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Definitive Proof That Academy Voters Are Ignorant About Animation

Those of us in animation always gripe that the rest of Hollywood doesn’t care or know the first thing about animated films. There are tons of anecdotal stories to support this position, but finally, we’ve got some definitive proof. And if you think Hollywood doesn’t understand animation, it’s even worse than you could imagine.

The Hollywood Reporter recently published interviews with seven anonymous Academy members about how they voted for this year’s nominees. Four of the seven Academy members abstained from voting for best animated feature. The three that did vote all chose Frozen. Here is what each of them said:

Animated features are consistently more successful than live-action films in Hollywood, and yet, no respect. The animated short category didn’t fare better. Only one of the seven surveyed Academy members voted in the category (or spoke to THR about voting). Their excuses for not voting ranged from:

I got that coffin of a box from the Academy [with DVDs of the shorts in it], and the discs started falling out and I just said, “Screw it. Life’s too short.” I thought [sending them to us] was a nice thing to do, though.


I don’t watch the shorts. And, if I don’t know anybody who made one of them — a friend or an enemy — I just don’t vote, which was the case this year.

The one person who voted in the animated short category chose Get A Horse! even though they questioned ‘what was old footage’ and ‘what was new footage’:

It was kind of an off-year. I wasn’t bowled over. The Disney one I saw originally in 3D and then again in 2D. For people who didn’t see it on a big screen before Frozen and are only seeing it on a screener, it’s like watching Gravity in 2D. I’m a little unclear about what they did on that one — what was old footage, what was new footage — and I’m a little apprehensive about rooting for the giant. But I felt like I’d seen most of the others before — the [Room with a] Broom one I liked best of those.

  • Rafael Almeida

    It’s so outrageous that is hard to believe. If wasn’t posted here, I would think that was some kind of a joke or something…!

  • Saturnome

    Screw those oscar people! Here’s the Saturnome Awards nominees for 2013 (made or seen by Saturnome in 2013, because does it matter that much?):

    – Somewhere, Nicolas Ménard
    – Bee and PuppyCat, Natasha Allegri
    – Gloria Victoria, Theodore Ushev
    – Everything I Can See From Here, Sam Taylor & Bjorn Aschim
    – The Jump, Charles Huettner (from Ghost Stories)
    – Man Spaghetti, Felix Colgrave
    – Palmipédarium, Jérémy Clapin
    – Hound, Olivia Blanc & Marion Delpech
    – Oh Willy…, Emma De Swaef & Marc Roels
    – WIND, Robert Loebel
    – Feral, Daniel Sousa

    And they all win!

    • Alex Stanlake

      I’ve only seen Bee and PuppyCat (which was amazing), I’ll watch the rest and get back to you with my vote!

    • Grace

      Ahh Bee and Puppycat. and The Jump. and WIND. All are so amazing!

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  • Mark Mayerson

    If we ever found out what percentage of votes the winner in each category received, I’m sure it would cause a scandal.

  • WriterofthePlains

    Pathetic. But to be fair, I saw one of these interviews a year or two ago and the anonymous voter was just as ignorant about EVERY category. Such is Hollywood.

  • Taco

    The above article is a sad state of affairs. Just imagine if, as an acting Academy Member, you actually had to Quality to VOTE for a particular category with the Oscars. ie:
    (1) Actually have either an INTEREST or an informed opinion to vote for Best Animated Feature, or Short, or Best Actress, etc.
    (2) Actually be required to have watched all the nominees fully, from start to finish.
    (3) Not necessary, but if you did have a professional status or accreditation IE: an Academy Member who was actually an Animator at some point, or Film Critic, etc… your vote could maybe be like that of a “Superdelegate” carrying the deciding factor if the collective academy votes come out too close between popular candidates.

    Those are just some thoughts that might help strengthen the legitimacy of the Voting process for the Academy in such ‘backwater’ categories as Animation (both shorts & features). Otherwise, you could always just let the bastards & the sh*ttiness of the current voting process win & say… … and leave it at that.

  • Austin Papageorge

    I thought voting was limited to the category of expertise of the voter. What category are these dufuses in?

    • eviltaxi

      Every member can vote for every category. Only five of said categories requires the member having seen all of the movies nominated.

  • Kit

    Shame. I really think The Wind Rises was a better film overall.

    • GENARO

      I would think that, because of the non-formulaical ending and developement it would stand a chance. Shamefully this article proves the low interest the academy has in these things. And the obvious winner was the trendy movie.

    • GEH

      I thought Ernest et Celestine was a good film. I truly loved it and I was hoping it would win. I watched Wind Rises and wanted the movie to win too. >.<

  • Anson J

    I thought Ernest and Celestine and Feral were amazing. But I’m not an Academy voter. Frozen didn’t really do much for me. Have yet to see Mr. Hublot.

  • Amused and Saddened

    Wow…just wow. One voter thinks all animation is for 6-year olds, and another voter thinks that they were all pretty much the same? Hollywood is in serious need of an animation education. Not that they’ll necessarily listen, of course.

    • Ant G

      I think its a valid stereotype and in order to get the oscars interested in animation, we should widen or scope and stop making movies that all look the same because they target the same child or child-minded audience. Of course the artists are all on board, the execs who still see how profitable it is to continue this formula would rather not change a thing except ship more jobs oversees and garner even more profit

      • Meg

        Ummm have you even seen The Wind Rises? It was one of the movies nominated for best animated feature. It will totally shatter any misconceptions you have about animation “looking the same” or “targeting child-minded audiences”. Those who think this way truly have not experienced the immense scope of stories that animation has to offer.

        • Nick Yoichi Ogino

          Problem with your argument is that Wind Rises is made in Japan, where animation is WAY more broad in categories than American animation. Somehow the USA loves to stay with a bunch of animations catered to children and the reason why adult jokes or humor is subtle. UP and Paranorman did some amazing things introducing more adult themes and situations, but overall it was meant to appeal to kids.

          • Anonymous

            Are you serious? I’ve been to animation festivals and I’ve seen plenty of American animations that aren’t for kids. Some of Cartoon Network’s Adult Swim late night animations also have stuff for adults as well. So the USA isn’t COMPLETELY swamped with children’s animation. Just saying.

          • Mali

            Japan broad with animation? What? Seriously, I could name at least ten
            different anime all with the same story and style! Everyone seems to
            think all the animators over there are Satoshi Kon and Miyazaki, but
            they’re not.

          • Churze

            I don’t get way animated movies are so afraid to stray from this limited path. Very few American animated movies are actually deep, with a few exceptions like UP. I do believe Pixar is very respectable though, and I rarely get the “this is for kids” feeling from their movies. Of course everyone is to afraid to watch animated films from Japan though…

        • Ignoranimus

          I think Ant G was more referring to American-produced animation. It’s telling that the only recent animated movies that are taking chances on more mature themes and style are international.

          • Guest

            Not ALL are international.

        • Guest

          Hayao’s movies tend to be “the same” similar flight theme btw which gets boring after awhile. I see how he likes it, but it’s time to do something else because it’s getting monotonous and one noted. I hardly think he shatters and of these “misconceptions” you’re referring to.

        • Leon Evelake

          THe Wind Rises was nominated this year and was beautiful mature about personal passion and professional dedication. Along with a tragic and touching romance. Made by a master Director.

      • sabretruthtiger

        You may have a point as other genres that also cater to more juvenile subject matter such as superhero movies also get snubbed at Oscar time.
        This is not a fault with such movies as critics tend to be pretentious twats more concerned with their artistic pseudo-credibility than enjoying a movie for what it is.

        • luca

          what`s interesting is that while it`s true that the academy snobs movies with a somewhat juvenile subject matter they definitely also consistently snob more intellectual or avant garde films. their taste is not pretentious, just boring. animation may get dismissed too easily but I don`t see gaspar noe or lars von trier winning any oscars any time soon either

          • guy guyson

            Gaspar Noe’s films are not going to win awards like this. For lack of a better word they are too much. They’re brilliant films but crazier than a tree full of primeates on pcp

        • Mapache

          I though Frozen has an 89% score in rotten tomatoes.

          • Anonymous

            That’s just one sites view of the film. It’s not. It doesn’t speak for everyone. I loved Frozen despite the score. I don’t let a website dictate what I should and shouldn’t see. I decide for myself.

        • Laura Truxillo

          True. Behold Pacific Rim’s epic Oscar Snubbing. Not a single thing for visual effects or sound or any of those categories. Lone Ranger got a VFX nom, but Pacific Rim misses out? Whaddaya wanna bet that most of the voters just didn’t bother to watch it because, “Eh, it’s just robots, so what, it’s Transformers?”

          • Guest

            Pacific put me to sleep towards the end. I’m glad it wasn’t nominated.

        • nevilleross

          How true, and somebody talked about this last year:

          In need of a new script: Five ways to
          liven up the Oscars

      • Grandad Freeman

        It’d be awesome of some people could just,
        Get together in an office, make a decent script where it’s a fast paced thriller. (not a save the princess or happy-go-lucky story). Do NOT advertise it as an animation. People watch it and surprised how deep and meaningful the movie actually is. THEN get the shock that they watched an animation. It’d surprise everyone and win awards.
        ((maybe something set in reality))
        We need to get people on board with animation…

        • Grace

          I was about to say Pacific Rim but well, that’s /based/ off of anime and the kaiju movie genre..I’m mad about that one not winning anything as well as The Wind Rises..

          • Duder NME

            I was hoping that Le Congres would get a nom nod for Ari Folman. Waltz With Bashir managed to garner attention fine enough.

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          • nevilleross

            Which (and correct me if I’m wrong) was a failure.

        • Duder NME

          I’ve thought about the effect of this marketing approach as well, and it could be possible if portrayed with certain shots from the film, using narration and realistic CG to get the story’s point across. Though how to mask its true identity until the premiere from IMDb, Variety, and the like would be the true hurdle.

      • Amy Mica

        Sorry, this was a dumb comment. The intended audience does not dictate the /actual/ audience. The film was created and marketed maybe 75% towards children, but there are adults (and teens) seeing it too – women, and men, and YES a lot of people WITHOUT CHILDREN (including myself, and many people I know). And even taking the audience into consideration, does that cancel out the thousands of cumulative hours of work, effort, and detail that went into the writing and visual creation of the animated movies? Not just talking about Frozen here, but about any and all animated films. The work and vision that goes into them is phenomenal, and done by very dedicated and skilled crews of people who don’t get paid even a fraction of the amount that say, Matthew McConaughey, gets paid for his acting. So do they deserve recognition? Yes. Do they deserve RESPECT from the very people who are supposed to know all of this already? HELL YES. This has been a comment, good day.

    • Darkside_Hero

      #5 said he liked the all the same, that’s not the same as saying they are all the same. It’s actually valid excuse for abstaining.

      • Duder NME

        He should’ve rolled a d10 and divided by 2.

        • Chänz Mikkael Høris

          haha ^_^

      • Avacado

        Think about it though: do you really think they would have said they abstained from voting for Best Picture because they liked all of those movies ‘the same’?

    • Mora

      And don’t even talk about the first voter leaving his (or her) son alone watching the movies while he (or she) made phone calls…

      • Laura Truxillo

        Oh, yeah, because an unaccompanied 6-year-old at a movie is always a freaking treat. I love that aside from making themselves sound pretentious and out-of-touch, they also just sound like a magnificent self-absorbed a-hole as well.

    • Amnerikan Cretin

      Animated feature pick number 1 person also is a horrible human. Leaving a 6 year old unattended in the theater because they are too petty to watch a film with their kid. Glad that was not my parent when I was growing up.

    • kjohn

      They should have separate voters for the animation awards- voters who are animators or have worked in the animation field.

  • Alex Dudley

    Can’t say I’m surprised. I’ve been passionate about animation my whole life, and part of life is knowing that almost everyone thinks animation is just dumb stuff for little kids.

    • Daemos

      they should watch some anime the shows and the stand alone movies not attached to a series some of that stuffs definitely not for kids

      • red_zone

        Make them watch ‘Grave of the Fireflies’.

        THAT’LL shock some reality into them.

        • Dusty Ayres

          How so?

          • red_zone

            It takes place in Japan during and after WW2 and focuses on a teenage boy and his little sister after their mother dies of illness. Lots of famine going on in those days, especially after the atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki VERY grim, VERY sad, and there is NO happy ending to this.

            Watch it. But keep a few boxes of tissues at hand.

  • Toonio

    The sad thing about the members of the academy is that they are the same that try to point at the gap and holes of the industry. Yet they keep feeding gas to the fire.

    Whoever says Frozen is a smart movie is just plain ignorant of cinema as an art.

    I’ve seen every critic worth his salt rip Frozen inside out, and no artist from Disney has been able to refute any of the critics claims because even them are aware of their own flaws and they are just puppets in the Disney way to distort reality.

    • Austin Papageorge

      You just sound like a snob with a conspiratorial view on the industry. Of course, this is cartoonbrew, so that’s expected.

      “and they are just puppets in the Disney way to distort reality.” ppppthpt!

      • Whatever

        They do have a point, though. All the voters interviewed just picked Frozen because it was the only one they knew about. And they knew about it because it was a Disney feature. None of them even mentioned considering the other movies. It’s not much of a conspiracy if that’s literally what happened.

        • Austin Papageorge

          “It’s not much of a conspiracy if that’s literally what happened.”

          “and they are just puppets in the Disney way to distort reality”

          There’s more to reality than Oscar voting, you know.

          The snob aspect comes when toonio implies that it’s somehow an objective fact that Frozen is a bad movie.

          “Whoever says Frozen is a smart movie is just plain ignorant of cinema as an art. I’ve seen every critic worth his salt rip Frozen inside out”

          And the contention that the Disney artists who don’t shit on the film are part of the sinister Disney plan to distort reality, whatever the fuck that means:

          “and no artist from Disney has been able to refute any of the critics
          claims because even them are aware of their own flaws and they are just
          puppets in the Disney way to distort reality.”

          And really, none of toonio’s post specifically addresses what was in the original post.

      • Ryan McKenzie

        This is not snobbery.

        I enjoyed Frozen but it’s formulated structure has been used again and again and again.

        It’s no question that Disney and their following trends continue to sustain animated film as a crippled art form, culturally acceptable for kids and family audiences.

        Or as Roger Ebert had said: “Movies made for everybody are actually made for nobody in particular.”

        • IJK

          It’s Disney’s formula though. Why shouldn’t they be allowed to use their own formula, especially when they’ve left it alone for over a decade? It’s only recently that they decided to bring it back with Princess & the Frog and Tangled (And now Frozen).

          Not saying Disney invented this princess formula, but are definitive most known for it.

          And really, every movie follows a formula in some way. All of Pixar’s films follow the standard hero journey.

          Most Superhero films follow the same formula of “Origin in 30 minutes then the big bad for the last hour”.

          Steven Spielberg definitely follows the same formula for all of his films, they all have a very “traditional” feeling to them. He’s never going to break out and decide to make something like the Kuchar Brothers would. And many directors also have their own little personal touches that you can see throughout all of their films.

          Disney just has their own style of doing things at a large scale, if they follow their own formula and people like it over Wind Rises or Ernest & Celestine, why are they wrong? No one ever said the latter was bad, just that the former was good.

    • nevilleross

      All that I liked last year and this year was The Croods, Rise Of The Guardians and The Lego Movie. I’m not so sure about Frozen-it looks the same any anything out there from the USA.

    • nevilleross

      Just as a matter of info, can you provide links to these critics and their reviews?

  • damn…

  • Frank

    That doesn’t really seem fair, animated or not they didn’t even bother to look at the other pieces.

  • CC

    Regarding the person who voted for Get a Horse!, “I’m a little unclear about what they did on that one – what was old footage, what was new footage”


  • Mindy

    The first voter’s answer is really funny because obviously The Wind Rises is a movie suited for six year olds. Obviously.

  • M.V

    I’m not seeing the need for outrage. It sounds like those who are apathetic or don’t understand simply abstained from voting. Isn’t that what we would want? It would be pretty ridiculous to expect everyone out of the hundreds of Academy members to understand every aspect of film making.

    I think a little perspective is needed here.

    • Kinzy

      The first person didn’t even make an effort, along with sounding like a complete ass at the same time. There was a total of 3 out of 7 votes though. C’mon let’s be real, that’s pretty unfair.

  • Kate

    How does the Oscar voting system even work anyway? Is it done by average people or by a secret group of prestige people in the film industry?

    • Canuckle

      The “short list” , which is the movies that end up actually vying for the award , is voted on by the Academy members who work in that discipline. They vote from a larger list of features. After the short list is announced then the rest of the Academy members , from all disciplines, get to vote for the winner.

  • Another example, along with Frozen winning, of why the Oscars don’t matter.

    • Fernando Garcia


    • CascadeWvera1

      Only 7/6000. It doesn’t even calculate to 1%.

      • Anonymous

        Same. Besides, Brave won last year.

  • I thought the reason you participated in the Academy voting was because you had a passion for the analysis and magic of the movies, as expressed by Billy Crystal at the 84th Academy Awards. If you are going to say that animated movies are only for six year olds, and that they aren’t worth watching, then why even consider participating in voting, or getting a license for it. If you are going to watch “sophisticated” movies and ignore the ones that are not box-office hits, then what is the point? You are representing the most prestigious, most valued, and most revered awards for anyone in the film business, and you aren’t even going to take it seriously? Shame on these people, because they have no right to come here and say that they love film if they are going to dismiss an entire genre simply because it is too ‘childish’.

    • GraceWellington

      I think that part of the problem is that people consider animation a “genre” instead of just being a different art form. There are different genres within that form — you can make an animated comedy, musical, horror movie, or a drama — just like with everything else. They feel they can dismiss it because they assume the tone of all the films are the same, even if they aren’t. (Not to attack your comment, because I agree with you! Just felt this should be said.)

      • nevilleross

        Only one genre is seen in American animated movies (guess what that one is); that’s why the Academy members don’t seem to care. We need to change that in North America.

  • Lillian

    What infuriates me the most, is this is their job, to watch and vote on films and they can’t even bother to watch the shorts or movies? They’re too good to do their own job because the films are animated? Thats just outright lazy and shameful. Shame on all of them.

    • Well it’s not their job, it’s their privilege. They don’t get paid for it. I can see how committing to watching 7 hours of animation could be a lot for a busy person in Hollywood, especially when there are tons of hours of other films that they can watch in order to vote in other categories. If animation isn’t something they are interested in enough to watch all the nominees, I can respect their decisions to abstain from voting. For instance, I probably wouldn’t commit to watching all of the foreign language films – I don’t think that’s “lazy and shameful” – it’s just a personal choice I have the right to make.

      • milojthatch

        I’m sorry, but that just doesn’t cut it. Yes, these voters don’t get paid, but they do take upon them the responsibilities to watch all of the nominees. If they can’t do that due to being busy or they just don’t care, they should pass the responsibility that will take it more seriously. Otherwise, they cheapen the whole thing.

        • I just can’t see this point of view. There are probably over 100 hours of film if you were to watch all of the nominees in every category. Academy members never committed to doing that, nor were required to, so I do not see why everyone is insisting it is their “responsibility.” To me, the only thing they are responsible for is watching all the nominees in a category if they are going to vote in that category, which the article indicates the voter was doing.

          The Academy isn’t a panel of film critics. They’re working artists with their own sets of interests and time constraints. If they don’t want to watch animation, I still appreciate that they take time to vote in categories that do interest them. Just because we enjoy animation doesn’t mean everyone in Hollywood is required to.

          • cck1

            here’s the thing- you are calling it animation- not film. And here lies the problem.

          • Mindy

            Yet they are given months in advance to watch these films. Months! To find an hour here and there are see the films that they are going to be voting on. What they are doing ignoring what they deem as juvenile, is insulting to those that created the animation and to the people at home who take time out of their busy schedules to watch the award show.

          • pm

            wait but then how is it fair that a movie doesn’t win b/c the voters just decided not to watch it?

      • Lillian

        They shouldn’t take on responsibilities they cannot handle, not watching them all is one thing, not watching any and saying its because their childish is another. One person watched one of the shorts? That’s insanity, if a person does not have time to do the the job or privilege in even the smallest degree they should not accept it.

        • They didn’t accept it. They abstained from voting in the category. It’s not their responsibility to vote in every category.

        • Tim

          Only one person said animation was childish.

          Another saw two of the nominees and abstained.

          The other did not list how many he did not see, just that he “didn’t see them all”.

          So two out of the three who admitted to not seeing them all actually followed your line of “not watching them all is one thing”. They didn’t watch them all. Just some.

          It was just the one guy being a jerk and some people who are familiar with him would know he’s awful for every catergory.

      • luca

        wait, why wouldn`t you watch the foreign language movies? that seems like an odd category to skip as there are all sort of foreign language films. what`s the difference between a movie produced in america and one abroad? unless you really hate subtitles I guess.

      • AnimationGuy

        Not good enough of an excuse. I have some busy colleagues who would jump at the chance to watch so many films and vote on them for the academy.

      • Hayden Miller

        Well, doesn’t that make the oscar voting system seem a bit RIDICULOUSLY flawed if the voters are required to do it because of their job, and not required to give any of the nominated films a single viewing?

      • nevilleross

        Then as I’ve said above, there should be a paid staff of people who will watch all of the films in a given year in whatever genre they’re interested in (notice I said paid) so that the best stuff is nominated, or at least, everything’s viewed and nothings’s left behind to be discarded come awards time.

      • Pixelsnader

        If you don’t have the time, decline the privilege. It’s very simple. Don’t just half-ass your responsibilities.

      • PumpkinDoodles

        I know I wouldn’t be able to watch so many movies even if I am given months. Things would dull after a while I would think. But I still sort of side with most of the people on here saying it’s not really fair to the categories and I like the idea of having lots of people, splitting them into groups, and having those groups vote on their assigned categories. But thank you for a different perspective Brett! I really needed it, I was getting kind of feisty.

    • Charlie

      It bugs me that they aren’t required to at least try and watch all of the films before voting in a category. I was reading one of these QnAs earlier and one of the voters didn’t bother watching 12 Years a Slave because ‘they knew how bad it was for black people’ and they didn’t want that bad stuff in their head. But they still voted in categories containing a movie they deliberately chose not to watch! I can understand that some voters might not want to watch some films if they’re particularly violent or whatever, but it’s hardly fair to vote for another film as better simply because you haven’t seen it.

    • member of the academy

      It isn’t a job, most academy members volunteer their time.

    • nevilleross

      That’s why we need to change the system to this proposal of mine instead;

      *All of the people who select the Oscars will be paid employees of the Academy who would be the only ones with the power to nominate what films are to be awarded (there would be about 400-500 people employed thus, paid out of a special fund set up by the academy and the major studios, as well as donations)

      *These people would be cineastes who are knowledgeable about all film, and about all genres of film (as opposed to the people mentioned in the article who know nothing about film at all)

      *These people’s jobs would be to watch all of the films in a given year in the genre that they’re a specialist in (horror, sci-fi, drama, comedy, romance, war, documentary, action/adventure, animation [including anime], and foreign)

      * As with the first point, what these people decide is final.

      This is the only way (IMHO) we can get fair awarding of movies at the Oscars.

    • red_zone

      Seriously, that needs to be a rule; if you’re not going to bother watching, then you are NOT allowed any vote and lose your spot on the Academy. End of story.

      Do NOT insult the people who make these films with your laziness.

  • Guest

    I don’t know how true is this, but if it is then thats just ridiculous and sad. And for them to be able to call Frozen special, empowering, inspiring and INTELLIGENT? I’m pretty sure none of these so called long time Oscar voters even watched Disney Pixar films like Up and Toy Story 3.

    Oh and still not having Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Rebellion on the list is injustice.

    • The7Sticks

      That and Mamoru Hosoda’s Wolf Children. It just boggles the mind how those films get passed over for more cookie-cutter, if not intermittently entertaining, films.

      • Wolf Children wasn’t eligible for a nomination.

        • Chris

          Why wasn’t Wolf Children eligible?

          • Barty Jordan Androcles

            Funimation probably didn’t bother to promote it since Summer Wars had such a low box office given how limited the screenings were when Eleven Arts was in charge of them and it just slipped into the nominations. :P

      • nevilleross

        The people who vote for movies aren’t die-hard otaku.

        • Barty Jordan Androcles

          You don’t need to be an OTAKU to enjoy Madoka Magica.

          You could very well HATE most anime and find some comfort and insight from the themes, characterization and storyline of Madoka Magica as anyone who has at least seen Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop, Fullmetal Alchemist and/or Serial Experiments Lain and Akira would enjoy those as great works of fiction and art regardless of them being anime.

    • CascadeWvera1

      They described Frozen as those things AS ITS OWN FILM. Sure, Up and Toy Story 3 are all of those things too, but it doesn’t mean Frozen can’t be on its own. It’s not like anyone said ‘Frozen is better than Up and Toy Story 3’.

  • cr0wnest

    I don’t know how true is all this, but if it is then thats just ridiculous and sad. And for them to be able to call Frozen special, empowering, inspiring and INTELLIGENT? I’m pretty sure none of these so called long time Oscar voters even watched Disney Pixar films like Up and Toy Story 3. No wonder my dad was telling me the Oscars is bull and he doesn’t care about watching it anymore.

    Oh and still not having Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Rebellion on the list is injustice.

    • accioharo

      Madoka Magica Rebellion does not make any sense without previous knowledge of the franchise. Even if they did watch it, it would be nonsense to them.

    • Anonymous

      Late, I know. But I don’t see what the big deal is. Maybe they called Frozen that as it’s own film? NOT comparing it to Toy Story 3 and Up? That aside, I really like Toy Story 3 and Up, but do find them a little overrated. Toy Story 3 was a sequel made more for the fans. As much as I like Up, I don’t feel like it’s as emotional as everyone says. It literally becomes comedy train when Russell shows up.

  • veeeSix

    Is there a separate Oscars-type awards show specifically focused on animated movies? At least get people that care about the industry to judge the films, rather than the general public that thinks that Pokemon and Disney are the end all and be all of cartoons and animation.

    • Alfredo Díaz

      yeah, the Annie Awards, every year since i think like 45 years ago

      • Barty Jordan Androcles

        Except the Annie Awards only had ONE of the Japanese anime films, and that was Wind Rises. Which ALSO lost to Frozen. So there ya go.

  • Theo Heisenberg Constantine

    im totally not surprised most of the awards handed out were to movies that didnt deserve it. this is really disheartening. my first issue i had was “why is the croods nominated and not monsters university?” then the awards started and man they were off on so many awards. gravity for best directing….. really? a movie about astronauts falling around in space is the best directing? so the animation i cant believe this shit.

  • @SarcasticSloth

    And people say animation in Japan is a dying industry.
    Animation in America is deader than disco.

    • Ben

      Did you just say animation in America is dead? After frozen just made like a billion dollars. I don’t think you even know what you’re saying.

      • Rayberay

        I think what she’s referring to is old-fashioned, TWO-DIMENSIONAL animation that Disney became famous for. (Myself, I definitely am a fan of this medium over 3D animation. I wish that Frozen had been rendered in 2D).

        • nevilleross

          2D animation is declasse for a lot of reasons; most of it’s only done overseas, it takes too much time to do as compared to CGI animation, and most of it is done here in North America. Also, depending on the type of CGI animation used, it can give off great details just like 2D animation can (take a look at Tangled and the detail given to things like Rapunzel’s bare feet, and you’ll see what I mean.) To paraphrase a certain alien ambassador aboard a famous space station, ‘The avalanche has started; it is too late for the pebbles to argue.’

    • Fernando Garcia


      May I talk with you privately, please?

    • Rayberay

      Good thing it’s experiencing a boom in Europe! Between seeing Ernest and Celestine and The Secret of Kells, I’m slowly discovering the awesomeness that is European animation.

      • Tchip

        Europe have a great taste for traditionnal animation, and I think it has interesting art direction but it really, really lacks a lot of story telling skills. Take “The secret of Kells”: it’s damn pretty and damn boring.
        “Ernest and Celestine” is an exception though, I found the story very well written.

        • Joris

          I don’t think it’s a lack of story telling skills, rather than (story telling) budget. There’s just no time to keep on re-writing and re-boarding the whole thing since there are usually a multiple studios involved spread over a couple of countries, who all depend on a tight scheme so they can meet their own obligations to investors, etc. Sadly this means that movies are often being put in to full production too early.
          Also, the fact that they usually try to tackle stories in a not so formulaic way makes the ride even bumpier.

          But slowly and surely it is maturing and I hope movies like Ernest and Celestine are just the beginning.

  • Tom

    Not to be one for details or anything, but 7/~6000 is basically a drop in the bucket statistically speaking. That is 0.12% of the total voters. This is just lazy reporting. This isn’t definitive, it’s basically showing a very select minority. While it is probably true that many members of the Academy need instruction on animation, to use these 7 as a sample set and to claim they are representative of all nearly 6k members is laughable.

    • Charlie

      This is true- perhaps the kind of people who are willing/ more available to do these kinds of interviews happen to be the kinds of people who tend towards certain viewing and voting habits. Though it’s a little concerning that the Academy seem fine with some of their members being quite lazy in their voting.

  • Hatake Kakashi

    And I give a fuck why?

  • Daemos

    is 1 of them the snail from turbo cause i would bet on him over the horse

  • AJ

    Why should we even care about the awards? Animation is currently at its all time peak; we have more feature films than ever before, the supply for animators surpasses the demand (Which was reversed in the 90’s), and animation tends to top the box office.

    Pixar is one of the most highly regarded studios out there (For film as well, not just animation), current animated sitcoms are typically more popular than live-action ones (Simpsons, Family Guy, Futurama), and animation is apparently such a big draw at the box office than many studios are creating sub divisions for it just for the money (And while that may sound bad, it’s flattery the same way imitation is. Kind of a filthy compliment).

    Animated film festivals in big cities are increasing, as well as their selection. Art schools with animation majors have been getting more and more applications each year…

    Like, it’s one thing to just be insulted by the first anonymous guy, but it’s another thing to take the awards super seriously and almost feel dependent on them to validate your profession.

    Animation is already doing super well and it’ll only get better, why do we need the Oscars to tell us we’re not worthless? Disney and Pixar will still be box office smash hits, the interest in animation will continue to increase, and more foreign films will make their way to U.S. soil… Even if a million people thought animation was a joke, that’s still a dent compared to how incredibly popular the medium is right now. And it’s only growing.

    • nevilleross

      Animation is apparently such a big draw at the box office than many studios are creating sub divisions for it just for the money

      I only wish that a certain media company’s premier sci-fi franchise could be made into an animated TV series (perhaps as a cornerstone of a new Saturday morning block?)

  • Thanatos2k

    These “members of the academy” should be fired for not doing their job.

  • Thanatos2k

    Let me guess, these same people think video games are only for kids too?

    Give it 30 years, these idiots will all be dead and people who care will be voting, finally.

  • Mister Twister

    Save us, Europe!

    • nevilleross

      How? Not everybody wants to see movies from Europe.

      • Rayberay

        Europe is one of the few places that traditional animation is making incredible breakthroughs and is still thriving, so we get movies like “The Secret of Kells” AND “Ernest and Celestine”, which in my opinion should have won Best Animated Feature. Too bad the English dub came too late…

  • truteal

    The Majority of academy voters focus on live action films

  • Blehhhhh

    I’d like to thank the Academy… for demonstrating to me why their awards shouldn’t carry any weight. I don’t know if the douchebag who was too cool for cartoons after age 6, or the dullard who thought that Frozen was the best (and thus has generic-as-fuck taste) is more infuriating.

    • IJK

      “or the dullard who thought that Frozen was the best (and thus has generic-as-fuck taste)”

      Well if I met two people on the street, one who liked generic things and the other who looked down at people for liking generic things, who do you think I would rather hang out with?

  • Michael Howe

    In the words of Iago (I quote this a lot these days): “Why am I not surprised?”

    It reminds me of an interview I saw where they talked to a guy who was scheduled to vote on a bill. He shows this huge ream of paper: “This thing is 300 pages long…who has time to read all of this?”

    I joke that in some cases, I bet the voters just give the discs to their kids and say, ‘watch these, and tell me which of them you thought was best.’

    It seems most of these voters are like the people I went to high school with, thinking they’re too cool or don’t want to waste their time on animation, that they can’t even find anything in it that could even possibly connect with them.

    This does make me question how they also vote in other categories. I doubt some even take stuff like editing or cinematography seriously. And is it me, or do they just look for the most ostentatious outfits and just say, ‘Production Design/Costume Design win…DONE!’

  • LarryBundyJr

    If these judges think animation is for 6 year olds, then they have no place in judging movies at all.

    A clear cut case that they have prejudice and no knowledge in what they are judging.

  • timmyelliot

    7 out of 6000 random academy members is a tenth of one percent. Seven is insignificant. I don’t think we should we should jump to any assumptions.

  • illustratographer

    All corporate American studios, live action and animation, make their films based on what they think will yield the most $$$. Money is the deciding factor behind all these decisions. It’s why lead actors are usually attractive white people, why animated movies are targeted for kids, why A-list celebs are handed roles they can’t pull off, etc.

    No way in hell would Disney or Pixar make an animated film that’s not rated PG or G because hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake and these studios are looking to profit.

    If you want the Academy see animated films seriously, then these studios have to start making some gorgeous PG13/R-rated animated films with deep stories, and it has to be a box office hit.
    OR, a brave independent team has to make a feature-length animated passion project, and do it for the love of storytelling and not expect to profit (but you might if you get a lot of media attention and publicity for shaking things up).

    Basically the Academy, American animation studios, and the moviegoers are all perpetuating this ignorance because of $$$.

    Much respect to Studio Ghibli.

    • nevilleross

      The studios making said movies would piss off parents who think that all animation is just for kids (obviously, they’ve never hard of films like this movie, this movie, or this movie.) The sad rub is, even if an independent animation studio make a move like you’ve described, the general public (and press) will treat them as “dirty Disney flicks” that are “mature” only for depicting sex, drugs and profanity.”
      As painful as it has been to have this happen, Saturday morning animation needs to die off completely so that people can grasp what animation can be, freed from the expectation that ‘it’s only for kids.’ Also, American animators need to travel to Japan and spend time at places like Studio Ghibli to learn how to tell stories OTHER than ones about princesses and princes/talking animated animals.

  • Ravenheart

    An outrageous disgrace. This only further proves the fact the Oscar people do not care for art at all.

  • Charlie

    I’m not sure it’s fair to say that the movie needs to be flawless to win. Lots of great movies have flaws in them, even if they’re only small ones like minor continuity errors. (Though, I can’t tell if you’re referring to story flaws or animation flaws).

    I agree it’s frustrating when something that appears to have been rushed out wins over something that clearly had a lot of time devoted to it. But alternately, you could see it as the crew still managing to produce a decent film despite time restraints placed on them by the studio.

    Though, I do wish that the foreign-language films would be given the same attention from the voters. They seem to be ignored simply because the voter hadn’t heard of them (despite having access to a copy of it).

    I didn’t really care for The Croods. Frozen was okay. Despicable Me 2 was okay. I haven’t seen the other two movies yet, as they have not been released in my country (though I’m interested in seeing The Wind Rises).

    • Yeah, for flaws I was talking about animation, story, and music. But I agree with the lack of attention to foreign films; “Ernest et Célestine” was amazing, and while I haven’t seen “The Wind Rises” yet (it was just released on Friday in my country), I’ve heard great things about it as well. (But really, these judges… what? Especially that first one.)

      • STarFOx

        Frozen had gorgeous animation, a deep complex story and lovely music. My one flaw is that it was a bit rushed. We need more time in the movie. The movie was essentially too short.

  • SethBlizzard

    More than I needed to back up my claim that the Oscars are a corrupt, political sham.

  • Reu Att

    Boo!!…This is why animation industry should break away from the oscars and start their own awards,,something like …the Waltz

    • Kirielson

      But isn’t that the Annie’s Purpose?

  • lisajey

    Why are these people members of the academy again?

  • Caitlin

    These people clerarly shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
    Give them a copy of Gravity with all the fx animation removed and see what they think of that

  • animgirl

    well seriously animation needs to change, change is good. i think animation needs to step away from the cute talking animals and try something different. it might just be for the better.

    • nevilleross

      Only if you and other anime fans get into the industry and change it from within.

      • Barty Jordan Androcles

        Cute talking animals also known as telepathic, psychopathic data hivemind aliens who collect human souls as extracted heat energy to combat cosmic stagnation through entropic ruin/the passage of time, you mean? ;)

  • Ronnie

    You presume Frozen has flaws.

    • Frozen, does have flaws; I just didn’t list them because the post was long enough anyway. There’s the fact that Elsa’s hair phases through her entire shoulder during the “Let it Go” sequence, which has been excused as an ‘artistic decision’. Also, Kristoff’s thumb clips into Anna’s side when he lifts her up near the end. The only mild accomplishment I can see from the animation when going into the development is the creation of the “Matterhorn” software, even though it’s only useful for animating snow and sand, possibly dirt or other large masses of crumbling matter, depending on the formulas used. But as for the detail animation, I’d seen better in DreamWorks’ “How to Train Your Dragon”, in which the fabric carried a more distinct texture and reaction to the environment around it, as compared to Frozen.

      Now, I don’t have formal education in animation or mathematics, so while there may be other flaws in the animation itself, I am not able to comment on them. The above arguments I know from research and analysis by those who do have education in software development. I do have formal training in musical theory, writing, and composing, however, so these next arguments I am able to give a better take on.

      There were serious flaws in writing. Not to hate on Jennifer Lee, because the screenplay itself was great, but the lack of character development on Kristoff’s backstory is a minor discontinuity. Also, the concepts of the film contradicted themselves. How was it that Elsa’s powers were able to transfer through her shoes, and yet not through her gloves? As for plot points, the Duke of Wesleton became obsolete as soon as Hans’ plan was revealed. What happened to his entire conflict? Also, the justice given at the end was incredibly weak, especially compared to Disney’s usual standards.

      As for music, there were many awkward moments in the score. Just look at the fade into “Let it Go”; it wasn’t a good lead-in. The only lead-in that made sense was the track before “Love is an Open Door”. The only track from the entire score to carry musical themes was the Epilogue. You could argue “The Great Thaw” as well, but it was technically a reprise of “Vuelie”, not carrying much of a structural pattern. They went so hard for the wintery theme in their music that it ended up losing that theme. Compare the bells of the lighter tracks to the hard orchestral music of the fight scenes, and yet neither of them carry even a hint of similar musical patterns. To emphasize what I mean by musical patterns, see John Powell’s score for “How to Train Your Dragon”, in which the soft scenes and the large fight scenes still manage to carry the same four themes and motifs. (Which, in turn, are almost all present in “This is Berk”, aside from the motif for “Forbidden Friendship”, which in turn is present throughout other tracks with the other motifs, such as in the track “Where’s Hiccup?”. In all honestly, I could do a complete structural breakdown of HTTYD’s score, but now I’m getting off topic.) Or, to compare the score to fellow Disney films, see any score by Alan Menken. Also, the music itself did not blend completely well with the score; as is demonstrated by the intro to “For the First Time in Forever” reprise. (And yet it won the Annie for Best Music simply because it was a musical…)

      And for critics to say that Frozen is the best film since The Lion King? That’s completely disregarding Tangled and The Princess and the Frog. And what about Wreck-it Ralph – which was a fantastic film that had a VERY LONG PRODUCTION TIME compared to other Disney films, having been in concept planning since the late 1980s. See, WIR deserved its acclaim because of how well put together it was, and without flaws (at least no glaringly obvious flaws that could be pointed out without a long analysis afterwards). I saw Frozen three times in theaters, and every time I watched it, I loved it. But the moment I left, I was left with an unsatisfied feeling that was only strengthened by the very obvious flaws that I noticed WHILE WATCHING the film. I’m not saying that every animated movie needs to be flawless, because NO animated movie is flawless (the only one I can think of close to that argument is HTTYD, but arguments can be made for the musically-run scenes and the pacing), but I am saying that Frozen did not deserve the Academy Award, simply because of the sheer amount of errors that were made.

      In my personal opinion, 2013 was a weak year in animation, especially compared to 2012. But Frozen was not the best by far, and the flaws are obvious enough to prove it. But thinking optimistically, 2014 is already set up with The Lego Movie, Mr. Peabody and Sherman, HTTYD2, and The Boxtrolls, several films that I am very excited for. This year is going to be great, and hopefully the judges for the Oscars can realize that as well. (Also because The Boxtrolls is probably not for 6-year-olds; so that one judge better rethink his standards.)

      • CascadeWvera1

        I thought that the Princess and the Frog tried too hard to be a classic and Tangled had a pretty lazy conflict solution for how Rapunzel found out that she was the ‘lost princess’ (she painted Corona Suns without realizing it?) Also, Rapunzel walked around with 70 feet of hair and nobody stared at her? Rapunzel also bore a strong resemblance to the painting of the ‘lost princess’ in the kingdom, but nobody realized it (not even Rapunzel). I still like both of them, but they had their flaws too.

    • 3rd Best Guest

      Looks like someone needs to watch the Honest Trailer for “Frozen” ~


      • nevilleross

        They’re not going to give a #$%@ about some smart-assed commentary in a trailer made on You Tube

  • tim

    I never been so pissed about this shit. Like i feel like they only picked Frozen because thats the only movie they know since everyone is talking about it. If they actually WATCHED the other films in the nominations, then maybe they’d get their heads outta their asses and choose properly cuz ANIMATION WISE Frozen wouldn’t be the top because it is pretty but its not visually that great. and i like Frozen its just i dont think itd should have won best animation. The Croods on the other hand, had beautiful animation and if we want to talk about plot wise, it was better constructed than Frozen’s because Frozen’s felt kinda rushed at certain point and Anna and Elsa’s relationship was too forced near the end of the movie. Hell the Monsters University, Wind Rises, Rebellion, and Epic had better animation and storys.

    overall, if they’d actually watched each of them then maybe we’d have a better nomination cause this is bullshit

  • Anna

    Honestly I lost respect for the Oscars (especially the Animation category’s) when Mary and Max wasn’t nominated. Load of bull.

  • Anonymous

    Right, because the South Park movie was clearly intended for 6-year olds. Silly me.

    • And like “The Wind Rises” or “Watership Down” is appropriate for them either. XD

      • Barty Jordan Androcles

        Madoka Magica Rebellion is probably rated R-15 in Japan. Over here that’s basically PG-13. And even then THAT movie and THAT franchise have themes and character identities which are a lot more complex than MOST adults even would care to understand.

  • Rick Dolishny

    I know.

    On a somewhat related ‘clueless’ note, of all the categories for Gravity to win it pains me to see it win for cinematography. It’s Life Of Pi all over again. So little of the film was actual live action.

    I know it wasn’t animation we’re used to, but it was indeed animation with little heads pasted into animated visors.

    There were two live shots that come to mind: the dream sequence and the last shot. Hardly worthy of best cinematography.

    • Strong Enough

      yes it was. Chivo is a master of the camera work and Gravity proved that again.

  • Dartfin

    Weeeeell, the problem with Paranorman is that they targeted her for being a witch that could destroy the town, and it’s sad about her fate but what did she eventually turn out to be? So while their actions are unforgiveable their fear was well-placed.

    • Laura Truxillo

      That’s like saying that pit bulls are dangerous, so you’ll keep your pit bull chained to a stake in the yard and yell/throw stuff at it and never socialize it because it’s dangerous, and then saying the fear was “well-placed” if the dog attacks someone. You make your own problem, the only “well-placed” fear is the fear that people are dicks. Hell, you can’t even say “well-placed” because that implies that placing their fear in her was a good move, when in the story, it was what destroyed them.

      Or it could be even more uncomfortably worked into a metaphor about race or sexuality. Hey, people of ___ race have done bad things to people of ___ race. I guess those fears are “well-placed” (and therefore, what, justifiable? You didn’t say that, but since you’re playing devil’s advocate, that’s sort of the implication there, or else why bring it up?).

      We don’t know what kind of powers she had while alive. Could’ve been as simple as Norman’s. The witch stuff only happened after she was dead.

      Either way, it doesn’t negate exactly what I said: The townsfolk were prejudiced against her for being different. They LYNCHED A CHILD who had done nothing (a grave, fatal injustice). And she and Norman had to come to terms with that and learn forgiveness over deserved vengeance.

      And again: They Lynched. A. Child. So, back to the point about the movie having more mature themes than the average six year old might watch.

      • Guest7574

        It’s just a movie. Enjoy it and relax lol.

    • Pixelsnader

      The point of the movie was that she was harmless until after she was judged, just like kicking a dog will make it aggressive.

  • Chris B

    Animation is a method, a style, and a way of telling a story. It is not a genre. Also the whole concept of giving awards for art, something that is entirely subjective, is still an obsurd concept to me. There are tons of amazing movies that didn’t win awards and it doesn’t make them the least bit less special to the people who love them. Screw the oscars!

  • thisisjakea

    why do people respect the oscars again?

  • tim

    but the thing is, it may have had a heart and great visuals but so did all the other nominees too. It shouldnt just win because of popularity.

    • IJK

      Maybe it didn’t win BECAUSE of popularity, but it got the majority of the vote because it was popular…?

      Kind of like if a room full of people loved apple juice and you put out four container of apple juice and orange juice, would it be surprising that most people picked the apple juice? Orange is still good, the apple was just popular.

      Again these were only 7 of the voters, there were a lot more.

      • iqwrh’ABNSF

        yes but its shouldn’t just win because it “was popular” most of the movies had great visuals croods had amazing background material to note. no nominee wants to win beacause its part of a big company

    • Cascade-Wvera

      Wreck-It Ralph lost to Brave. Which was more popular again?

  • Soonieoon

    “Screw it. Life’s too short.” It’s their job to watch these movies. Sounds like these guys just don’t give a shit about film in general, let alone animation.

    • Strong Enough

      their job isn’t to watch films lmao

  • claudio losghi

    they makes me sick …. do you really think people who speak this way could understand something about cinema at all ? i mean …they can judge nothing , no movies, cars , cats, or anythig else…they don’t have the most important quality for a voter …to be respectful of other’s works …..

  • Nora Salisbury

    What a sad individual, if their life was not enriched by animation since age 6. I both hate and feel sorry for them.
    I don’t think the short category is irrelevant but I DO think they should have added categories for best vocal performance by an actor and an actress in an animated feature as soon as they added the one for animated feature (which, let’s face facts, they ONLY did because it scared the crap out of them when Beauty & the Beast was nominated for best picture, and they saw it as the only way to avoid the top Oscar from going to a “cartoon”) … if they had the two vocal performance categories in place the year HTTYD cheated Megamind out of its rightful award, at least Will Ferrell & Tina Fey would have been recognized for their stellar acting jobs in that film. HTTYD only won because the idiot voters went “Ooooh, dragons, cool man.” … like they were drunk and choosing a tattoo.

  • Moonie

    Lego Movie is a 2014 film – it won’t be in the running until next year.

  • Ben

    Just because something doesn’t have tits and blood doesn’t make it ‘inferior’ to more adult movies. What matters is the quality of the stories told within the constraints. And The Croods and Frozen were both actually pretty fantastic.

    • Mitch

      “tits and blood”?—>”written with more complexity…”
      You don’t need to fulfill a ratings standard to tell a deep and mature story.

      “What matters is the quality of the stories told within the constraints” ~ Definitely

      The Croods and Frozen worked within childish “constraints”, and it shows. Any other “constraints” were met via simplistic structuring of those films.
      (story, characters, etc)

      I haven’t seen every American animated theatrical film of 2013,
      but so far (Frozen, The Croods, Despicable Me 2, Monsters U, Cloudy 2, Turbo)
      Joseph is pretty accurate.

      • IJK

        Even if we had a bunch of films like Waltz with Bashir and Grave of the Fireflies coming out, the family films would still do better. Just like how Superhero films do better than stuff like Gran Torino.

        Putting animation out for adult audiences and not having it be a comedy is a super risky move because there is the risk of people snobbing at it and not seeing it in theaters, then you would have to rely on DVD sales to justify having made it.

        Once people “get used” to the idea and are more comfortable with taking animation as a serious medium on the big screen for American audiences, then I’m sure more studios will do it. But at this point, it’s new and risky so we’re not getting to that point yet because nobody wants to take the chance. Which is understandable, why should we expect Hollywood to spend millions of dollars just to satisfy us animators?

        • Mitch

          The emphasis is on 2013.

          I wouldn’t say last year was one of the best for American theatrical animation.
          There were just enough competent films on a technical storytelling level *catering* to its audience, while still maintaining whatever limitations.

          Again, 2013 was relatively underwhelming, 2014 could be a more refreshing experience.

          The first part has nothing to do with me demanding more adult films; it was refuting an argument posed by Ben.

          IF the bottom-line is what it takes to get people more interested in this medium, by all means let the industry further undercut its (potentially great) stories and rely on the lavish animation, artwork and any other safety nets.
          When Studios finally do DECIDE to take a more serious route in the US

          don’t ask why not enough people watched the more mature fare over whatever kid’s film for many years/decades after.

          We’re in agreement.

          Several Preconceptions need to be overcome, whilst Many Initiatives need to be taken for these “deep”, “complex” stories to be MADE IN THE US, let alone be box office successes.

          Forget DVD releases.
          Don’t ever assume these thematically adult-oriented films won’t be taken out of the market almost entirely if those things aren’t addressed/dealt with and it becomes too late because of a general disinterest to this “genre trend” or studios would rather focus on what’s more financially more viable. (bare in mind, I’m only talking in terms of Hollywood)

  • Axolotl

    I don’t expect much from the people who thought DANCES WITH WOLVES was better than GOODFELLAS.

  • Kamikaze

    I’m shocked; that’s all I can say.

  • Furrama

    If you’re not going to watch everything up for nomination then WHY ARE YOU ALLOWED TO VOTE AT ALL?
    Abstaining is allowed? No. You MUST watch all of it. It’s your job as a judge. Otherwise you are not a judge and you ruin the pool.

  • Aristo Kratte

    This is very, very shoddy journalism and just false.
    This isn’t really proof in the least…

    1) There are 6000 members of The Academy. The sample size is incredibly small here with just 7. And its really a sample size of 1 to maybe 3. 3 of the 7 voted, 1 abstention was because the voter liked them all the same. 2 abstentions were because the voters hadn’t seen all of them. And remember, 2 out of the 5 films nominated were foreign films, so if these 2 voters didn’t get screeners sent to them from the production company, it isn’t their fault they didn’t see them. That leaves one voter who really doesn’t like animated film.

    2) The two quotes about not watching the shorts actually says little about animated film. The voters are send all of the short films, 5 animated, 5 live action, and 5 documentary. These guys are saying they didn’t watch/vote for any of them. There’s no animosity to animated shorts, they only make a third here.

    I follow the awards closely. I predicted 22 out of 24 categories correctly. If they Academy members really didn’t know anything about animation, they would have been like zombies and all voted for Get a Horse! for Best Animated Short because it was Disney and Mickey Mouse. They didn’t. Mr. Hublot won.

  • Sam

    ONE person made a shitty comment about animation. But that person didn’t vote. And all the people who admitted to not seeing all the movies abstained as well. Shouldn’t that be a good thing? People need to stop acting like this only happens with animation. How many categories do the Oscars have? How many nominated movies are there total? Do you honestly think that every voter sees every one of them? It is a good thing when they can admit they didn’t see them all and then acknowledge that they should not be voting on them because of that.

    This isn’t their job, it isn’t their “responsibility.” It is something these people choose to do in addition to being actors, writers, producers, composers, and workers in all other areas of film. It is understandable that they wouldn’t have the chance to see over a hundred of hours of film, nor would they be interested in many of it. I just wish more people had the mentality that not seeing the nominees means they shouldn’t vote.

  • Grace

    It looks cute and sugary but it is NOT. Kill la Kill is a pretty amazing one despite the blatant fanservice and sometimes random events. There’s good character development in both and cool universes. Kill la Kill is a bit more crazy though…(well except the labyrinths in Madoka.)

  • Creativity (needs to) Rules

    I think we need to petition the Academy to have separate judges for the animation categories. And how about some of the amazing indy animations being made each year? We need judges that are looking for originality and creativity not just glossy wiz-bang effects created by the big boys.

  • jabroniville

    While it’s too bad that they didn’t watch all of the films, it’s good that they abstained rather than go “ah hell- I vote for the one I’ve heard of”. This is only four of a random selection, so who knows how many Academy members actually voted in this?

    Personally, Frozen is one of my favourite movies now (plays to the Disney Formula, but changes the rules and subverts a few things- without being snarky or “HO HO remember THAT trope?” about it), and I’m glad it won- it’s certainly a lot better than The Croods, which I found to be pretty simplistic and overly-random with its humor (the way a lot of childish Kids’ Movies are these days), and with dull characters and weird designs.

    • Leedleleedle

      “Without being…’HO HO remember THAT trope?” Except an entire chunk of the movie was them pointing out the ‘falling in love with a guy in one day’ trope that Disney is well known for.

      • jabroniville

        And then a couple of people then fell in love within a single day (or however long stuff went on for- like they met and night and then it was the next day, so basically 24 hours or something) :). It seems like they commented that MARRIAGE after such a short time was stupid, but it really didn’t come off as super-snarky (which is what I was referring to), nor was it dwelled on for a long period of time.

    • anon

      I think the croods had amazing visuals and had an interesting premise though. which should be accounted for when voting.

  • jabroniville

    I didn’t think the movie had too many flaws- “Let It Go” is the only song that REALLY did it for me, and I could have done with a lot more Elsa scenes and possibly some exposition, but I didn’t really see much wrong with it. A lot of people made a big deal out of “plot holes”, but most of them were easily explained (usually stuff around The Reveal and why The Villain acted the way they did beforehand)… just not in the movie itself.
    I do agree that perhaps some extended time could have been done on the film, and maybe they should have added ten more minutes. Fixing the little flaw with Elsa’s hair moving through her arm would have been nice, but apparently they COULD NOT get it right (though I wonder why they didn’t just put the camera the other way or have her move her hair differently…). Do other CGI movies have errors like that? I’ve never watched closely enough to see little flaws like that- I never would’ve noticed it if people hadn’t brought it to my attention, and even THEN it took a while to see what they were talking about.
    Even though I disagree with the comment about Frozen not winning Best Animated Feature because of these flaws, I do find your post rather interesting and well-written, and a difference from the vitriol so often scene on the web, and this very thread right here. So well done on that front.

  • Kassiopea Millenia

    Madoka is no good. Plain plot. Plain characters.

    Watch Kara no Kyoukai.

    • Chaos15

      Plain plot and plain characters?….. are we watching the same series? Ok the characters are simple but not plain (except Madoka. But that’s literally her character and even she said it herself that she is plain). That’s not necessarily a bad thing. Plot? Again it is Simple (and not as simple as you make it sound. The movie is convoluted as all hell.). But again since when is that a problem as long as the delivery is good?
      From the top of my head:
      Toy Story: Toys get lost and must get back to owner.
      One Piece: Find treasure. Lots of random crap happens along the way.
      Cowboy Bebop. No plot whatsoever the show is only about how cool Spike is.
      Gurren Lagann: Kid finds robot. Use robot to fight bad guy. Then fights bigger bad guy in space. Literally no one cares about the plot because of all the awesomeness.
      Ano Hana: Girl comes back as a ghost and friends must make her happy so she can go back to heaven.

  • Lis Boriss

    “All animation is for 6 year olds”, huh? Someone should show that guy Akira.

  • the Amazing Mister Moriarty

    Wow, just wow. Correct me if I’m wrong: 6000 Acadmy members nominate and vote for movies. 7 of them aren’t animation experts. 0,1%. That’s the big tragedy you bawl about?

  • Igor Martinez

    Mothefuckers aren’t even prepared to judge a pie contest. Let alone the oscars, but, honestly, I didn’t expect anything better from them. When Brave won the best animation last year, I already knew that the oscars became totally and utterly irrelevant.

  • karioka

    I think its time the Academy reevaluates the criteria for those who are allowed to vote.
    This is offensive to the animators/technicians in the business!

  • Hayden Miller

    Then the system is hilariously flawed, and the Oscars come across as a farce.

    Well, to me anyway.

  • Steven Bowser

    Methinks this is not a fair voting process. Shouldn’t they all be required to at least watch the films that they are voting on? This just makes it seem rigged.
    And to the first quote, does he not realize that animated films are created by grown men? There is a wealth and a depth of wonderful filmmaking to be found in animated films, even if they were made “for children”.
    If you are too prideful to lower yourself to the level of a child for at least one film, then I think you need to reconnect with your childhood. It’l do you some good.

  • May

    This is outrageous. I didn’t see all of the nominees either, but it’s not as if it’s my job to watch them and choose which one I think is best and should win the most important award in the industry. It’s immensely disrespectful to the filmmakers and to the medium as a whole for them to do this. If they simply don’t tend to enjoy animated films, that’s one thing. Some people just don’t like certain types of movies and that’s okay. But to dismiss them all as “for 6-year-olds” when it’s their responsibility to vote for one to receive such a high honor is massively arrogant.

  • Harmony

    I think that if they are going to be this ignorant about the films they are supposed to watch the oscars should just be a big fan voting competition

  • nevilleross

    How would any of them know who Miyazaki is? Let alone anybodl like Ralph Bashki?

    • Laura Truxillo

      Which is why you smack them with a Miyazaki book.

  • No matter how you look at this none of them did their jobs. I wish they could be kicked from voting. This is not acceptable, this is the film industry; this kind of stuff should not go unnoticed and unpunished.

  • Michieie

    This would explain why they didn’t even consider Madoka Rebellion, even as just a finalist. That movie was amazing and whle it had limited presentations it filled cinemas and got a 95% of acceptance in Rotten Tomatoes.

    They just didn’t watch it, or anything else, really.

    • nevilleross

      As I said above, not everybody in the world is a big otaku. Also, the people who voted are volunteers; they’re not paid for this. But as I also said above, that needs to change.

  • Mr. Oshawott

    After reading the article, I now understand why the Oscar Award Ceremony has gotten some serious heat these past few years. None of the voters that voted for Frozen took time to explain for even one sentence why they voted for it.

    • Captain Alasks

      100% agree. But IMHO, if over half the judges just quit because they don’t care, then the category they’re voting on should be scrapped because not every nominee is getting a fair chance. Yep just scrap the category and bring it back next year with next years movies.

  • mills

    You had one job. Hell they even sent the movies to you. How lazy and disrespectful. Shows that all these awards and are sham for sure.

  • Anon

    I feel Oscars are really just about Hollywood’s inner
    politics, or its the academy attempting to make themselves look
    progressive to those who tune in. Odds are those who did bother to vote
    for best animated film either thought “oh yeh, that one’s making a lot
    of money at the box office” or “well, at least I’ve heard of that one”
    and proceeded to check it off.

    Honestly, to seek recognition from an incestuous, narrow minded and unethical beast like Hollywood is a bit like the cliche of seeking “dad’s approval”.

  • quixoticnotmalicious

    “Hollywood” is an insular world and is at best, a popularity contest. This should surprise no one, least of all, Cartoon Brew.

  • IdiosyncraticJess

    If this is true, the Academy is full of pretentious pricks! I never liked them anyway!

  • red_zone

    How was it ‘cookie-cutter’ though? Yes, it had the Princess deal, but… nothing else, really.

    • Joseph_Hudak

      Besides the bland, empty music numbers, the “hate each other then love each other” romantic leads, near useless comic relief characters that serve hardly an purpose, Minion-like “trolls” that spend most of the movie wasting valuable time, Love being the solution to all problems….i could go on.

      But sadly being generic despite how it pretends not to be is the least of the movie’s problems.

      • Cascade-Wvera

        Dude, that’s just your opinion, and this is only seven people out of what, 6000?

      • CascadeWvera1

        For real? Rethink your answer.

      • Anonymous

        Not going to argue about the musical numbers since that’s personal taste. (“Let It Go” and “Do You Want to Build a Snowman?” empty.

  • Tim Hansen

    It explains how Brave could win over Wreck-It Ralph.

  • Steven Matarazzo

    This is really just disgraceful. You can’t do your job to simply watch a few films or even shorts? Then you clearly should not be in this position anymore. There are millions of individuals who would love for the opportunity, and here you are lazily throwing your hat in without any effort. What a joke. I wish these people would just be kicked out. We deserve better, and the creators of these films do too!

  • Another commenter on a piece of Frozen fanart on DeviantArt pointed me towards this page. Let me just say…seriously? It looks like those members of the Academy barely did their jobs in judging different movies!

  • James VanDam

    It is really sad that Animation is still not treated with the respect that it deserves. Animation is not a genre, it is an artistic medium. Frozen is a great movie, but it feels like a hollow victory when the academy is this ignorant. I also feel really bad for all the other movies that were ignored.

  • nevilleross

    There are critics that loved The Croods and though that it was the best of 2013:


  • Anonymous

    I hardly think the movies we have are “generic schlock”. I strongly disagree.

    • Churze

      They simply don’t hold a candle to movies like WiR. I am so sick of hearing everyone say how AMAZING frozen was at my school…

      • HSuits

        I major in media arts and animation at a private college and I am so, so thankful that I /rarely/ hear Frozen and amazing together.
        Don’t get me wrong, I thought it was visually appealing (particularly the texturing), and the voice actors and musicians did a superb job.
        But the story just.. lacked. Not as badly as Brave thankfully, but it was missing the magic Disney used to have and is built around formulaic storytelling meant to produce sales rather than character and plot development.
        I’m personally more interested in the sequel to HTTYD coming up this year.

        • Seyehe

          Ugh. Why do people always feel the need to bring their major into what they’re trying to say?

        • Anonymous

          What magic does Disney have? Snow White and the Seven Dwarves has too many filler scenes. Alice in Wonderland doesn’t have a plot until the 50 minute mark. Sleeping Beauty has very slow pacing and little to no character development. Beauty and the Beast has several plot holes in the prologue alone.

  • daniel thomas

    I can’t fault Academy voters for holding the same opinion as the general public. They believe the mantra, “cartoons are only for widdle kids,” honestly and in their bones, and they want nothing to do with animation films that can’t be packed into that box. That’s what the public wants, and they’re not interested in anything else.

    The box office returns for Hayao Miyazaki’s The Wind Rises are absolutely dreadful. And despite all the hype and praise from the usual admirers, barely any of these so-called “fans” can be bothered to show up. Snore, not interested. Even the blessed Cartoon Brew couldn’t hobble together more than a handful of words for Miyazaki’s film: audiences aren’t interested, nothing to see here, move along. Some fans.

    You cannot complain about the state of animation, and then repeatedly vote, with your dollars, for the status quo. And you cannot blame the Motion Picture Academy for holding the very same opinions as the greater moviegoing public.
    Oh, well, at least “The Lego Movie” is really fun. Things could always be worse.

  • geefwee

    Looking over all the comments here — I feel your pain — perhaps I can add something from another perspective though.
    I’m an Academy Member.
    Try to remember that Academy Members are working professionals. The Academy has many different branches, and each member can only belong to one branch. There’s a branch for Directors, one for Actors, Hair stylist & Make-up, etc. I belong to the branch: Short Film & Feature Animation.
    The Academy has multiple functions, including education and film preservation, but to the public it’s all about the OSCARS! Here’s how the voting process works:

    First off a film must be qualified to even be accepted. This is intended to keep out the “riff-raff” or “amateur” films (unfortunately, some deserving short films never even get “qualified”)
    So the first step is to whittle down all the qualified films to the top 10 (these are not yet the nominees but the “short-list” ). It is important to know that during the first rounds of the process ONLY members within each branch vote. (i.e.. only members from Short Film & animation get to vote on which animated films will be nominated)
    The reason for this is that the people in that particular branch are EXPERTS in THAT field.
    Unfortunately for me I am an independent film maker living in the Bay Area and for the first round of voting they DO NOT have Bay Area Screenings (only LA Screenings) These are “LIVE” screenings (they do not send out DVDs for this stage) you have to physically be at the screening and watch ALL the films, you cast your physical ballot right there and then, and the top 10 films are picked.
    These “Short-Listed” films then have additional “Live” screenings, this time in LA, SFBay, & NY — again ONLY for branch members. And you must physically go to the screening (a one time shot–no multiple screenings) cast your ballot right there and then — the top 5 films are then official NOMINEES.
    Once all branches pick there nominees, then and only then does it expand to the entire Academy to determine the winners.

    Some Academy Members may not like animation (as seen in this article), and my hope is that these folks DONT vote — believe me it is far better for them to abstain in the animation category then for them vote half hearted.
    Anyway, this is just the “Cliff-notes”. It is not a simple process and certainly isn’t perfect. Judging films will always be subjective.
    The Olympics is easy. The clock is ticking — fastest wins.

    In some ways it would be nice if ALL Awards could just vanish, and that people could just watch, enjoy, and/or judge the films and stories on their own merit, without the hype and hoopla. However, sometimes (certainly not always) an Academy nomination or that little trophy, does get delivered to a project that is deserving and can have a positive impact.

  • PapillonHanaToChou

    Totoro is not “mild” It doesn’t have a conflict because it belongs to the “slice of life” genre. It’s a little slow at times but mild is an overstatement. Totoro is a tale of two sisters who created an imaginary friend named Totoro because their having a hard time. Their mother is in the hospital and they just moved to a new place with new people and such. What Miyazaki can do so well and portray the imagination of a child in a movie. A lot of his movies make viewers feel like they’re kids again. Totoro was fantastic because I felt like a child watching it. So many wonders and imagination. This genre is not used in Western animation a lot. Totoro is diffrent from Miyazaki’s other movies. And a good story doesn’t need a conflict to be good. I learned that from watching anime. Just watch Makoto Shinkai’s movies.

  • The problem is that it has also been proven that most of the voters are older males. There isn’t a wide enough range of people to cover all areas.

  • Tim

    It is the same with any category with the Oscars, just the way it is. Once a specific group selects the nominees, then all members get to vote for the winner, whether they know anything about it or not.

  • Raven M. Molisee

    …Sigh. That’s problematic.

  • FryGuy

    Anyone else think that “The Wind Rises” should have won?

  • Candy

    The Croods isn’t average though. The Croods pulled off a coming of age story very well and dear god that animation.

  • Leon Evelake

    Crap. No wonder The Wind Rises lost.

    • Cascade-Wvera

      7/6000 voters? This isn’t the majority.

  • Funkybat

    I think it’s outrageous that so many Oscar voters are just plain ignoring many, if not most, of the movies they are sent to view (in special not-available-to-the-public DVDs no less.) I understand that it is an unpaid, part-time role, kind of like being a member of a Board of Directors or some such. And maybe some movies will just prove unwatchable, and they have every right to turn them off if they are just not to their tastes. But at least TRY to watch what you are given, or just don’t vote that year!

    (Oh, and to the person who decided that all animation is for 6 year olds, he or she should really talk to some other adults some time, that old tripe is passe.)

  • Terrence Briggs

    PROVOCATIVE QUESTION: Does anyone honestly believe that the outcome would have been different if they HAD seen all of the nominees?

    If voters go into these films expecting Disneyfied CGI song-and-dance to be the Gold Standard, what chance do the other films have?

    Spirited Away seems like more of a fluke with each passing year.

  • Bart Simpson

    So in other words, you’re easily entertained? If I threw a dollar in your direction, would you cheer it on? Your post just solidified the fact that Frozen fans aren’t that intelligent when it comes to actually plot and character development. The only things Frozen has going is Let it Go and the visuals. The story and development of the story are lazily written and dumbed down so three year olds can understand what it means.

    • Ha, ha, ha…no. Of course not. You’re entitled to that opinion of the film just as boatloads of us are entitled to think that its story and characters are excellent. Naturally a Disney film is going to be made such that young children can grasp its basics and enjoy it, but most of them simultaneously provide high-quality entertainment for adults. I frequently criticize films for what I feel is inadequate story and character development, but thankfully this was not an instance in which I had to do that. If you felt that some aspects were “dumbed-down” and could have been better, well, that’s fine. It does not mean that fans are “easily entertained” or lack some understanding of plot that you feel you have. (Not that it makes me any sort of expert, but I do actually have a degree in film.)

  • Churze

    There it is.

  • Churze

    I have to disagree with your placement of MU. That had a pretty good theme going.

  • Oscar is a joke. It’s an industry award. It’s for best sellers. Just forget about it.

    • nevilleross

      If that was the case, then why didn’t The Avengers get nominated and win for Best Picture?

      • Rayberay

        It did TOO well. Plus, comic books are for “NEEERDS”!
        And that’s also the reason non-Miyazaki anime never gets there either.

  • v1ewr

    Ever heard of A Monster in Paris (Un Monstre a Paris), The Painting (Le Tableau), A Cat in Paris (Une Vie de Chat), or The Illusionist (L’Illusioniste), to list just a few exceptional animated films of the past 3-4 years?
    Almost no one in the US has. ;-(
    Your loss.
    These are way better than most live-action oscar-nominated films.
    Ignorance is bliss.

  • This is so ridiculous. I’m so outraged right now.

  • Duder NME

    The planes, quake, and maybe even the train would have to be animated anyway, so it would just seem hypocritical to do it “live”. I have too much respect for a man who has too much respect for animation.

  • Rayberay

    That’s a very good way of putting it. I really liked those parts with the radio in Ernest and Celestine and I don’t have a problem with that movie. I was just defending The Secret of Kells, which I’m sure is full of tension throughout.

  • AndyMay

    I’m sorry but this article is just stupid. You can’t claim that all voters are “Ignorant About Animation” because 7 people out of 5,783 were interviewed and made stupid reason for their votes. That’s simply not representative of the population.

  • koguma

    Has no one watched Ernest & Celeste? I thought it was amazing, and definitely better then Frozen.

    • Cascade-Wvera

      Ernest and Celestine. Say it’s better but can’t get the name right.

      • Rayberay

        TECHNICALLY, it’s “Ernest et Celestine” if you want to go by its original (French) title.
        But *why* does that matter again?
        It doesn’t.
        Ernest and Celestine represents the kind of animation Disney USED to pioneer–it wasn’t afraid to break stylistic rules, grew beyond yet paid homage to its source material (Ernest and Celestine is a French book series for kids, and the movie uses its animation style), had an important message, yet was family friendly without being cloying.

        • Anonymous

          Well, Wvera’s right about the film being “Ernest and Celestine” at least in English. It was also admitted into the Oscars under that name. However, comparing Frozen to Ernest and Celestine is ridiculous. Frozen is a computer animated film about a fearless princess who tries to save her kingdom from her sister’s icy powers. Ernest and Celestine is a water colored animated film about a bear and a mouse from different worlds who become friends. They have different themes, characters, and styles, targeted at different audiences, and it seems unfair to compare them. Sure, you can call Ernest and Celestine less “cloying,” but seriously, you’re really going to compare two films that have almost NOTHING in common?

  • PumpkinDoodles

    I haven’t seen Epic but I bought it a while ago since it was cheap. I really hope you were wrong on this one friend because I was so excited to view it! Is it really that boring?

    • Ignoranimus

      Like all things, it’s subjective and entirely up to you whether you like it or not. For me, though, it seemed a little too “by the numbers”.

      It’s pretty much your basic kid’s flick. Nonstop fastpaced action (because god help me if we take a second for character development or world building), good guys vs bad guys (whose cause and motivation behind their actions is never explicitly explained, just that “they’re bad, because that’s what they are”), annoying animal sidekicks/comic relief, cliche and predictable plot you’ve seen a billion times… the usual “kids movie” standard. Eh, at least the animation was good.

      The film’s title lacks as much imagination as the rest of the flick, something more fitting would’ve been “Movie-That-Feels-Not So-Much-Inspired-As-Engineered-According-to-Conventional-Animated-Kid’s-Genre-Requirements”, but that probably wouldn’t roll off the tongue as nicely.

      I’m just disappointed, because the trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xu3JLXfuwQ) showed so much potential. When you watch the trailer, it hints themes of mystery, wonder, subtlety, and a more quiet, atmospheric nature (well, everything up to the snail’s appearance). If only the actual movie was like that.

      It wasn’t terrible, but I didn’t think it was particularly great. You might enjoy it if you haven’t seen a lot of CG movies in the past ten years.

  • Jack

    I like how most of these guys don’t seem to be any different from any random bum when talking about animations. I mean, the opinions are totally pleb-tier. Maybe because i was accustomed to reading Ebert’s stuff on movies, guy wrote real interesting stuff.

  • Kolma

    Not to bring Video Games to the discussion, but this is exactly the same boat Nintendo is in

  • DisneyFan

    Frozen only won because there was no competition this year… (although if I had to pick, I’d have voted for Despicable Me 2). Frozen is sooo overrated.

  • okay

    Where’s The Rebellion Story?

    • Barty Jordan Androcles

      If it wasn’t in the list of five finalists, and stuck in the middle of the list of 19-40 nominees in all, they DEFINITELY didn’t watch it.

  • Rodan Thompson

    I think if they’re not going to vote then they should probably not have the right to do so… what’s the point? Status? Give me a break! Academy needs a Three Strikes and you’re out rule…

  • Xan Vreda

    What Ant G posted earlier about the animation industry, specifically that involves movies, should widen the scope and stop consistently creating movies that target children and families. Filmmakers need to know that animation movies (particularly CGI) aren’t limited to children, but to different age groups and mature ones.

    Much of the animation movies we’ve watched have various genres such as fantasy, comedy or romance that focus upon child audiences. But why can’t they make animation movies with such genres which focus on mature or adult audiences? Heck, why there are no good movies with other genres such as action, drama, thriller or horror?

    The good examples are the CGI animated trailers for today’s video games (e.g. Assassin’s Creed, Halo, Mass Effect) or the in-game cutscenes and cinematic movies (e.g. The Last of Us, Uncharted, Starcraft II). If several animation movies could be created properly with the same CGI qualities like those in/with video games along with some good writing and voice acting, as well as focused upon other audiences than children, the positive feedback and impact from them could be huge.

  • What_a_Dickens!

    Whoever it was that thinks animated films are for six year olds never saw Persepolis. The last I checked phrases such as, “Women like you, I bang them like whores and throw them in the trash!” wasn’t considered appropriate for six year olds.

  • Cascade-Wvera

    Frozen’s not getting a sequel. Who announced it?

  • Cascade-Wvera

    Then why didn’t Brave “blow” anyone away? Honestly, it doesn’t blow much away from Frozen if you ask me.

  • Cascade-Wvera

    Then blame Disney. I agree Frozen could have been better if given more time, but I still like it for what it is.

  • Cascade-Wvera

    Seriously, leave the guy alone. It’s one out of 6000 in all. Don’t make such a big deal about it.

  • Cascade-Wvera

    Not that unrealistic. Frozen was ranked 7th best film (yes any kind) of 2013 by TIME. Also, the voter didn’t say Frozen was better than Tangled, Wreck-It Ralph, or other films of the past year.

  • Cascade-Wvera

    Of course it does, but not being close to even 1% of the voters, it shouldn’t be that big of a concern.

  • CascadeWvera1

    Well, there you have it then. It’s mostly Disney’s fault for being stubborn to make Frozen’s release date before 2014.

  • Danraz

    hi, If it is possible, why not artists and animators do some serious
    Marching and Firm STAND (like music industry) and ask for legislation
    and rule changes in the academy for the rightful support of Animation.
    The Academy awards always gives the idea that it treats the animation
    industry as Bastard children. remember that speech cut off from Last
    year. Animators and VFX guys are all in the same boat. unless u show a
    good fist and DEMAND your RIGHT, no one in the academy seems to give a
    damn if u live or die. seriously guys IT IS ABOUT TIME. wake up.

  • LiraLindale

    This is why I don’t follow the Oscars or care about them. They just don’t deliver or seem to know about these things. Especially animation.

  • Barty Jordan Androcles

    And I think Miyazaki and Ghibli are overrated, but that’s just me.

    What, would you rather have the even MORE convoluted and ‘shaky’ Steins;Gate movie get nominated instead?!

  • Polex411

    none of these people should be allowed to vote on animated films. they’re clearly not qualified and don’t understand the medium at all.

  • Anonymous

    Well, Monsters University is one of the weakest Pixar films. Take that. Besides, claiming Frozen to be the weakest Disney film since Bolt isn’t saying much. Bolt came out only about five years ago and all of the films between then were received well.

    That aside, I love Frozen, but haven’t gotten to Wreck-It Ralph yet. I actually find Tangled weak in the sense of the poor characterization of Rapunzel. But that’s a discussion for another time.

  • Anonymous

    “Flaws like this are unacceptable in animation, especially from a company so prestigious as Disney.”

    Prestigious? Disney has NEVER been the masters of storytellers. They haven’t ever really tried for that level of sophistication. I mean, several of the “Golden Age” Disney films have filler scenes, useless songs, and underdeveloped characters. Sleeping Beauty (as much as I love that film) has weak pacing that goes from too fast to too slow. Alice and Wonderland doesn’t have a PLOT until the halfway mark. Even in the “Disney Renaissance” there are problems with those films. Take Beauty and the Beast. I love that film, but it has several holes in the prologue alone. I’m not saying that Frozen is perfect or anything, but I seriously don’t understand why everyone is complaining about some of those flaws. They can be found in several other Disney classics.

  • Dusty Ayres

    That will only change when the need for Saturday morning animation (and the blocks themselves) die off.

    Oh, wait..

  • Dusty Ayres

    The Annie’s aren’t shown on TV, IIRC.

  • Aki no Kawa

    well, that’s SO disappointing, upset and frustrating to hear this -_- holy mother this is Academy Award!! Where the hell is professional and academic attention from the voters themselves? Cartoons’re just for children? Come on they all know they’re not. It’s just matter of responsibility and rightness. Some of them just don’t want to go through so many troubles watching and evaluating the animated movies on their freaking own and are just willing to be lured by siuch powers of marketing :v I think the previous winners are much more worth :(((

  • Marie

    Reminds me of the anonymous Academy voter a few years ago who couldn’t pronounce Quvenzhané Wallis’s name and therefore dismissed voting for her because her name was “too weird.” It’s almost like they’re looking for an excuse to not see these films. But with complete respect to the creators of American animated features, I understand some of the “kids stuff” accusation. I watch few American animated features because the protagonists or primary side characters (Russell in Up) are often children or young adults whose experience depicted in the film–often “be true to yourself”–feels too childish for my attention. And I believe that for the most part, American animated features ARE made for children with bones thrown to the adults accompanying the kids to the theater. There are a few exceptions–The Incredibles being the most obvious–but I think overall, the argument that American feature animation deals primarily with childhood and adolescence instead of adulthood is accurate. Adult experiences are messy, complicated, not-cute, gritty, contradictory and don’t have happy endings. I just described Japan’s Cowboy Bebop series but few American animated features possess those qualities.

  • socij

    I have the same goal as you, I hope we can change the way north America sees animation.