are also more enduring, you won’t find too much “Hannah Montana” or “Jonas Bros.” stuff in a Disney Store these days. You can keep making and selling new Pooh or DuckTales or Tinkerbell stuff til’ the cows come home.

    Animated content that people enjoy and identify with is a better long-term investment.

  • sollum bitcjly

    Why is it that lately networks just air new episodes of TV shows inconsistently?

  • David

    I love this show (and I’m FORTY YEARS OLD) and regularly watch it with my kids (and oddly enough, sometimes without them if nothing else is on). It is funny, clean (rare for kids shows these days sadly) and smart enough to entertain almost everyone. If Disney doesn’t renew this jem then they clearly don’t know their audience.

    • disqus_7PZsTxOngr

      Well said.

  • Keri Burke

    I am so completely bummed by this news, this was my absolute favorite show. The writing, the characters, and the music were genius, my heart is heavy

    • disqus_7PZsTxOngr

      Do remember it isn’t over yet. Their are a lot of episodes coming out this year and next year, including the Star Wars crossover. Plus Swampy and Aliki said that the show isn’t over yet. They are waiting for what is to come for the show. Which could mean either a fifth season or a spinoff.

  • disqus_7PZsTxOngr

    That would not work because it would ruin the flow of the series.
    Plus all of the episodes, with a few exceptions NEED both the PnF story and the Perry story in one.

  • MoMoCHu5360

    Thing about animated shows is that when they get the ball rolling, they put so many episodes in the pipeline, which continue production whilst the series is both on and off air (off air=between seasons/repeats), and then eventually they have enough episodes for an entire season left un-aired, at that point people could either go on a break or they could leave and come back later on if another season is ordered.
    This often happens with Family Guy, American Dad and Futurama, when it was on the air. I’m not aware of the status of Cartoon shows though, but this proves that even on Disney it happens and the same probably goes for Cartoon Network and Nick.

    My guess is they’ll see how the new episodes fare this Summer, as well as the specials, and based on that they’ll either renew or cancel it.

    The problem with shows that have been on the air for so long is that salaries start to rise which obviously increases production costs and obviously as this rises, the value of the show will need to rise too, although in the case of cartoons, what they care about more is selling toys to children, but I’m not sure if that’s just a Cartoon Network thing (The cancellation of Young Justice).

  • Lou

    So whatever happened to the Phineas & Ferb movie? Was it ever made or will it be made?

  • Tristan

    Do not cancel Phineas and Ferb

  • disqus_7PZsTxOngr

    …Where do I start?

    First off, There are complex characters in Phineas and Ferb, Candace and Doofenshmirtz are huge examples of this. And there are several character relationships like Candace and her brothers and the Good vs. Evil relationship between Doof and Perry. One things, for sure none of the characters are flat as you say they are.

    Second, the songs are one of the things that makes the show good. A lot of people love them and they would listen to them. Also you mentioned that people would rather watch real writing and witty jokes instead of listening to the songs, except that the songs ARE well written and have witty jokes in the lyrics.

    Third, “It’s just very very very safe, and thus boring.”

    Did you even watch the show? The show doesn’t talk down to children and nothing in the show feels boring in the slightest.

    Also you just contradicted yourself. If you said that it is very, very, very safe and boring, Then why did you just praise the writing and jokes that appeal to all ages in the second sentence?!

    • SuperSlugger64

      Subjectivity pal, despite that your post drips with fanboysim, where do “I” start?

      Doof is quite easily the most complex character and even then his layers are thin. And Candace? She’s flat. Nothing to her at all. Just a seeming duality between a neurotic obsession with proving her older sibling status to her younger brothers and trying to shake her inability to have fun as a result of that neurosis. A better choice would be the bully, who’s varied background details and obstinate behavior often give life to a dull cast.. There are crepes with more layers than the main cast.

      Second, I don’t like the songs, that’s just blatant opinion and you really can’t use “makes the show good” as an argument if I simply disagree. They are childish to me, and I know that’s a stretch considering that technically the whole thing is “for children”, however, the writing in the rest of the show is leagues better than anything written in song form. They’re just catchy tunes set to awful choreography and flashing backgrounds to distract toddlers. It’s just a ploy they use to lure the children in. Needless to say, I don’t like them very much, I mute, change it, or leave the room for a snack when they come on because I know I have a solid 45+ seconds before they return to sensible writing.

      Third, it IS safe. They very rarely use conflict, real conflict, in any instance of their plots, god-forbid violence. They’re never in any REAL danger, there’s hardly a moment where they aren’t in control of the situation save for a few times in special episodes such as the movie. And the characters themselves, as per a result of being flat, don’t ever respond very realistically like they should. Phineas never gets mad, hell he rarely gets despaired. The entire supporting cast has more life and vitality than anything he or Ferb has ever produced.

      Further more, please try to learn what “contradict” means before spewing it blindly. I did not. It IS possible to be both well written, and boring. I can chuckle at a few witty jokes but feel the overall episode was lacking any intensity. Can you even comprehend that?

      I’m not trying to rag on this show, it has plenty of strong points, the writing is excellent and the show direction is spot on. It’s good stuff but you can’t really “get into” these shows with its flat cast of characters and formulaic plots. But that’s okay, its just not one of those shows and shows its strength in other areas such as creative story lines and intuitive writing and directing.

      Basically what you want me to do is say “this show is perfect.” When it isn’t. It’s got throwaway characters and kiddie pandering to be sure, its still all around really good. But hopefully now you can understand why its a “mixed bag” for ME, and if you can’t, I’m sorry your ego can’t handle that.

  • simplyawesome27

    Wait but wasn’t P&F the movie supposed to be cross the second dimension?