Exclusive: ‘Clarence’ Creator Skyler Page Out of Cartoon Network After Sexual Assault Allegations [UPDATED]

The charges of sexual assault were brought against “Clarence” creator Skyler Page.

The Internet animation community is struggling to understand and address a serious issue today: a series of tweets last night by Adventure Time storyboard revision artist Emily Partridge in which she identified artist Skyler Page, the creator of the Cartoon Network series Clarence, as sexually assaulting her. The incident has drawn a swift reaction from Cartoon Network. A spokesperson for the network told Cartoon Brew that, “Skyler Page is no longer an employee at Cartoon Network Studios.”

Partridge had been tweeting about the incident since Sunday, June 29, but did not reveal the name of her alleged attacker at the time.

On Monday, June 30, an illustrator named Maré Odomo, presumably a friend of Partridge’s, revealed that the individual was Page in the following tweet. (Partridge did not respond to a request for comment before publication. After the publication of piece, she wrote that she was unavailable to speak with Cartoon Brew today.)

After Odomo’s reveal of the name, Partridge began using Page’s name in her tweets, too:

Other relations of Partridge have also identified Page on Twitter, including Ryan Pequin, a storyboard artist on Regular Show who describes Partridge as “someone close to me.”

Partridge wrote on Twitter that although she had already spoken to Cartoon Network’s HR department, she decided to go public on Twitter because “discretion does not keep other people safe.”

The situation has involved many of the studio’s biggest creative figures, including Adventure Time creator Pen Ward, who met personally with Partridge last night after she spoke out on Twitter. During their meeting, Ward and Partridge discussed “creating some kind of online safe space for women is [sic] situations like this.” Ward also used a replica of E.T.’s hand to cheer up Partridge:

Skyler Page is not finding much support from his co-workers. Patrick Harpin, a CalArts classmate of Page and the former head of story of Clarence, went onto his Tumblr account today to call Page a “piece of shit,” and further claimed that he and other writers were more responsible for the development of Clarence than Page. Harpin is currently a storyboard artist at Sony Pictures Animation on Hotel Transylvania 2. Here is the full text of Harpin’s Tumblr statement:

“Clarence” Head-of-Story reaction
I was Head of Story on “Clarence” from the beginning.

Obviously Skyler Page sexually assaulted a female artist at CN. Skyler’s a piece of shit, and CN should give him the boot. Emily Partridge is one bad-ass chick for standing up to a guy who a lot of people wanted to cover up for. Skyler’s asshole behavior (though not yet sexual assault) was the main reason I quit the show more than a year ago.

I can’t imagine how fans of the show are feeling right now. But the reason you like Clarence, in spite of it’s creator, is because the “creator” had very little to do with the show. Despite what it says in the credits, Skyler never wrote a single episode of Clarence. It was created by the writers (me and Spencer Rothbell) and the talented board artists (people like Charlie Gavin, Derek & Diana). We took Skyler’s idea of “a fat dumb kid” and made a character out of it. Skyler mostly “kept the couch from floating away”, and read whatever lines we gave him. There’s been enough victims of Skyler Page, don’t punish the talented crew that actually raised Clarence.

- Patrick Harpin

Many industry artists have been speaking out on online forums, especially Twitter. Among them is Katie Rice (Kung Fu Panda: Legends of Awesomeness, Book of Life) who wrote:

Another artist at Cartoon Network, Steven Universe writer and board artist Lamar Abrams, tweeted the following thoughts:

There is no word yet on the future of Clarence as a Cartoon Network series, but the show is currently in production without its creator Page, who also voices the titular character. In light of the recent incident, however, the network will almost certainly have to revise their approach to promoting the series, which has now taken on uncomfortable layers of meaning. There will likely be much closer scrutiny at Cartoon Network’s Atlanta headquarters over the dialogue and behavior of the characters in Clarence so as to avoid uncomfortable parallels with the personal life of its creator.

An example of Cartoon Network’s advertising for “Clarence.”

UPDATE (Thursday, 9:20PM): Jeff Rowe, a personal friend of Skyler Page, has written a piece on Tumblr revealing more details about Page’s state of the mind during the period in which the assault occurred. Here is the full text of Rowe’s statement:

Hey everybody, I’m a close personal friend of Skyler’s, and the inspiration for the Jeff character on Clarence. I lived with Skyler for three years. I took the photo of him at the top of the cartoon brew article. Point being, I feel like I’ve seen a part of this story that not many are privy to. My goal in sharing this is not to discredit anyone, or downplay the seriousness of what happened. Skyler’s actions are abhorrent, and my heart goes out to the victim. As someone who is close to the situation I think it would be useful to present additional information about the incident:

Skyler is currently in the hospital receiving treatment for mental illness. Specifically a form of Bipolar 1 that results in prolonged psychotic episodes, not sleeping for days, and erratic, sometimes frightening behavior that mimics schizophrenia. On the same day the assault happened, Skyler also walked through the streets shirtless screaming at cops. I saw him try to smoke cigarettes through his nose and drink days old olive juice. He popped in and out of different characters, and answered questions with riddles. And the next day, when me and another close friend drove him to the hospital to get him treatment, I sat with him for hours in the Emergency Room as he sat strapped to a bed singing They Might Be Giants songs and talking like a cowboy. I don’t know if he was cognizant enough to see that I was crying. It was one of the saddest things I’d ever seen. Here in front of me, was a guy I had known extremely well, but was obviously “not home”. When I talked to the doctor and learned more about his specific illness, and that he would be coping with it for the rest of his life, it broke my heart. Again, here was someone who was like a brother to me, and I just got told he may never be the same again.

What happened was horrible, but the tone of the online conversation is painting Skyler as a calculating predator. I don’t deny what happened, but based on my experience, his actions were the result of a tragic bipolar (potentially schizophrenic) episode, and don’t reflect the thoughtful, considerate, kind hearted person I’ve always known him to be.

Again, I am not defending or excusing his behavior. I just hope I can provide context to this conversation.

The following Tumblr commentary comes from Adventure Time production coordinator Emily Quinn, who writes that Page’s erratic behavior and mental health issues were well known at the studio:

As someone who has dealt with mental illness both in myself and with members of my family, and as someone who has been watching Skyler continuously dig himself into a hole, I’m glad this is being talked about. I know people will be upset, but the goal of this is not to be stigmatizing for other people with mental illnesses. There are thousands of people with mental illnesses who would never hurt a fly. However, just like you can’t generalize that EVERYONE with a mental illness assaults other people (sexually or otherwise), you also can’t generalize that everyone with mental illnesses do not. Some people do shitty things regardless of a mental illness.

I’m not using his illness as an excuse, I’m not minimizing his actions in any way shape or form. It’s still a despicable thing that Skyler did (both this time and times before). However, people need to know what else has been going on. Skyler was put in a position of having his own show, let the power go to his head, and was completely unable to emotionally handle the pressure. He has had episode after episode, and the studio did not know how to handle it. They eventually took him off most creative aspects of the show, but not entirely. The first time he was hospitalized, hardly anything was changed when he came back. They just assumed that since he was out of the hospital, that it meant he was “cured.” I was LIVID. No mental illness magically gets “cured.” But because there is such a stigma around mental disorders, nobody higher up knew how to deal with it. That’s a problem.

I think it’s terrible that this happened to Emily. Awful. I hate that it took this happening for the studio to fire him. As a woman in animation (hell, just the world), I know what it’s like to not feel safe in your environment. My heart goes out to her and the position she is in right now, so hard.

However, now that information is public about the things that have been happening, Skyler’s mental state needs to be discussed as well. Hearing about this instance has been so difficult for everyone involved on a level outside of this assault. All of Skyler’s other close friends and family, many people who worked on the show, many other people in the studio have all been affected by this for months, years even. It’s important that people know that this has been happening too. This assault instance is the tip of the iceberg of a whole series of incidents over the last few years, and hopefully by talking about it we can raise awareness so things like this don’t happen in the future.

EDITOR’S NOTE:: The photo of Emily Partridge at the top of this post has been removed. While we feel that the use of the photo was merited and ethical under the particular circumstances of this story, we are responding to the wishes of the Cartoon Brew community at large who feel that the use of a photo was not respectful to the victim.


  • Troodle

    Bummer he lost his show, but I’m sure those still working on it know what they’re doing. Hope he finds some way to better control himself in whatever future things he does.

    • Corey the Boynton

      Don’t worry. Those still working on it definitely know what they’re doing, especially considering the fact that Page did barely any work on the show anyways.

      • Cyrus Veber

        Is that why he is credited in many episodes as a writer and storyboarder?

      • Troodle

        I guess I’ll have to take that one guys word for it. The post seemed angry so he was probably doing his best to distance the show from Page. But still, it was Skyler Page’s show, and now he has nothing to do with it. That seems a little sad to me.

  • Cyrus Veber

    Wow, so much proof that he is actually fired.

  • Gwen Rae

    Are you seriously going to close with that.

    • AmidAmidi

      Just to be clear, that was never intended to be a joke, and I was honestly surprised that it was taken as such.

      I thought the image and my text made the point clear: that Cartoon Network’s promotion of the show, not to mention the themes of the show itself, will be scrutinized very closely after this incident—and changes will be made. I expect such discussions will be happening at Cartoon Network’s highest levels in Atlanta over the coming weeks. Since those ideas were not expressed clearly enough for some readers, I have elaborated on that section to make it more clear.

      • Inkan1969

        It’s such a bizarre coincidence that CN was using “hugs” as their theme for that week’s new premieres.

      • Barrett

        I didn’t take the ad image at the end to be a joke per se, but I did view it as a mix of factual statement (the shows marketing now appears creepy and prescient in unintended ways) with acerbic dark amusement at the now-awkward “coincidence” of the image and the circumstances.

        I don’t view it as making light of what any of the women who this guy harassed, just pointing out something odd many would erroneously term “ironic.”

  • https://twitter.com/KlooKloo Todd Simmons

    Good. Drop Page, remove his name from the show, recast his voice, and keep it going for all the people who work hard on it. CN did the right thing very quickly and without any hand-ringing, wondering who the “actual victims” are.

    • DoritoDorito

      How did CN do the right thing if no charges were filed and nothing was prosecuted? As a man, you should be terrified that any woman can accuse you of anything they wish online, they can destroy your career and reputation without providing a shred of evidence to prove their accusation just as this woman did. As a man you are a sitting duck if some woman decides she does not like you and levies assault charges on social media. In fact, I hope it happens to you. Wake up dude. Not every accusation is for real and you must question the veracity of such claims when the authorities have been bypassed. I completely reject the sentiment of Katie Rice who whines how hard it is to be open about assault as the risks are so scary – If one takes that attitude, they are leaving ALL women vulnerable to attack – if the police are not involved and this guy IS guilty, then other women are at risk. Ladies, if you are attacked YOU MUST GO TO THE POLICE. If they do not take you seriously, THEN you use social media, but you better have evidence. I truly hope this man sues if he is innocent. Remember the constitution of the united states, We all have the right to resumption of innocence and we all have the right to not be accused of things without the proper recourse to defend our names.

      • My Ocean

        I fear for the women you know in your life since you seem to be unclear how sexual assault cases are handled in the US. Hint: it overwhelmingly goes in the assaulter’s favor, not the survivor.

        Why are you so sure that Page ISN’T guilty of sexual harassment, and how would you know more about the circumstances than CN’s HR department?

        • Jose Fabian

          Why are you? He’s just saying we should hold off on judgment, while you are saying he’s guilty right off the bat?

          • Anne

            I think it’s pretty logical to jump to the conclusion that he’s guilty right off the bat. His personal friend, Jeff Rowe, wrote on Tumblr giving the story some context. He writes as if it had happened. If his close friend isn’t accusing him of being wrongfully accused, maybe it’s not way out there for people who only have the article to go buy to think maybe he’s guilty.

      • Ant G

        This is not a men vs women issue, anyone can get harassed in a work place.

        Pretty sure no one wants to work with or hire someone who would falsely incriminate a co-worker. That’s career suicide and I’m sure the victim who came forward knew this.

        Also, your comments on here must be bait, you are literally the only one making an opposite argument and the way you exaggerate your points is exactly how a troll would to bait for attention.

      • Rich Uncle Skeleton

        How exactly are you supposed to prove that somebody touched you inappropriately, or said something to make you feel uncomfortable? Just carry around recording equipment at all times?

        Fact of the matter is, historically, when people have gone to the cops or some higher governing body to report an act of sexual abuse, it’s blown off, covered up, etc. Look at Penn State. There’s nothing the police can do if somebody goes to them saying “this person touched me inappropriately”. You can’t prove that. The fact that this guy has all kinds of people coming out against him is about the best you’re gonna get with evidence in this case.

        • Dr. Applebox

          Saying something that makes you feel UNCOMFORTABLE is a crime now?

        • Weaver2

          Often it can’t be proven. This is a tragedy of circumstance, but it doesn’t mean we should just throw out innocent before proven guilty.

      • Jerkface

        Yeah, because thats the problem here. The handful of times something like you’ve said actually happened vs the hundreds and thousands of times women have been flat out ignored and told that it was their personal fault for being taken advantage of. It is scary you putz, you’ve clearly never had to personally deal with a situation like this as a person supporting a friend who went through it, or being the person who said event happened too. Man or woman.

        How many fedoras you got buddy?

      • Justin

        Do you know statistics of sexism/abuse regarding women in the workplace? Please stop victim blaming and start educating yourself. Multiple people have come out against him.

        Also, stating that being open about assault is scary for women is NOT whining. What a horrible thing to say!

      • Maritza

        Well, her sentiments are real. After all, there’s people who speak out and there’s always the asshole like you that calls them a liar.

      • https://twitter.com/KlooKloo Todd Simmons

        You’re a ghoul.

      • Scott Rothman

        I’m a man, and you’re a dingus. She wasn’t ‘attacked,’ she was groped.

        I’m not afraid of false accusations. The FBI reports that 2% of these types of cases are “unfounded,” which only implies that they MIGHT have been made up.

        What makes you think any women would want to go through the hell that is a sexual abuse allegation if she didn’t have to, or feel it was important.

        • SCROB TV

          Scott, you should be as ashamed of your statement about victims of false accusations just as much as anyone who makes such a statement about real victims of violence and sexual assaults. Every accusation should be taken seriously and at the same time nobody should be considered guilty unless you actually saw it yourself.

          I do not believe this is a false accusation case but they do exist and they are way higher than 2%.

          There are a lot of famous recorded cases where women and girls have lied, some to get attention, some for revenge, some because they just made it up and others pushed them to make it public so they gave in and lied in court. And there were no repercussions, no fines, no jail time for the false accuser once it came out. Some people are also genuinely mentally handicapped and just make things up. It’s not their fault. It’s your fault, Scott.

          Why would you claim that for someone who makes up a story, it’s a hell? It’s obviously ONLY a hell if it happened, while the false accusers make it even harder for real victims. Did you even consider that before you typed this nonsense? No it’s not a hell if it’s made up. Why would it be a hell if it’s made up?

          Andreas Türk is a famous German talk show host, who always blindly kissed women’s ass on every topic. Then he lost his entire career and was trashed endlessly in public by people like you until the supposed victim came out and admitted she just made it up. Oops. Oh well, career gone, friends gone, reputation gone, change your name and, oh wait you’re famous, yeah no point, everybody knows you. She didn’t even do it for money, just because when she made it up, she didn’t know it would end in court.

          I often ask people if they remember him and they all say, “Oh yeah that guy he raped someone”. They never heard the truth, because it wasn’t as juicy, just a footnote.

          Maybe you just purposely ignore all the cases of famous athletes who get trashed by jealous ex gfs. Maybe you don’t care about all the fathers that lose their children because their ex wife makes up a story.

          Even when they admit it, there is no punishment for them. You know, because they are women.

          Ever heard of Run DMC. Run was in an elevator with a woman. Nothing happened. She claimed he had raped her in the elevator and tried to get a ton of cash from him. Only because he had enough money to prove it, it came out that the woman had already done this to another man, who lost all his money and his freedom. Probably getting tortured and raped everyday in jail. But you don’t care about that. It’s not interesting to you. No matter how famous the case, you just spill your unfounded claims.

          Let me make this clear, this is about you, not the victim in this story, I do believe her. But I can’t tolerate you making up crap about real victims of false accusations until it happens to you. Then you whine and hope someone helps you. Why would any man support you then, when you spit on anyone just because they were accused? See how many women will help you then. Your life will be over and you can be glad if you don’t go to jail and get raped everyday by psychotic murderers.

          You people have 0 problem admitting that innocent people got fried on the electric chair due to mistakes and false accusations but for that one topic of rape, everything is suddenly upside down.

          That’s why false rape charges are commonly used to get rid of the competition. Remember the woman who accused 2Pac Shakur of raping her. Oh yeah turned out she gave him oral sex ON THE DANCE FLOOR in public, days before. You could say he should have been more careful, any woman could be sent to get him. But then you’d have to admit it happens.

          I’m tired of giving you examples of famous cases for you to ignore, watch some sports news once in a while. Guilty until enough money spent to prove your innocence.

          • Ravlic

            It does depend on where you live though, where I live the idea that rape or sexual harassment are serious enough that your career will be in danger is positively laughable. It’s practically treated as an accident.

            But finally someone points out the problem without defending an obviously guilty person. This is not a black and white issue as so many are making it seem and it’s awful that thinking about it gets called “victim blaming”.
            However, it’s also not really a problem that has a solution. Rape is a mental crime, an otherwise normal act turns into crime simply by one person being unwilling and that doesn’t always leave evidence. Sexual harassment especially doesn’t. So you can’t expect the same rigor to be applied to it as with other, more physical cases. I wish there could be punishment for women who lie about such a serious offense, but unfortunately that would only increase the stigma on victims. But on the other hand, we also have to think of the victim who can be hurt by false accusations, especially in more liberal countries. It’s in a way similar to bribery, which is also very difficult to prove and yet will continue to run rampant if something is not done about it.

            At best I can tell you I think women should have the upper hand because the number of women I know who haven’t been touched inappropriately by strangers (myself included) comes down to that one girl who barely leaves her house. Perhaps what we should do is create the most vile stigma against lying about such a serious issue instead of focusing on taking away legitimacy from other victims’ suffering by saying lying about rape is a common occurrence?

            The unfortunate thing is, you can’t expect men themselves to create a big enough taboo against this so it doesn’t happen as often. It never worked until the law got involved (well, not even then). And how does law handle something that barely leaves any evidence without resorting to hearsay?

          • http://pickledperfection.blogspot.com/ Andrea K Haid

            Rape is not a “mental crime”. It is very much so a physical crime.

          • Princess Sparkle

            I think you might be overreacting a tad.

        • Emilio Decastro

          The fact that the number is low shouldn’t rob you of your skepticism. What if you’d been on the jury for the duke lacrosse case? Would you have sent those guys to prison based on a false allegation simply because the allegation, statistically speaking, was *unlikely* to be false? If you think about it at all, what you’re advocating is insane.

      • Maritza

        “I completely reject the sentiment of Katie Rice who whines how hard it is to be open about assault as the risks are so scary, ife one takes that attitude, they are leaving ALL women vulnerable to attack”

        Well, some women will speak up. And there will be always at least an asshole like you who calls them liars.

      • rubi-kun

        You know, the same bullshit you’re spewing is exactly the sort of thing that makes life even more difficult for ALL victims of sexual harassment and abuse, including men.

        • journey

          I guess we should just let people get away with sexual assault then, because the poor person who got their boob squeezed or butt slapped by the a$$hole doesn’t have any proof that they did it. We should also let all the child molesters and rapist in this world run around assaulting whoever they want unless someone caught their actions on a high resolution camera..
          Most people AREN’T selfish liars, and we shouldn’t base our lives around the real liars, just be cautious of them.

          • rubi-kun

            I assume you meant to respond to DoritoDorito? Since I agree with you.

      • Krystal

        Wow you need to stop

      • VertMB

        Why are you putting the victim on trial? The victim is the victim for crying out loud not a criminal suspect out to ruin someone’s life for the hell of it.
        Why does she require to prove herself to some stranger on the internet before she speaks up?

        • Weaver2

          You know the victim goes to court too, right? In like every crime except those in which they are incapacitated or dead?

      • mops

        Except women who DO go to the authorities are often made to jump through emotional rings of fire just to get anything done about anything, especially if there’s no ~physical evidence~ and just her word. And even if there is phsyical evidence, perpetrators are VERY RARELY prosecuted, and once again, if they are, they’re let go with just a slap on the wrist. It’s a lot easier and a lot cleaner to report to one’s employers and reach out to your friends in a social circle and spread awareness for a person’s behavior.
        Do you REALLY think it’s more important to focus on the 1% of false accusations when the other 99% are women being literally assaulted? really, you care more about that 1% of dudes than that 99% of women? You’re trash.

        • DangerMaus

          Let’s see if you still think that way if you ever become one of the 1%. Or maybe you will be one of those rare ones who will say, “hey, losing my career and having my life permanently ruined was worth it for those other 99% of times where it was true”.

      • Von Betelgeuse

        As a woman, I’d say you must go to the police because if a degenerate sexual offender is on the loose, he will attack other women, it could be your sister, your cousin, your mother. *Always go the police*

      • Dale P

        Like many creative industries, animation is very male-dominated at present. To get into the field at all takes a lot of hard work and talent for any woman – some might say more than a man might require because of the established gender bias.

        Do you really think, after all that struggle to get into the industry in the first place, it’s that easy to make an accusation like this about someone so well known? You are putting your career on the line and possibly incurring the wrath of not only your peers and colleagues, but also fans and the Internet legions. It’s not something I imagine anyone would do on a whim or to “get back at” someone.

        As for gathering evidence, what form of evidence do you suppose there is? And after being assaulted in any way, do you really think the average person would have the presence of mind to gather it?

        “Not every accusation is real” is the “not all men” of abuse accusations. I think we’re all aware that this is the case. Having to deal with this hot air is a huge reason why those who have been abused in some fashion are so hesitant to speak up.

      • Cougatz

        what’s resumption of innocence?

      • What?

        How do you know this isn’t for real, where is YOUR evidence? Stop talking, please

      • Majesty

        I actually really agree with this statement, it’s true as a women I have to be careful of people who would try funny business. Sometimes as a women I have to make calls on weather or not to call these people out on their actions because I’ve decided that they’ve overstepped. It is completely agreeable that women can make men suffer really irreversible consequences without proof but it kind of makes me relieved in a way as well because people are so willing to believe us when we say “please, i don’t have any proof but what am i supposed to do? film him in the act? snapchat?” It is a bit worrisome to think that bitter women with vendettas towards men can accuse them like this, i understand the concern, but i feel like 9 times out of 10 there’s going to be a reason behind this. Maybe this is just my faith in my own sex, but in any case I agree with the point you made about her going to the authorities and handling this with a little more discretion, though in other cases it is certainly understandable why she might jump strait into the social media. I don’t believe these to be one of those cases so i’m going to be honest when i say, she should have told someone before whining to the rest of the world. It just created more drama, and it’s very much unnecessary. Thank you C.N for being so decisive in your decision about this matter. And thank you Doritos for sharing the other view point in this. I hope no one thinks i’m being unfair, I’m simply expressing an opinion where i think the girl could have approached this problem differently resulting in a more adult conclusion rather than finger pointing and taking sides immaturely.

        • Ravlic

          The guy was a freakin’ sexual offender all around the office! What she did is completely justified and no-one was surprised that the guy acted like that. Was she supposed to be just another case sexual harrassment swept under the carpet?
          This is like, one of the worst cases where you could argue something like this.

        • Matthew Broussard

          Thanks for being one of the only people who actually read Dorito’s comment for what it actually was and not as an incendiary anti-victim speech.

      • toot

        because this isnt the first person to complain about it? lots of people, even men have told them of witnessing this guy be a shithead

      • MaskedManAICN

        Clearly, you missed the part of the article where several people mentioned he has this problem- and that everyone in the office should know not to be alone with him.

        And see how terrified you are about ‘any woman’ destroying your career? That’s pretty much how it feels to someone when this happened too. A whole lot of, ‘wtf’, ‘why did this happen’, ‘what did I do wrong’, ‘will the company just fire me rather than deal with this?’ Nice to know you get it.

      • http://cyanide-and-lace.tumblr.com Skylar Sunday

        You do know that only 1% of the population lies about assault, right? This was like reading the ramblings of an MRA nut.

        • JocularJoe

          It doesn’t matter if it’s .0001 percent, it still warrants investigation.

          • http://cyanide-and-lace.tumblr.com Skylar Sunday

            And this accusatory attitude is why many women don’t speak up about assault.

          • Matthew Broussard

            Because it would warrant investigation? How is saying that it would in any way accusatory?

          • BoredCat

            No it’s the fact you dudes have this habit of conveniently dismissing all the testimonies backing up these kind of accusations in favor of the off-chance that this is one of those wacky .00001 incidents where the victim is making all of this shit up. It’s annoying and manipulative. it’s the reason most rape accusations go unreported because you have to deal with the hoop-jumping of trying to convince people that you were wronged in a society that generally seems to be apathetic towards this shit and treats it like an inconvenience.

        • Leroy

          Would you like to provide a source for that claim regarding the percentage of the population that lies about being sexually assaulted or did you just make that statistic up?

          • http://cyanide-and-lace.tumblr.com Skylar Sunday

            Probably from all the research papers I’ve had to do in college from it as well as many organizations bent on debunking it. Or you know, I could have just made it up to make you tip your fedora just an inch more. :)

          • Leroy

            That isn’t a citation…

        • TacoPie

          The funny things about this is that these stats come from the number of reported incidents that result in a conviction, and yet many of the same people who cite them also discourage victims of abuse from going to the police in the first place.

          Meanwhile the conviction rate of assaults that go unreported is 0%.

      • JocularJoe

        But DoritoDorito is bringing up a good point, dunno why you guys are getting up in his grill about it rather than trying actual discourse. After all, false accusations ARE a thing, and they HAVE happened before. As for all these people “coming out against him” read the article again. Partridge refused to name any names until AFTER another woman pointed the finger at Page. After that, it’s all bandwagon. Am I saying he’s innocent? No. What I am saying, as DoritoDorito has already said, is that we’re all innocent until PROVEN guilty.
        If he’s guilty though, then he needs to be punished for his actions.

      • Casey

        There’s been more than just this though. It’s not like this is the first time anything happened. CN is justified because they have seen him go through a lot more than just this, and this was more believable due to his past issues with mental illness and acting out of character

      • wanting the truth

        agree

      • Matt

        It sounds like this is something he’s done serially in addition to other forms of bad behavior. Neither of us are aware of what CN has known or hasn’t known up until this point. If he’s fired for simple being accused with no proof he’ll have plenty of options for recourse.

    • Troodle

      Don’t remove his names. The man has lost everything already. No need to kick him even more when he’s down.

  • arielrosenberg

    No words.

  • Tobi

    good

  • Mike Scott

    Sorry for anyone treating anyone badly.

  • DoritoDorito

    I hope this guy sues cartoon network as well as this woman for firing him over an unproven and unprosecuted accusation. Why do these women run to twitter rather than the police? If you have been sexually assaulted, go to the police, get a rape kit and prosecute. If you go online instead, do not expect me to take you seriously. it is too easy to destroy a person’s reputation simply by tweeting or posting on social media where people convict in the kangaroo court without any evidence. This is getting completely out of control. Sue Skylar, sue. I guess the internet has all but eradicated the core American value of presumption of innocence until a conviction by a jury of peers proves guilt by way of evidence presented in a fair trial.

    • Halloween_Jack

      Did you miss the part where the guy already had a reputation for doing this?

    • Salt

      Do you have proof he denied it?

    • Sigh…

      People who KNOW Skylar are admitting he has a problem with sexually assaulting females, genius. Proof enough there.

      • Helmi Bastami

        “Sigh” is right. As opposed to victim blaming, some people strangely and disturbingly obsessed with “culprit defending”. We know that roughly 0% of such allegations are false (less than 1% last I checked), and people are FAR more likely to get away with it than be falsely accused. But NOPE, someone’s been accused by MULTIPLE trustworthy people who are close to them? “Prove they’re not all lying”. Sigh.

        • BirdsandBombs

          Actually it’s more like half of accusations are false. A few studies shown here: http://www.mediaradar.org/research_on_false_rape_allegations.php While I do believe Page is guilty, given that multiple people are coming forward and know the guy to do this, there is no reason to discount the fact that years later, some people recant on their accusations. Statistics are skewed due to this since often times revisions will not be made. Accusations hurt the people who have been accused and people who might become victims. Please do not take false accusations lightly. There must always be evidence so that no one else gets hurt. This doesn’t mean I am victim blaming, I am strongly against that.

          • Helmi Bastami

            Tried looking up the 1st source study, since the results are SHOCKINGLY different than every other modern or well done study I’ve ever seen. (This should ring alarm bells, just like if someone weighs oxygen and finds it weighs more than lead, or when a Flat Earther quotes a study from a half a century ago in which the no curvature was found in the Earth, but ignores all the modern studies.)

            Guess what I found? Other than an echo chamber of MRA websites all quoting each other (like the one you linked), the original source (from 1985!) seems non-existent. One of the first results, however, is a PDF of someone going over their search for the study, and the laughably major flaws in it. The % counted “lying” is apparently based on the OPINION of the man doing the study in 1985 on this small data set. Great. You’ve linked me to self-reverberating echo-chamber with about as much credibility as a creationist echo chamber. They have such “studies” too. Try looking them up BEFORE you quote them as fact next time.

    • Rich Uncle Skeleton

      Disgusting. Please crawl back to the hole you came from.

    • hydra

      It’s very, very rare that these kinds of things are lied about. Check your male privilege at the door.

      • oppo4

        Male privilege? I believe that Skylar Page did this, especially coming from all of the comments coming from others backing up her claim, but leave your social justice spiel out of it. Unless you’re just being facetious.

      • Leroy

        Do you have any proof/evidence that “these things are rarely lied about?” Didn’t think so.

        • My Ocean

          Most credible statistics go as low as two and as high as eight percent. Same as other crimes. Do you have any proof/evidence that false rape accusations happen at a greater rate than other false crime accusations?

      • Sea

        Did you seriously use “Check your privilege”? This isn’t Tumblr.

    • j.g.dangerfield

      He was judged by his peers. They found him guilty of being a untrustworthy scumbag and fired his ass.

    • My Ocean

      It’s also easy to destroy someone’s life by sexually assaulting them.

    • Juliana

      You know, I am assuming you’re a white, middle class male if you think going to the police would solve anything. No proof you say? Maybe we should install cameras on every woman’s forehead and see if that helps shall we?
      Harassment and sexual assault are crimes, and considering someone innocent until proven otherwise is just a shitty way to punish offenders because (a) it completely invalidates the victims voice in this and (b) you seriously think letting someone impune for the simple fact that he says “didn’t do it” is a value? you’ve got to be shitting me.
      Turning to he police or even the “authority” in this case being HR I guess wouldn’t solve anything. The world IS misogynist and probably what would happen is them saying “well you can’t prove it” just like your stupid ass. Thus letting the agressor free to do it again, and do it worse.
      Turning to social media on the other hand puts the attackers face and name out there. Even though nothing happens usually (so glad CN did the right thing to get rid of a sexual abuser from their studio) this way AT LEAST other people might be aware of how dangerous he is, and hopefully prevent future assaults.
      Stop telling people to get fucking rape kits. STOP. JUST STOP. People need to stop raping other people, NO ONE should walk around in fear and with any kind of weapon thinking it might be attacked at any time.
      STOP victim blaming. STOP protecting the agressor. JUST. STOP.

      • Leroy

        Stop presuming the accused to be guilty and the accuser to be a victim without sufficient evidence. JUST. STOP.

      • Dr. Applebox

        “Innocent until proven guilty is a bad idea.”
        “Stopping rape from ever happening ever is totally an achievable goal.”
        My head hurts from reading this.

    • Elliott

      Ahahahahah unproven.

      That’s funny.

    • kvmowat

      probably because the police, like the judicial system at large, don’t take rape and sexual assault victims seriously.
      And also I don’t think you need to tried by a jury of your peers to get fired from cartoon network.

      • Dr. Applebox

        “don’t take rape and sexual assault victims seriously.”
        Are you insane? Do you even live on planet earth?

        • Mormo

          D’oh! you got us! turns out us ladies are just making all this up because we’re hysterical dames who want attention.

          • DangerMaus

            What does your response have to do with his response that the original poster has a screw loose for thinking that the police and the judicial system allegedly do not take sex crimes seriously? He never said anywhere in his comment that women are all hysterical dames making stuff up to get attention.

          • Dr. Applebox

            Um, how is that in any way related to what I said?

    • KittyKartoonist

      Skyler sue Cartoon Network? Over what?

      “Yeah, I sexually assaulted women on multiple occasions and people have either witnessed or heard about it from victims, your honor…” *Points finger assertively at Cartoon Network’s lawyer* “… But I’m suing because THOSE POOPY-HEADS FIRED ME FOR IT!”

      … Yeah, quite the logic there, DoritoDorito.

      • Von Betelgeuse

        I’m not defending this guy but it seems pretty weird they didn’t go to the police since sexual assault is illegal. Anyone can throw accusations, rarely someone lying about sexual assault would go to the police, that is why there should be no doubt in what happened and done through the official means (so teens can see how to deal with these things in the very least), otherwise it’s just a slinging match between people that might be after his job.

    • http://pickledperfection.blogspot.com/ Andrea K Haid

      Emily Partridge reported the issue to HR of Cartoon Network before she spoke of the incident on twitter. So HR would have done an investigation before firing Skyler Page.

    • Al

      It states she went to HR (and that the situation was being handled internally) BEFORE she went public with his name. She went public with his name to help other women in the industry protect themselves. Don’t act like the one committing sexual assault -according to the numerous sources listed here as well as the others going around Twitter right now- is the victim, when the person he hurt is putting her career on the line to speak up against his actions and work place violence. He would not have gotten fired over a series of tweets, this was already being investigated internally.

    • AuthorX

      She said in a quoted tweet that their HR was notified and dealing with it internally already, before the decision to let other people know about this and warn them to be careful around/stay away from him.

      The internet explosion may (or may not) have affected how quickly they came to that decision or announced it, but was not *just* a matter of going straight from Incident to Twitter to Fired.

    • Philip Kilner

      If CN sacked him, they will likely have been on solid legal ground. Translation for the hard of thinking: CN knows more about this than you do.

    • anonymous8

      1. Most jobs are at-will meaning you can get fired for no reason at all. You cannot sue over this.
      2. She went to HR about the incident
      3. Sexual assault doesn’t always mean rape

      • Ant G

        “Most jobs …. you can get fired for no reason at all”

        I doubt that is “most” jobs. That sounds illegal even, at least in the US.

        • http://www.geekgirlsonline.com/ Athena Hollow

          “At-will employment is a term used in U.S. labor law for contractual relationships in which an employee can be dismissed by an employer for any reason (that is, without having to establish “just cause” for termination), and without warning.”

          Unless you can prove they violated the Civil Rights Act in the US by firing you for specifically belonging to a legally protected class, there is no lawsuit whatsoever, and they don’t have to give you any reason at all. As well, if they can provide ANY reason why they would have fired you that is NOT that you are part of a protected class, they generally are able to skirt it entirely, unless the proof is so beyond obvious that even a blind monkey could see it. Gotta love US employment laws *groans*

    • James

      If the people who had been victims of Page went to the police they’d probably get the same old shit they always get, “what were you wearing” “you probably should’ve covered up” “men are men”, etc.

      Using social media as a form of letting people know someone is a creep is usually one of the only ways you can do something and get legitimate feedback, help, and most who wont judge because 1/3 of the time another woman has had the same happen or someone else has heard about this.

      That “American value” Was there from the start, but when so many people are arguing against your favor, everyone from the random co-worker to (ex)Head-of-Story who worked closely with him, innocence is discarded quickly

    • Forastero

      Don’t know how it is in your country, but at least in mine, going to the police is worth nothing. To prove the case, they have a very sexually invasive process to determine if the case is sexual assault or not. After that, there is no protection or support for the victim, the case can take months or years, and the stress is simply not worth it. In twitter, they can find support in the community; wich is something that, in her position, she very much needs.

    • Vic

      1. She already alerted HR.
      2. She only named him after someone else did.
      3. What kind of moron thinks you need a rape kit in a workplace sexual harassment issue?

    • The Nerd Herd

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    • VertMB

      He’s not going to sue because he and everyone else knows he’s guilty, people know what he’s like.

    • son no

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  • Copper

    I would just like to say that most of the reactions to this make me really happy. It’s nice to see so many people standing up for her, she made a brave decision to speak out about it. Animation industry, you made me proud today.

    • Ravlic

      After seeing a constant lack of consideration about anything related to women from guys on the internet and my father, this just restored a bit of my faith in mankind. It’s so strange to see people insulting behavior like this as something only an inconsiderate jackass does instead of commenting stuff like “Well not all of us guys are like this” or “She must be lying” or “Boys will be boys” or some variation of such.

  • DueProcess

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  • qwertyui

    “serious issue” *includes bit about ET hand* journalism!

    Do you guys even have a female writer?

    • Fried

      What does being a female writer have to do with this? Even Emily re-tweeted it after posting all her “serious issue” comments. Is she less of a woman for doing so?

      Your comment makes no sense. This article is literally including every tiny tweet that is tagged around the issue, Emily, or Page. That’s fine journalism to me, it makes it very convenient for me to keep track of everything that people have been saying.

  • RealName

    So did he do it?

  • Nicollo

    Fun fact: Patrick Harpin didn’t leave Clarence, he was fired because he was difficult to work with and tended to behave terribly towards women as well. He’s also known for taking credit for things where it isn’t due. It’s terrible that this has happened in our community, but for someone to try and take advantage of a terrible situation such as this is messed up. Take from that what you will.

    • clapthreetimes

      Source?

      • Source

        I am a source. I’m not going to give my name and become a victim of all the stupidity and misogynistic comments the internet has to offer. And i’m not the only one. There are MANY sources! for BOTH of these guys. Honestly Patrick Harpin shouldn’t have put his commentary out there with all the skeletons in his closet. If you went to CalArts with Skylar or Harpin you know they both have a checkered past. Harpin has a history of beating at least one of his ex girlfriends and cheating on them multiple times. I’m sure there are a lot of people, male and female, who are having a hard time holding their tongue while this situation unfolds without calling out how terrible they are. Patrick Harpin trying to call Skylar out to make himself the hero, what a joke, NO WAY can we let that happen. There are a lot of people who know what happened behind the scenes. We don’t need to give all of you nosey people who are not in the situation anything additional information except that it happened. It’s true. Because it did happen we don’t have to justify ourselves to the opiate masses. Being artists a lot of us will be tactful or courteous when talking about another artist. In general even when we know these people aren’t the best examples of character because no one wants to talk shit. It’s a small industry. But with these two putting themselves on the chopping block they’re asking for all their dirty laundry to get dragged back up.

        • clapthreetimes

          So basically I should take an anonymous comment on the internet as fact. If that’s the case I’m still gonna stick to my guns here and say Patrick Harpin is a decent fellow.

        • Frank Panucci

          Re:
          “We don’t need to give all of you nosey people who are not in the situation any additional information.”

          Yes! Yes you do! Secret filth & dirty laundry is what we live fer.

    • Robert Holmén

      I’m surprised an anonymous, defamatory comment like that meets the CB commenting standards.

      • Ryoku240

        I’m sure the mods have their hands full as it is with the white-knight battles raging on in the comments section.

    • empathylouis

      Where’s the proof? Where’s the beef?

  • TTDILA.COM

    Amid thanks for revealing what happened, but please lose the advertising joke at the end, it’s out of place. You could take any image and make it seem dirty out of context.

    • L_Ron_Hoover

      Why are you thanking him for something that should have remained private? It’s none of your business.

  • The Nerd Herd

    Can’t wait for CN’s official apology of Page and a public statement on their stance against sexual harassment. No? Anyone?

  • Fried

    I know he had a rep for this, but was he _notorious_ for it before working at CN? Because I’m wondering why they would have hired him in the first place if they knew. Typically, it’s that kind of reputation that makes you a “risk for hire” isn’t it?

    I’m just seeing the comments where people can decide if they want to work for him, but this is assuming he works for another studio and not independent in which case this sort of deal will make it very hard for him to get hired in the first place, so how did he score a job at CN? Was this his first major offense?

    • misslady

      A lot of people in this industry stay away from the person they know is poison, and it’s not like the heads of the networks talk to the people that know him (especially the artists). I’m sure he won them over with his idea and “charm”. If you read, he assaulted someone who wasn’t even on his show! But a lot of peope backing up Emily stayed away from his production. It’s a tricky place in this industry…

      • Barrett

        Maybe this can be a “teachable moment” for the suits, and they can do more at all stages of the hiring and development process to actually develop real connections with the prime creatives of their studio, so that they will no longer be out of the loop on things like this. Sitting in a cloistered office surrounded by MBAs is no way to get the best talent pool for your cartoon show, it just becomes an echo chamber of what you and the other suits happen think works and what doesn’t. Let this be a lesson to all of them.

    • https://twitter.com/KlooKloo Todd Simmons

      Because no one spoke up publicly before. Because for 50,000 years if a woman spoke up she was punished for it.

  • blandyblottschalk

    Unfortunate situation. As a fan of Clarence, I hope proper credit goes to who help make the show and they can work out their work environment issues.

  • Toonio

    Attention Executive producers, get rid of your mentally ill personell before it bites you in the ass. The so call “he/she has been working with me for so many years ” doesn’t justify getiing your show potentially cancelled due to liabilities.

    • Fried

      “…get rid of your mentally ill personell before it bites you in the ass.”

      Yes, let’s continue to treat people with mental illnesses as instant criminals and burdens like society has been doing for centuries.

      Fact is, even someone who doesn’t have a mental illness can commit sexual harassment. Somehow vilifying people with conditions isn’t going to make crime rates go down.

      • Toonio

        Mentally ill personnel that don’t get their disease in check ARE potential criminals.

        Do you think those shootings at workplaces/malls are video games by products? Give me a break will ya!

        There are so many bipolar and schizophrenics individuals in the animation industry that all they do is hurting the workplace.

        You see amazing people walking out the door due to the cuckoo animation supervisor or the OCD director.

        We ALL DO have problems, no doubt about it. But hurting people knowing there is a condition is plain irresponsible.

        If you cannot function within a team you should get the f out the office no matter how you paint it.

  • Sim x

    Publicizing someone’s shame can lead them to suicide. Particularly of someone who is said to suffer mental instability.

  • FrankyD

    You mean they used her tweets that she posted on a public website? Oh the humanity!

    • PhoenixDetective

      You have a point. You don’t publicly come out calling a show runner for a children’s cartoon for sexual assault and not expect some sort of article to inform others on the situation. Wasn’t the whole point of her tweeting this in the first place was that she wanted to spread awareness? But now when someone does help to spread the word she doesn’t want it to be re-blogged or RT. I’m seriously confused on her intentions here.

    • Ravlic

      You’d think they personally stole her photos just so they’d spite her. It’s a public website. Your photos are gonna go public. It’s not that hard to figure out.

  • Dot Dot Dot

    Exposing him on twitter means other women will be informed and will avoid similar situations/him. As a woman I don’t need you white knighting to keep us from “white knights,” thanks.

    • Ant G

      I wasn’t whiteknighting women, so not only did you miss my point, but you tried to refute it by pulling the spokesperson card: the classic “as a (person for this group) I will attempt to validate my opinion as a general consensus for this entire group.” As a human being, Im here to remind you, don’t. Thanks.

      • RussBurlingame

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      • white knight

        Pretty sure the amount of feminists trying to convince men to care about sexual harrassment shows that women do in fact want men to not turn a blind eye to this issue. Treating sexual harrassment as a “female problem” and using the “white knight” strawman to insult men who care is exactly how so many men get away thinking sexual harrassment is just a bit of horseplay.

  • Fried

    Every person commenting here is happy what Emily did, yet this one guy is considered the “average CartoonBrew reader”?

    I forgot how 1 is greater than 50.

  • Fried

    I appreciated it. Hey, if Pen Ward can make a joke during this time and Emily approves of it, why can’t Amid?

    • Spom

      Because Pen Ward is her friend and was in her company and this is a dude who wrote an article and used her photo without her permission and then made a frankly tasteless joke at the end said article. Duh?

      • AmidAmidi

        Just to be clear, that was never intended to be a joke, and I was surprised that it was taken as such.

        I thought the image and my text made the point clear: that Cartoon Network’s promotion of the show, not to mention the themes of the show itself, will be scrutinized very closely after this incident—and changes will be made. I expect such discussions will be happening at Cartoon Network’s highest levels in Atlanta over the coming weeks. I’ve since elaborated on this part of the piece to make these ideas more clear.

      • Naota Nandaba

        Sorry its fair game when you publish your life to twitter or other social sites.

  • Copper

    How are they the average CB reader? Most of us are on Patridge’s side.

  • Danny Hynes

    This article is using photos of Emily against her wishes and is a blatant bid for clicks (exclusive?! how is that relevant except to say ‘you must click OUR page’?) This is a new low for this site. And it’s sad that you can’t remove yourself from writing in your glib ‘voice’ even for an issue as serious as this. This is a time for the entire community to rally together and declare that this is not acceptable behavior…that we won’t foster a culture of fear for anyone who works among us. And the fact that the loudest voice in the community can’t spot that and stand with us…and instead spent last night being ignorant on twitter and then backpedaling…infuriates me to no end.

    • AmidAmidi

      The exclusive is in the headline, which is Skyler Page being fired from Cartoon Network. We were the first media organization to publish official word from Cartoon Network regarding that development.

      • Danny Hynes

        I understand what exclusive you were referring to. I take issue with the fact that you felt a need to point it out. Exclusive in the headline refers to Cartoon Brew the website. It is exclusive to YOU. It’s making it about yourself and running your business like a business when it would have been better to leave that end aside for this particular article. It was in poor taste. I stand by that.

      • Maritzac

        That’s all fine and dandy, but could you please remove Emily’s photos? She has specifically said she didn’t like that, and I’d like to retweet you guys.

  • YazzoB

    “Skyler Page is not finding much support from his co-workers” – should he? I would sure as heck hope they wouldn’t try to defend his actions. This whole article doesn’t come off as incredibly supportive towards any victims of abuse, and the fact that it uses pictures and tweets from Emily’s Twitter without getting permission from her just makes it feel like a gossip column. The compassionate thing to do would be to at LEAST ask the permission of someone who’s already gone through enough as it is.

    I can at least sort of understand why some people would be defensive about publicly outing someone for abuse like that and not dealing with it privately. However, If you go doing stuff like that, REPEATEDLY, I would think that people warning others of your actions is totally fair, and is the best option to protect others. Stuff like this has gone on for far too long in workplaces, with people (women AND men) too afraid to speak out, so I’m really proud that so many people working in animation have come out and said it, and that CN has handled it appropriately. Being silent helps no one (not even the abuser, if they continue their bad behavior and end up in an even worse situation).

  • The Chimpening

    Thank you, based Amid.

  • KyleVanch

    I agree with you 100%.

  • Dustin Harbin

    This is an “exclusive”? What’s exclusive here? Is it all the tweets, strung together to form some sort of narrative? Is it the pictures you’ve chosen? Is it the sensationalizing of an event that was traumatic for at least one person, or the posting that sensationalized event here where people can comment on it, with the added benefit of being served your ads? Amid, I think the only thing “exclusive” here is the news that you would sink to this gutter level of casualty-vampire muckraking. I don’t know if you consider yourself a journalist or attempt to comport yourself as one, but this isn’t it. You should do and be better.

  • Brill 93

    My two little cents in this. Of course you did the right thing of going to HR and reporting him, but revealing his name to the public was really barbaric, not for the sake of his reputation but for which this could lead to. You could have went to the police and filed a report against him even in the tweets she has said that HR is dealing with it, but yet she just went to twitter exposing this. The reason why I am upset is the fact that this can lead to people thinking this is a way to handle sexual assault by exposing them on the internet. That can be bad because it can lead to an innocent person to being accused of sexual assault if they have a dispute over an issue, and or people harassing the culprit to the point further than the situation already is. We don’t need to start this passing the note in class stuff to battle things out. If you say HR is doing something leave it up to them. What happens if the guy gets death threats and something actually happens? Of course you have a right to feel upset and feel uncomfortable, but doing this on twitter is just wrong and can lead to something extremely serious in the future.

    • Dot Dot Dot

      Why is it her responsibility to protect his reputation? Why should she be more concerned with the safety of his reputation than the safety of the women who would work with him? How is she in any way responsible for what your hypothetical false accuser chooses to do with the means already available to everybody with access to the internet?

      • Brill 93

        Did you not read “Not for the sake of his reputation” or did I not say it clearly enough? I was saying the way how she handled it isn’t a safe action. Think about it, she announced that he has done something, but in all he could be receiving death threats, his family could be receiving them as well. You wouldn’t know, nor do I. I do know that sending something viral on the internet can be dangerous for both parties. We don’t know all the details to the situation, we don’t know in what “groping” way he harassed these women. Think about what this could do for future cases, if a person has a dispute over something they could go on twitter and expose something false, or something actually happened and do this instead of taking it to the right authorities. She has explained that she has told HR about the situation. If he was working at CN then she should have informed her fellow co workers and or told the police. This action is something I think she should have done differently. As I said before not for the sake of his reputation but for the actions of what this can lead to.

    • My Ocean

      False rape accusations don’t happen at a greater rate than any other false crime accusations. Why do you think this particular case is false?What do you know more than CN HR on the subject?

      Also, why are you more concerned with the accused’s reputation than the victim’s well-being? Why would you automatically take the side of an accused sexual predator and not the victim? Strange, very strange.

      • Fried

        Never did he say it was false, and he even said “Not for his reputation”, but he specifically said he did not like how the affair was handled. Blowing up on Twitter BEFORE actions by the police or CN was taken was just baiting people into forming a mob and jumping on the “Down with Skyler” bandwagon.

        It leads to the mentality that this is an appropriate course of action to take, which can be terrible if really immature people decide to use this “strategy” for cases that aren’t even close to sexual harassment and just situations they exaggerate or tell half-truths about.

        It’s all about bad influence and form, not about the action itself, which most of us agree did happen and the consequences were just. The path to getting there, however, was highly unprofessional and inappropriate, not only on Emily’s insistence to spam tweets and fight with every troll around, but on various other parties calling him a piece of shit and announcing who it was that Emily was complaining about in the first place.

        • My Ocean

          Sooo, you’re upset that a guy with his reputation lived up to it?

          And from what I read, the survivor wasn’t the one who first put his name out there to begin with. She spoke of her experience via Twitter, but it was someone else who revealed who she was talking about.

          If you want to talk “bad influence and form”, talk about how this guy was allowed to be “quirky” to the point of harming other people before anything was done about it, not the victim’s conduct.

      • Brill 93

        You clearly never read anything I have said, you just simply put me on the side of the accused when I never took his side. False crimes do happen, and that is why the concept of “innocent until proven guilty” is in place. To protect an individual from being harmed, or killed in a crime. Investigations needs to be seen through before you can start calling a person guilty. I’m assuming you never had jury duty because that is one of the first things they tell you why it is a civic duty because “innocent until proven guilty” is a huge step forward from a witch hunt.

  • emartin888

    Bravo Cartoon Network. For those in the know, CN’s leadership acted swiftly and responsibly and made everyone proud of the company.

    • Barrett

      How swift was it, really? Some people involved claimed that his issues were already a problem for the studio months ago, and he was taken off many aspects of production as a result. They also claim that “people knew that he had a reputation for this kind of thing” and that many women avoided being alone with him. If this kind of thing has been “known” for a while, and if this isn’t the first incident, it shows that HR was either oblivious or willing to look the other way for a time.

  • Brill 93

    He’s not justifying what Page was right, he’s just saying that going out on social media exposing someone for a situation that needs investigation isn’t the right thing to do at first. If you read the tweets she said HR is doing something about it but yet she went to twitter exposing him.

  • https://twitter.com/KlooKloo Todd Simmons

    First, I’m banning you from using the words “Lynch Mob” and “White Knight”. You are using them to try and shame and silence people who believe in standing with victims of oppression and/or violence. So fuck yourself for that.

    As to your second paragraph: Speaking up means others know that he’s dangerous and can protect themselves. Very simple.

    • Troodle

      I can’t help but feel there could have been a way to solve this without making Page a pariah. He seems to me to be a man that wanted to make cartoons, but now due to the way this was handled I doubt he’ll ever be able to do so.

    • Ant G

      a white-knight is someone who jumps at the chance to defend a group of
      others BEFORE acknowledging whether they can and will defend themselves.
      It’s condescension in the sense that the white-knight is reasserting
      that he is a person of privilege speaking for these other poor
      defenseless ones. It is very different from standing equally ALONG SIDE
      with that group of people who can speak for themselves.

      a lynch
      mob… well its use is pretty obvious. A mob mentality is always a
      dangerous thing, no public should ever attempt to take matters into
      their own hands and lynch someone else. Let the proper authorities look
      into it, they have the expertise for it and that’s what they’re here
      for. So put down your pitchforks, CN handled it accordingly.

      So yes you should be ashamed if you have the mental capacity to notice when you are white-knighting or participating in a lynch mob. And I will not fuck myself for using them, ban revoked.

    • Sim x

      You uphold your principles with an air of righteousness, then disregard them with bullish remarks…

  • Trey McDonald

    I… wow. Like WOW. I mean that’s something that you just don’t do and he violated someone’s professional and personal space at his own cost. That is amazing. I’m glad Clarence is still going on without the creator. Harassment is serious and jeopardizing your position like that is the worst move you could ever make.

  • VertMB

    “talk about kicking someone while they’re already down”
    Don’t assault women then? He bought it all upon himself so I have no sympathy.

    • Eustace2

      “Innocent until proven guilty”? What is it about leftists and ignoring these timeless legal rights? Fist it was freedom of speech.

      • destronomics

        why do you associate “concern for the victim” with the left? I’m curious.

  • Thomas Conyers

    Nice to see innocent until proven guilty and being anti-witch hunt are no longer politically correct notions and will get you labeled “black sheep” of the forum and told to shut up.

    • Majesty

      thank you. agreed.

  • urgletwang

    Until there are facts or at least specific accusations in public, why are we vilifying the accused person?

  • Steele Carter

    I have some very mixed feelings about this. IF the allegations are true, then by all means, Skyler Page should be fired. However, there seems to be a lot of details missing here.

    Ms. Partridge already told CN’s HR about the incident, and then she immediately took to Twitter about it. And it wasn’t until after one of her fellow friends outed Skyler’s name, that she confirmed it. To me, shouldn’t she be fired as well? HR already said they were going to look into it and then she goes to Twitter, exposing everything. She didn’t wait until the investigation was over. She just posted her feelings. Which is fine. However, when Skyler’s name was mentioned, she confirmed it. Something about that doesn’t sit well with me. It seems vindictive. Now, I know people may not agree with me, but maybe she should have waited until the investigation was over and said nothing at all. Maybe she did give him numerous chances and then she took to Twitter, however, I would like to know more details, especially if you’re going to take to Twitter and out a guy like that.

    Furthermore, she kind of manipulated the situation and wanted things to be done faster. And since the explosion of the situation caught fire on the Internet, CN was forced to fire the guy. Which brings me to another point, if this was known by artists in the industry, how come CN hired this guy? Was Ms. Partridge the only one that he assaulted? No one ever told HR about this guy before??? To me, just the very first incident of Mr. Page assaulting someone would be investigated and dealt with swiftly. And if it was found that he was in the wrong, then he should have been fired a long time ago.

    I just think that CN jumped the gun here. Maybe they found an opening to fire him? Who knows? And as someone stated here in the comments, CN is an at will work environment, meaning they can fire anyone for whatever reason and it is within their right to do so. And I’m also suspect of other co-workers calling him out. Where were these “knights” before? If they already knew about his behavior, why didn’t they say anything until now?

    I think this whole situation could have been dealt with a little more wisdom, that’s all. Unfortunately, Mr. Page will probably have a difficult time finding work, in the industry, because his reputation is ruined and if I were Ms. Partridge, I wouldn’t be patting myself on the back too much because other companies may be hesitant to hire her as well. :-/

    • My Ocean

      Something bad happened to this woman and you’re worried about Page getting hired elsewhere in the future? Unless you have information about this specific incident that hasn’t already been shared, what makes you think she’s to blame for his behavior?

    • Jay Strickland

      She was victim of a crime if she feels the need to out the perpetrator so others at her office can protect themselves that is her prerogative.

      • Steele Carter

        You’re absolutely right. It is her prerogative. But she should know that there are consequences to what she’s done. Even if what she says is true and Skyler is guilty, then the way that she called him out on Twitter won’t go un-noticed by other companies, which may, in turn, backfire on her in the long run.

        She must be prepared for the consequences of her actions. While she may be getting Internet high fives now, I do think this will prove problematic for her in the immediate future. Just have to wait and see.

      • Steele Carter

        Plus, I also have to add that it seems like Cartoon Network already knew about Skyler’s bad behavior. He should have been fired a long time ago. CN played a HUGE part in this, seeing that they wanted to try to sweep Skyler’s problem under the rug for a while. Now all parties involved have to suffer unfortunately.

  • Derik

    I’m sick and tired of these bratty rich white MALES from California, who, once they get in the spotlight, think it’s their right to do what they want, like they’re above everyone else.

    And for this to be only a few weeks after the devastating assault on people’s lives because one other rich white male from California had aggression towards women. It’s as if every week lately on the news there has been stories of sexual harassment towards woman or misogynist in places other than the islands or India.

    As much as it hurts to see these stories and see what a sick world we live in, I’m glad as hell that social media websites are having large lash-outs against that behavior. The greatest weapon we can all share against this harassment is our voices. So please don’t stop drilling into people’s heads, keep it coming to the point where respect to women is one of the top priorities in social environments.

    • Dr. Applebox

      Elliot Rodger was half Asian.

  • George Caltsoudas

    Question 1: Why is this titled an “Exclusive”?

    Question 2: Purely out of curiosity, is there any knowledge or hint of what exactly he did? It sounds very horrible.

    It sounds as if he must have had many yellow flags / warnings via complaints within the company for quite some time.

    • Ant G

      It’s an exclusive because CB was approached to publish this story. Presumably by the same lynch mob who tweeted the whole ordeal for the whole world to see before letting CN react appropriately.

  • Matt Burnett

    Would it kill this site to perhaps listen to the overwhelming voice of the community it supposedly promotes (despite the constant articles dumping on the hard work of hundreds of artists to make a snide joke about the Smurfs movie or whatever) and edit this tone deaf piece to at least remove Emily’s photo and the joke at the end? Or is this hard hitting, shining example of journalistic integrity (screencapped Twitter, sent an email to CN and got same form response several other outlets received) too important to compromise?

  • lola

    Pat’s an opportunistic hypocrite who beat one of his ex girlfriends. You want a source? Ask any of his old classmates. What he wrote was disgusting.

    Skyler shouldn’t have acted inappropriately. I am not defending his behavior and getting fired for it isn’t that surprising. HOWEVER. This public shaming is out of control. Twitter is distorting the situation and warping it into something far worse than it actually was. Ms. Partridge was in an uncomfortable situation and acted accordingly as she should have. He would have gotten in enough trouble. The public did NOT have to get involved.

    Also Amid: Nice article and tag image. I know you get your kicks off of being a sensationalist but have some damn class.

  • Fried

    Apparently he’s got a case of Bipolar 1 that’s gotten severely worse since production began on Clarence. Seems people mistook his behavior of him just being wacky and spastic.

    Of course he still committed a crime, but the answer “He should just not do it” is a really, really difficult thing to respond with in this situation. It’s like telling a depressed person “Just don’t be sad”. There’s way more to it than that and takes several courses of action to fix and prevent, not just a single simple thought.

  • Alan_Gabriel

    So you don’t have a cube-shaped head after all? JK

  • Bob’s conscience

    The ndaa states that only 0.6% of sexual assault cases are false. Have fun with that fact.

    • Wingo

      Oh thats only a COUPLE of people who unjustly lost their jobs and are now labeled a sexual deviant for the rest of their lives… So what?!

    • Leroy

      That isn’t a “fact” it’s just an un-cited claim as of now … and even if it were true…the burden of proof is still on the accuser. How do we know that this is not one of the .6 percent?

  • Claude

    As a man, can I just call bullshit? Like, I get what you’re saying, but Men do have significant privilege over women in terms of safety. The greatest risk to us is heart conditions. The greatest risk to women is other men.

  • http://www.aceandson.com/blog Richard O’Connor

    “Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” refers to citizen’s standing with the government -not their peer groups, not their employers. Cartoon Network has deemed this accusation as credible by firing the higher level, more valuable employee.

    How often do corporations can executives over specious or non-credible claims? not very.

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  • Quelyn

    Wow. So I read an article that made me incredibly proud of how everyone in the Cartoon Network is coming together and rallying for Emily. Then… in an unprecedented move, I read the COMMENT SECTION. And HOLY SHIT, there’s a bunch of awesome, wonderful people rallying together here as well. I love you guys.

    • Nick

      Yeah, I say that, on the whole, cartoon fans are like that. A lot of people like to stereotype us as “lonely, creepy virgins,” but we at least have enough basic human decency to condemn sexual assault.

    • urgletwang

      But what if he’s innocent?

      • Jay Strickland

        Keep in mind the indication was she initially submitted the complaint to HR, and HR conducted an investigation. Only while waiting for the results did she decide to tweet about it so her coworkers could protect themselves. So this does not appear to be a public pressure caused firing this appears to be an HR investigated reason for firing.

    • rubi-kun

      There’s still some MRA trolls in the comments, but it seems with Disqus that’s inevitable.

      • GreatJobM80

        I remember when I used to consider everyone who had opinions I didn’t like “trolls”. Then I became an adult.

    • Pitchguest

      Please. I wouldn’t like being groped either, but she’s taking the matter of Skyler’s guilt into the court of public opinion. The guy is also, apparently, seriously mentally ill and this incident was apparently during one of his episodes. A friend of his even commented that afterwards they had to get him to a hospital to get him treatment, strapping him down onto a bed because he was delirious.

      (Suffering from a form of bipolar disorder where he can get episodes similar to schizophrenia.)

      He’s being held over the hot coals over this. I don’t think this is wonderful in the slightest.

      • Quelyn

        He’s had a history of mis-treating females. How this history correlates with his mental illness, I do not know. I do know that he was able to be high functioning enough to work, but not high functioning enough to not assault women.

        If you grope someone, you run the risk of everyone finding out how you fucked up. That’s the chance you take when you decide to take sexual ownership over that which is not yours.

        • Pitchguest

          Getting drunk and groping is very different to having your actions dictated by a mental illness. Drunkeness, though it can create lapses of memory, lowers your inhibition but not to the extent that you’re unable to control what you’re doing. The reason why you can be charged for drinking and driving.

          A drunken state you can control. A mental illness you can’t. If the mental ilness you have is so severe that it can cause episodes of temporary schizophrenia, then obviously that should be taken into consideration before rushing to push blame. Was he, in fact, in his right mind during the incident? The evidence suggests he wasn’t, having to be taken to a hospital afterwards to get treated.

          And let’s not grist the rumourmill, shall we? I don’t know about you, but when someone says it’s a “known” fact that said person does this (which apparently was kept silent all this time until now, the opportune moment), I’m less likely to take it at its word. But if CN knew about his illness, knowing full well what his episodes might be like, but still kept him in their employ then the consequence should be that CN is disciplined and Page getting the help he needs – which, obviously, should coincide with his immediate resignation – and not this witch hunt horse shit.

          But I have a feeling I’m wasting my breath. Maybe I’m wrong.

  • Felicia Savage

    Thank you for sharing, Jeffrey. Interesting to hear one’s perspective. I’m certainly not condoning his behavior either, but as someone who *has* lived with and taken care of mentally ill people, I am very empathetic and can see why this episode occurred.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m still siding with Emily on this… but I do hope Skyler gets the help he needs.

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  • Roberto Severino

    I think this might be of great significance.

    http://jeffrowegifs.tumblr.com/post/90700109592/skyler-page

    It’s Skyler’s friend Jeff’s perspective on what happened and explaining what mental illness he has.

    • Jonathan Wilson

      Yes, Jeff has already commented on this article about the issue….

      “Jeffrey Rowe • 3 hours ago

      Hey everybody. I’m a close friend of Skylers. I took the photo being used at the top of this article. There’s some information I’d like to share about this situation: http://jeffrowegifs.tumblr.com…”

  • SCROB TV

    This claim is complete nonsense. False accusations are not miniscule. Every police office has had false accusation and false statements.

    People even make up false confessions! Some make false confessions about crimes that happened and they heard of, some make false confessions of imaginary crimes.

    If CN knows more and fired him, there will be enough time to trash him once you have ANY information on the case. Him being guilty doesn’t say anything about other people being guilty. I have seen enough people use lies against others to destroy them or threaten to do it.

    And no, I’m explicitly not talking about the accuser in his case. I’m talking about you making up naive claims because it suits your world view.

  • SCROB TV

    You stole my car radio. Can you prove I’m lying? Innocent until proven guilty. See how smart that statement is?

  • http://www.bubbleblabber.com John Blabber

    Amid, on behalf of Cartoon Journalists. We ask that you make changes to your piece.

    Our open letter.

    http://www.bubbleblabber.com/dear-cartoon-brew-need-talk-handling-skyler-page-story/

  • http://cyanide-and-lace.tumblr.com Skylar Sunday

    Kudos to Cartoon Network for actually firing him. The appropriate thing to do in a society that gives so little fucks about actual victims.

  • SkitsOphrenINC

    …While this matter is of serious gravity– especially because I feel there isn’t enough support for troubled members of this industry– a side note here, since the main dilemma is already passed like hot potatoes:

    Props to the human resources department. If the Animator Guild is responsible for these matters, increase support for the welfare and safety for animators in this industry!

  • Fried

    You’re right, let’s just continue to treat people who commit a crime as inhuman freaks who deserve to die. Because we all know people can’t reform.

    • My Ocean

      No one said that he deserves to die, so stop being so melodramatic. However, to put his well-being over his victim’s is disgusting.

      • L_Ron_Hoover

        Not really, I think he/she was just being a compassionate person. Obviously the support for Emily is strong and it leaves a gap for people to worry about Skyler. He is a person too and he has mental issues that caused him to have a breakdown. Nobody wants to see him die and like any unbiased, selfless person, we don’t want him to do something dangerous to himself. That would be extremely spiteful and disgusting to wish that upon him.

        I think the defense for Skyler comes from the fact that people here talk about him like he’s a serial killer. (Obviously not undermining his bad behavior but I’m bringing things to reality.) You can’t get annoyed that people want to maintain emotions here by giving counter arguments and facts. When all you get is the same opinion just re-worded a thousand times, you realize that everyone feels the same…So your emotions are relieved which then makes you question, “Is this really the appropriate way to act?”

        It is like a lynch-mob to be so hostile without any room for thought other than “What I read is the factual truth, who needs evidence? Skyler is a monster!” We don’t know him and our knowledge of him comes from the press and those who don’t like him. Not particularly great sources of evidence.

        I believe he groped Emily but I don’t think that boils him down to a worthless human who isn’t worthy of compassion. I believe in forgiveness, especially for those with mental illness. You can’t be so blind to treat him like trash.

        If you really believe in equality then you should be in support of helping both of them. Do you want to change the world and the people in it or do you just want to pressure people you don’t like into disappearing? Whether it’s death or being shunned. That doesn’t sound very equal, does it?

        • My Ocean

          If equality actually existed, Page wouldn’t have been allowed to be inappropriate before the latest problems that led to him getting fired of his own volition. It seems that he has a history of not behaving himself, and that’s not the survivor’s fault.

          Page has proven to not be able to control himself around other people, so shunning should be the least of his problems, as he needs to get himself together. You want to work with a sexual deviant? Why?!

  • Fried

    Tell that to Emily.

    Even if she wasn’t the first to say his name, she was the one who started putting up vague tweets about the affair basically begging for stranger attention from her fans.

    And this has nothing to do with whether what Page did was right or wrong but only on how Emily failed to restrain herself and WANTED him to be publically shamed. Of course she was emotional and upset at the moment, but that’s typically why you don’t do very drastic things while under those circumstances. I’m sure she regrets ever mentioning it on her Twitter now and wishes she had just been private about it and then sent a single warning after everything had been settled.

    • Barrett

      Are you trying to say that women who are harassed by men are out of line if they want to publicly shame that person? Is there some kind of Code of Honor where they are entitled to privately loathe and detest the person, but Must Not Ever publicly denigrate them? is that about right?

  • white knight

    After dealing with sexist crap from men on a daily basis and having to practically beg men for hundreds of years to see something from our point of view for a change, maybe it’s comforting for women to see that some guys actually do think that this behavior is befitting a “piece of shit” and would kick someone who’s “already down” because that’s what you do with a piece of shit who was never taught that you can’t do stuff like this for so long and get away with it.

    Or are you saying that when crap happens to men, half od population should also not give a damn about it? Because human rights and dignity should only be defended by the gender matching the victim’s? When a black guy gets beaten up, should we also not speak about how racists and beaters are wrong if we’re not black ourselves?

    You call these people white knights, well better a white knight than an inconsiderate douchebag. Maybe when the amount of “white knights” who will actually speak up against behavior like this outnumbers the amount of douchebags who insist this stuff is okay or should be swept under carpet, maybe then we’ll have a better society where men won’t have to say “Not all of us are like that” because it will be obvious from your collective behavior.

    Also, it’s laughably obvious you’re a guy, so maybe try not to pretend you’re defending female dignity when women are sick of men with precisely your condescending, trivializing mentality.

  • Ravlic

    Yeah, I’m amazed at the number of people defending a serial offender and acting as if some stroke of misfortune caused him to be fired instead of, you know, his own actions. I guess for some people the idea of personal responsiblity is too much to handle.

  • http://cyanide-and-lace.tumblr.com Skylar Sunday

    I’m bipolar and I find it ridiculous to use his illness as a fucking scapegoat.

    • JJK

      Sorry, mental illnesses are not like physical ones. They do not all have the same symptoms and results. Two people (You and Page) can be bipolar and it can affect you in very, very different ways. Surprising someone who supposedly has it does not even know that considering it’s one of the first things told to you in any psycho study book/class/article/etc.

      Of course he should be fired and face those consequences, nobody is disputing that.

      What we are disputing is that he may not have been entirely right in the head during these actions and still deserves to be treated as a person whose actions are basically a cry for help and shouldn’t be shamed all over the internet and have his life ruined because of it. It’s something like that that may lead him to never getting better and resulting to suicide.

      If Page is getting berated and shamed for sexual harassment, then some of these tweeters should get berated and shamed for vilifying someone whose actions may be beyond their control. In this current state in society, people with mental illnesses still have a harder time than women being sexually harassed in the workplace. Mental illness is still something even intelligent individuals fail to understand, let alone the masses.

      The proof is here alone, all sympathy towards Emily whose situation is very easy to understand and is something that is made aware to us in today’s age, compared to Page who is getting next to none because people think “it’s a scapegoat”. That’s horrible. Sympathy isn’t a limited resource, you’re allowed to have it for both parties.

      • http://cyanide-and-lace.tumblr.com Skylar Sunday

        I feel like it’s being used as an excuse. Those of us who are mentally ill would rather be given the responsibility of our actions. Yes I hope he gets the help he needs, but this is only going to make people assume everyone who is mentally ill is dangerous. And that’s fucked up.

        • kamishiro

          But who is assuming that? I admit that some will while others will understand and won’t generalize. The Emily Quinn comments really resume everything i have in mind.

      • http://cyanide-and-lace.tumblr.com Skylar Sunday

        I know what it’s like to be mentally ill and I know what it’s like to be sexually assaulted. Frankly, you questioning my validity because I’m treating him the way I treat everyone else equally is insulting.

        I don’t want to be excused for my illness. Most people don’t want to be. I want to be treated like everyone else.

        • Ant G

          Being treated equally =/= Dismissing our differences as irrelevant.

        • L_Ron_Hoover

          Obviously you aren’t mentally unstable enough to be agreeing with the statement, “please prosecute me for my actions no matter what my mental illness is.” Anyways, you were already proven wrong by JJK (bipolar has different effects for individuals who were diagnosed.)

          It’s nice you want to be treated equally but you seem pretty out of touch or maybe just stubborn.

      • http://cyanide-and-lace.tumblr.com Skylar Sunday

        In fact, I’ve studied numerous psychology books and had classes and am friends with many people who suffer, and trust me when I say, it is a stereotype for people who are mentally ill to actually react in a dangerous way. And reinforcing it is just plain bad.

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        • Pitchguest

          Oh fie. Would you say the same thing about someone suffering from Tourettes syndrome? Or Parkinson’s? They’re called mental illnesses for a reason. I have a mother who’s bipolar and she ranges from being warm and jocular, to vindictive and spiteful, in a matter of seconds. Just like that. If the form of bipolar disorder Skyler suffers from is the kind that can cause schizophrenic-like behaviour, then that is not to be taken lightly.

          You, being bipolar, ought to understand this condition best of all.

          And no, no one is saying that all mentally ill people react in a dangerous way. Don’t build your own strawmen if you intend to burn down ours.

      • dontgetit

        Then maybe inform people? Make the ill person wear a shirt or a badge or some color (like how white canes signify blind people) that says they’re mentally ill? Because as it is, you’re trying to pretend they’re normal people and when they do stuff out of the ordinary, you expect people to just magically know they’re mentally ill and act accordingly. How did people, including the victim, not know the guy is ill and he might have an episode that would make him act unpredictably?

        I’m not blaming the ill for this, I’m blaming people who don’t inform others that they’re ill. People are a lot more understanding when they know something is out of your hands. That’s why they drink. That’s why “gays are born that way” is a more popular defense than “people should date whoever they want”.

  • Ant G

    “no man stand with us” This is precisely why I said you were missing my point. So here is an example to simplify it more:

    a man and woman are walking down a street, a man walking opposite of them points at the woman and jokes “go back in the kitchen!”, in this scenario, point out the white knight:

    a) The man next to her pushes her back and says “I got dis. I can take him”

    or b) the man next to her allows her to respond to the other guy herself while standing firmly besides her.

    You as an individual can decide for yourself what you’d prefer a man to do but not all women would agree and I don’t need to make a fake disqus profile pretending to be female to say this. Why would I care to?

    • white knight

      OR:
      A woman says: “You can’t tell me to go back to the kitchen, it’s humiliating.”
      The man laughs it off because women. They always say stupid stuff or overreact and she’s probably on her period. After all, society is obsessed with the idea that women are these strange, overreacting, illogical creatures, why would any guy take any of them seriously? Humanity hasn’t for thousands of years.
      He comes home and tells his roommate what happened. His roomate says that he’s being a douchebag and that he can’t treat people like that. Suddenly a behavior that “bitchy women” are overreacting over seems a bit less acceptable. Maybe next time the guy feels a bit dumber when he says stuff like that.

      See, for some reason, you seem to fail to realize that a man is not shutting up a woman by expressing his opinion, not in real life and most definitively not on the internet. The internet is not one giant microphone where only one person can speak. A man is not somehow denying a woman her right to speak by saying a douchebag’s behavior is unacceptable. People call out unacceptable behavior all the time, but when it’s women’s rights, suddenly it’s whiteknighting?

    • Dot Dot Dot

      Who is pushing any women aside?? Anybody can comment here.

  • Renaissance Man

    wait, there are just a couple of accusations on twitter . . . so you all have decided to lynch him . . . would you have done the dame in the Jim Crow south when black men were lynched for similar accusations?

  • Fried

    I do, too.

    But if Emily asks for it to be taken down, it should. Anyone can easily Google her up or click on the links to find the picture again regardless, but still, that single piece should be out of consideration to her.

    The Clarence joke I’m fine with.

    • urgletwang

      “But if Emily asks for it to be taken down, it should.”

      I am sorry, but that’s not how free speech works.

  • nope

    I didn’t realize Cartoon Brew was a cheap tabloid.

    • Barrett

      Then you clearly haven’t visited this page often or for very long. CB is what it is, at least since certain parties went their separate ways a couple years back. I happen to enjoy it now and then, but realize it’s not every animator’s cup of tea.

  • Close3k

    Can’t everyone just keep their hands in their ****ing pockets?!?

  • Johnny

    PATRICK HARPIN IS A MAJOR PIECE OF SHIT HIMSELF. The unbelievably tacky move move of putting such scurrilous statements on social media is quite characteristic of him. What does it say about an “artist” uses his blog for very little art, but is happy to write a rage filled rant on a co-worker? It’s no wonder he was fired from CN.

    • Honk

      Actually I worked on that show and whatever ya wanna saw about Pat, I was around when he quit, he wasn’t fired.

  • Leroy

    Many of the comments here lend credence to the claim that modern feminism is totalitarian and misandrist. Whether or not Page is guilty as charged, the commenters who insist that we take the word of any women who makes an accusation against a man, that women never lie about this sort of thing and that anyone who believes that the burden of proof is on the accused rather than the accuser in cases where a man is accused of sexual assault/harassment are despicable. Men’s lives have been destroyed by false sexual abuse accusations made by women: see the Duke Lacrosse case.

    • Erica

      Only 2-8% of rape accusations are false. It’s a rare occurrence, so please stop acting like this happens all the time. It doesn’t.

      Going public is an extremely scary thing for the victim, and the main reason is because of people like you who will say she’s lying. People like you are why most women stay silent. Do you have any idea of everything she’s risking by coming out with this, by facing judgment, accusations of lying, and being in the spotlight of the entire animation community, possibly jeopardizing her future/career?

      This is no light issue, this is a bomb, and women are terrified to speak out. So terrified that many never will. They’ll endure, to keep their jobs, to keep the respect of coworkers and friends. And it shouldn’t be that way. But people like you keep it that way.

      • GreatJobM80

        And 2-8% isn’t a big deal?

        • Steven

          maybe i’m just more sensitive to this kind of thing because my sister never reported her assault, but it just feels sick to sympathize with a two percent, which would be a helluva lot more lower if every assault/rape were reported. can you imagine how insignificant that number would end up being?

    • Mormo

      Misandry…. honey please…open a window. Feminists aren’t oppressing you, you’re just getting defensive because men are getting called out.

    • Barrett

      If all we had to go on was the word of a single woman, or a single woman and her friend, I would be more willing to reserve judgement.

      If many different people spoke up, and the vast majority of them were to say, in effect, “The accuser is on crack, off her nut, and or has a history of vindictive/manipulative behaviors, etc.” and also in turn said “I’ve known the accused for X number of years, and he’s never shown any such inclinations” I would be more skeptical.

      In this case, no one but a few clearly biased trolls are outright accusing the accuser of lying or being crazy, and almost everyone supports her integrity and many have cited previous concerns about the accused, or outright knowledge of bad incidents involving the accused. That may not be “proof” in the legal sense, but it seems like if we’re gonna go by the whole “wisdom of crowds” thing, there should be a lot more support and solidarity for the accused if this were just some nonsense the accuser pulled out of her ass. It looks like the accused has some serious problems, and that there is little to gain for the accuser to make up something like this.

      I’m all for skepticism, but the truth is most claims of sexual assault by women are true, and in cases where they are not, there is a groundswell of defense for the accused if they are someone who has acted with dignity and integrity up until that time because people who care about each other vouch for each other when someone is getting tagged with something they don’t deserve. That’s not happening here.

  • white knight

    Oh yes! I’m sure blacks would hate it if whites knew from the start that they deserved basic human rights and respect like everyone else. Man, imagine how terrible it would be if black people were just given what they were asking for the moment they asked for it. The US wouldn’t have slavery for as long as it did. The horror!
    Seriously, did you even think about what you wrote here?

    • Ant G

      Did you? That made absolutely no sense. Quit digging yourself into a hole and make an effort to actually read what you so hastily try to respond to.

      • white knight

        You asked what would happen if Civil Rights had white people on its side! You seriously asked that! Just as you asked what would happen if feminism had men on its side. Guess what? Neither would have to exist anymore, or ever.
        And when you’re forced to think about what you wrote, you can’t come up with anything but really poor ad hominem.

  • Matthew Broussard

    “You’re not part of my hive mind, so shut up”, basically.

  • Michael Barker

    Thanks, Patrick, now I’m never gonna watch / buy Clarence episodes again. The “not buying” part also goes true for the rest of CN shows

    • rubi-kun

      Why all CN shows? CN Studios did the right thing, suspending Skyler Page, and everyone else at the studio who’s spoken out about this has spoken against him. (Also it seems Skyler did very little actual work on Clarence and the show will continue without him)

  • Dana

    Kudos to Emily for speaking up and to Cartoon Network for acting swiftly and justly!

    I hope this doesn’t spell the end of the series, though. I hope they just re-cast Clarence’s role and keep the show going.

  • Copper

    No need to apologize, I appreciate your thoughts. I didn’t mean to imply we had rid ourselves of sexism and inappropriate behavior in the industry or anything. I was just saying it was beautiful to see people standing up for her and not so much of the victim blaming I see so much these days. There are more broad issues we still need to work out, but this is a positive reaction to an unfortunate event and I think we should recognize and applaud how many people stood up for her compared to how many belittle her experience. It should hopefully make other women feel more confident and able to speak up in the future, if they know most of the industry is on their side and want to help.

  • D. Harry

    Good for her coming forward. I wish I had on 2 occasions while working at the mouse house, but I was scared about losing my jobs and being blacklisted by the studio. This happens to us guys too. First was with a female production manager who made my life hell after turning down her offers of weekend getaways, and the second was a gay production manager whose verbal come on’s were topped with him pressing his groin against my leg. Not cool, and after putting him in his place he began to paint me in a bad light with management (unbeknownst to me at the time). Looking back I should have done more, and maybe even sued.

  • samuel

    i’m pretty sure patrick got fired from clarence.

  • Lokke

    This case is as animated as the community it came from. Too much noise….going back to newgrounds.

  • Paul

    Here’s my take on this:

    1. Amid at CartoonBrew proves once again that he represents the most negative, foul, part of “reporting” on the animation industry. It seems to me that Skylar was fired previous to this article. Amid did no “lid blowing” that caused the firing. He’s just forcing this out into the open so more people can get hurt.

    2. Skylar is mentally ill. I’ve seen a good friend go through this. Going through a psychotic breaks mean there is NO SIGN of the real person inside. That does not let Skylar off the hook. HOWEVER, this does change the viewpoint of the article from: “Normal guy who is a sexual predator” to “Guy who doesn’t know who he is and is having a psychotic break”

    3. After his first few episodes, CN should have fired Skylar. They should not have given him a little break. Anyone who knows anything about mental illness knows you don’t “get over it with a few weeks bedrest”. If CN dealt with it properly the first time – meaning they were knowledgale about mental illness – most of these events wouldn’t have happened. I am assuming…

    4. Pat Harpin has a history of being violent and quite frankly, a jerkwad. He was fired from Clarence. The fact that he’s taking a terrible thing and using it to make him look good is terrible. The fact that his diatribe is getting recycled around the internet without any recourse sucks…What kind of person does that? Really? Who writes something like that? Does anyone have any class?

    5. I’m glad the girls involved spoke out. Perhaps that’s what triggered the eventual firing. Or maybe it didn’t. It’s terrible what happened to them. The idea that people were supposed to “already know” that skylar had issues is incredibly dumb and again – the blame falls on CN – for not properly handling this. If they did, Skylar would not be anywhere near the premises.

    In conclusion, all of this just makes me terribly sad. I’m sad for the girls. I’m sad for skylar. I’m sad that some people use this as an opportunity to gloat. I’m sad that this is a story on the internet. I’m sad that I’m even writing this now.

    • Pitchguest

      I just don’t understand why the hush hush about Skyler being an apparently KNOWN serial groper until now. This Maré Odomo seems to have known about it for a long time, but only now when storyboard artist on Adventure Time Emily Partridge is a victim of his tendencies – even though it seems it might have been triggered by a psychotic breakdown – is it revealed. Why?

      And you’re saying Patrick Harpin was fired from Clarence? Haha. Wow. I have no words. What a hypocritical scumbag.

      • Guest

        Just read some comments here and it should be clear to you how this stuff gets hush-hushed. Even when you get a reputation that women shouldn’t be left alone with you there will still be plenty of people who won’t believe you’re guilty.

    • Ryoku240

      This is perhaps the best comment on this article, I feel sad just seeing all of this drama around the animation workforce.

  • Copper

    I feel kinda sick about the whole situation now. Emily Partridge is now being harassed on twitter by multiple people saying she deserves to die, deserves rape, and that no one loves her. This is truly a horrible situation all around.

    • Pitchguest

      Yeah. Welcome to the internet. This is something that happens to mostly everyone else on the internet with an opinion. Emily Partridge is not exempt. Do what most everyone else does: ignore it. It’s not worthy of your attention or your time.

      What Emily Partridge has done, however, is fucking atrocious. Especially when you consider that the crime in question was a groping, only to find out that the man is seriously mentally ill which she apparently knows about but rouses the pitchforks all the same. Who does that? If it is true that his psychosis goes so far as to have the meltdowns he suffers akin to schizophrenia, then I agree he should not be working at CN as showrunner of a show – not in his current condition – but the way it’s been handled is abysmal. And this Mare Odomo, why the need to paint him as a serial groper? Rumourmongering at its worst.

      • My Ocean

        Do you like being sexually harassed, and then be told that it’s par for the course? If not, then why are you defending someone who obviously has a history of being a scumbag? He may have “issues”, but by your count, everyone should be let off the hook for crappy behavior due to whatever “issues” they have.

        Women are told time and time again to put up with all kinds of sexual harassment. You seem to have a problem with someone who chose to not swallow the status quo. Why?

        • Pitchguest

          Always when I argue with social justice tweeps, I notice a similar, shall we say, mallady? That mallady being a lack of reading comprehension. Maré Odomo is a random person on Twitter who made a wild claim regarding Skyler Page about being a serial groper, or “known to grope women”, and we should apparently take her (or his) word for it.

          I pointed this out in my comment. There have been no evidence provided to support the claim and no one has come out corroborating it, so it really has no merit. But it is still being taken at face value and just because a person on Twitter said it and when it’s been said it cannot be unsaid. As I said, rumourmongering at its worst.

          Yet you insist on using this as an argument. “History of being a scumbag.” Indeed. But the two people indicting him are 1) Patrick Harpin, a person who was fired from the show “Clarence” and seemingly has a history of sexually assaulting others as well, at least if we are to trust commenter “E” in this thread and others too and 2) Maré Odomo, some unknown persona with no relation to either Partridge or the show. One has an axe to grind and one is a nobody. I’d say with that we can dismiss both as impartial.

          “Women are told time and time again to put up with all kinds of sexual harassment. You seem to have a problem with someone who chose to not swallow the status quo. Why?”

          And you seem to have trouble understanding the written word. I have absolutely no problem with Emily for speaking up. What I have a problem with is the way she did it. She (apparently) knew that Page was suffering from severe bipolar disorder but chose to serve him to the wolves anyway. Rather than deal with it discreetly (or if dealt with publicly, respectfully), she decided to sharpen the pitchforks and rouse her followers. Which is almost 11,000 by my count. They might have risen after the complaint went to mass media. THAT, I think, is atrocious.

      • Batman

        She didn’t know the guy was mentally unstable. If you read her tweets,she had NEVER met him before. All this happened before July 1st. Jeff Rowe a personal friend of Skylar and posted the blog of another incident of his .

        http://jeffrowegifs.tumblr.com/post/90700109592/skyler-page

  • BatmanDontShiv

    A lot of band wagoning in the article and in the comments. I’m reserving judgement until I get all sides of the story.

  • YazzoB

    True, since they’re public, I think they’re able to use pictures of the tweets publicly, and you could argue that her making them public just invited anyone to use them. However, it’s more a matter of common courtesy, and showing some respect towards someone who has had a bad enough week, by politely asking. Judging by a tweet that CB tweeted to her, then deleted (about how it’s a ‘private’ matter that shouldn’t be tweeted about at all), they don’t exactly come off as sympathetic. I’ve always gotten a bit of an arrogant vibe from CartoonBrew, which is why I almost never visit the site (got here because Emily Patridge mentioned it and didn’t seem very happy about it).

  • DanielW

    Cartoon Brew: you shouldn’t show pictures and reveal the full name of an obviously mentally ill person. In many countries you can be sued for that. And in general it’s not a good thing to do. Come on: you ain’t FOX news

    • Barrett

      Good thing we live in America, a country that doesn’t have ridiculous hinderances on free exchange of information.

      Information wants to be free. Unless information is forcibly taken from what is meant to be a private database or other repository, it’s fair game.

  • Danny Brown

    I really wish Skyler’s mental illness would’ve been discussed more in depth before the story was presented? While the fact of the matter that he did sexually assault a coworker is still true, his character certainly seemed to be painted as an “unapologetic shithole”. I’m not saying he should be “defended” or “excused” for his actions, but I don’t really think painting a picture for a man who’s suffering from a rather extreme mental illness to be shitted on for an action that quite possibly may have been out of his control at the time isn’t really helping anything much.

    Emily’s also asked to not be visually identified in this article & you guys have made edits to the article, thereby ignoring her requests? This is all just a really big mess that has not been publicized well at all.

  • Blake Rains

    This is just sad all around. I feel sad that the creator for

    Clarence going crazy that he gets fired and all and the artist that gets

    Assault by being groped. This is just sad.

  • gg

    I do think the victim’s friend should have mentioned from the get go that HR was dealing with the issue. The level of outrage that was expressed could have been reduced had people known right away that higher ups were already on it.

  • Karl Hungus

    This isn’t the first time this ground has been tread by this network with a creator who has dealt with mental illness, specifically bipolar disorder. Years ago worked with a brilliant and generous man who had his own Cartoon Network show. A quite popular one. It was back when CN had shows made at independent studios.
    His condition was nearly identical as the descriptions above. I watched him ride shirtless around our studio on a bicycle waving a plastic sword and I even had to run away from him on the street because he was accosting passing cars and taxis. He would seek out conflict from people around him, even strangers in a stores. He was a walking powder keg. A person with bipolar disorder views the world from a much different prism than the rest of us. I sympathize with those that were left at the mercy of someone who was not in control of themselves, but I also have to question Cartoon Network’s judgment when they refuse to help the people on both sides of a mental health situation like this.
    What hasn’t been said: Skylar Page was admitted to a hospital earlier this year and Cartoon Network put out a strict order that anyone discussing the situation would be terminated. Their focus was on damage control for the brand and not the safety of the people they employ or they would have invested in a more effective approach to this serious condition. Someone with bipolar disorder needs a handler when left to the grind of a cartoon studio.

    • Barrett

      So, did this unnamed show creator have his (knowing our industry, I’m gonna assume it’s a “he”) show cancelled when he got too unstable? Or did CN (or the indie studio he worked at) just keep looking the other way while he wigged out in the studio and the street? Trying to think of seemingly successful creator-driven shows that suddenly got canned for no clear reason, but to be honest the list is too big to narrow down based on that criteria.

  • DangerMaus

    Why isn’t this being handled by a court of justice instead of a court of public opinion? Last time I heard sexual assault was a crime punishable by imprisonment, not being fired.

  • Albert Belle

    I am so embarrassed with this world we live in that people have to make a spectacle of themselves to be in the lime light and the lynch mob behavior of people.Yes what he did was wrong but was it really necessary to post it everywhere when she could have just as easily have just taken it to the heads at CN.Was it really necessary to act as if he murdered or raped someone especially in the light that he may have been mentally ill. I mean what is with calling him every name in the book and the MASSIVE attack on him by the internet? It makes me wonder if she wants a whole lot of attention.When my house was mistakenly raided by police my sister was so embarrassed she didn’t even want any one of her friend to know it happened to her.But these people who bang the drums, ring the bells, shake the timbers just almost seem as if they are starved for attention. Now i know it is not the nicest thing to say and i am exposing myself to the lynch mob but this could have been done with more decorum and subtly and gotten the same results.You never want to hear this but many times these types of people just want to get attention and be in the spot light and their actions are not as brave and/or selfless as you think they are. It’s not even as if the guy was a head manger or a CEO that could have gotten you fired or easily covered up the evidence if you told the truth before now so I am not sure what bravery or fear had to do with it. He wasn’t even important enough for CN to defend his actions.They just tossed him aside as if it were nothing.So for all the people ready to attack with pitchforks and torches I am NOT defending him even with the claim of mental illness.I am however just equally disgusted with the people who react this way to everything with no dignity or thought. I mean at worst he is a sexist pig but people are going after it with long speeches and long winded attacks as if he burned down an orphanage run by nuns.It also disturbs me how predicable people are as well.The moment i read the headline I told my friend people will over react to it and here you guys are over reacting just as foreseen

  • Jose Fabian

    lots of “must haves”. I’m not saying he’s innocent, I’m saying this scandal is a sad state of affairs and someone is going to have their career/life ruined because of this, and if it happened as she says it’s terrible. Yes I am doubting her, like I would doubt anyone else but support further investigation because it is my obligation as a human being to take that stance and not have blind faith in any person.

  • DannyBoy

    Frankly, “Clarence” LOOKS like a mentally disturbed person created it. Which is probably why CN picked it up – gotta go with those “edgy, hip” cartoons, no matter how crappy they actually are.

    • Jack Blackstone

      Have you even seen an episode? Don’t judge books by their covers man.

    • Dave

      I agree with you DannyBoy. I had never seen an episode of “Clarence” before , but this whole dust-up made me curious enough to watch an episode . I could only watch about 5 minutes. Yet another contemporary cartoon with purposefully UGLY , AWKWARD designs and geek/nerd-based humor. I’m sorry for the tragedy of all involved in this behind-the-scenes incident (which really should have stayed private , this isn’t “news” ) , but what an ugly , depressing piece of amateurish junk that show is.

  • Steven Bowser

    Is it normal to come out about sexual assault on Twitter now? Shouldn’t she have gone through some better process than shouting about it cryptically on the Internet? That sucks if that happened to her, but why use Twitter? It seems immature to me. Maybe I’m missing something.

    • Hierophant

      Because social media/internet justice has a different and sometimes stronger effect than ‘real life’ justice.

      At a lower end of the spectrum you can launch campaigns to humiliate and ostracize people because you don’t like them. e.g Gerry Shalam, a young man who was drunkenly abrasive and a jerk, so some people are demanding he be expelled and are posting as much ‘private’ information about him as possible.

      At a higher end you can call attention to heinous events. e.g. the Steubenville rape stuff.

      Whatever the intention, taking your fight to social media is an attempt to throw your opponent to hungry wolves. Nothing rattles cages more than perceived injustice.

  • Helmi Bastami

    Sorry, didn’t know this was a court. Didn’t know that “MULTIPLE trustworthy people who are close to him” all saying he’s done this now and before wasn’t enough for him to lose his job. Witnesses are evidence, and if you don’t think they satisfy the burden of proof in this case, you’ve got an extreme tilt in favor of culprits over victims. At a certain point of denial you’re not a “skeptic”, but a conspiracy theorist.

    (Speaking of reversing things, witnesses are admissible in court, but polygraph tests AREN’T. That’s because witnesses can provide some level of evidence, but polygraph tests are not a whole lot more reliable than a coin flip, since they measure stress and not truth.)

  • My Ocean

    Do you honestly think Page was wrongfully dismissed, especially in light of the updates Cartoon Brew posted where the statements backed up the survivor’s assertion that Page was in the wrong?

    • urgletwang

      Since my post was is a day old – ie before any updates – what do you think, Sherlock? And stop calling her ‘the survivor’. Until anything is properly proved, she’s ‘the accuser’.

      • My Ocean

        Other than his getting canned from his own show (which isn’t a minor occurance), what else do you need to change your mind that Page acted like a scumbag towards someone else?

  • My Ocean

    Considering the updates posted to this article, do you still think that Page’s behavior didn’t warrant him getting fired, since he has a reputation for not acting appropriately?

    • Steele Carter

      It’s apparent that you’re trying to push your agenda. And you’re not fully reading all of my rebuttals.

      Let me state this again–since it was already known that Skyler Page had this problem, he should have been fired a LONG time ago from CN! Otherwise, we wouldn’t be having this debate. If Cartoon Network didn’t try to cover up his foul behavior, none of this would have happened. Cartoon Network dropped the ball BIG time on this.

      Second, I still don’t think what Ms. Partridge did was wise. Because not only did she out Mr. Page and basically ruined his reputation, but she also, I’m sure, caused problems for herself.

      Before you type your rebuttal and tell me that you’re glad that she called him out publicly on Twitter, because Skyler Page deserves it, please be mindful of what Ms. Partridge will have to go through.

      Not everyone will like what she did. I already read that Ms. Partridge is, unfortunately, getting death threats and she’s being called a liar online.

      Our actions have consequences and Ms. Partridge should have really thought of the consequences of her actions. Her actions were not wise. And she’s now seeing this, asking people not to link to this article, or use her pic, and what not. So, she’s getting the full brunt of her actions as well.

      So it comes full circle to what I said earlier…Cartoon Network should have fired Skyler Page much earlier in his career there. They also should have NEVER green litted a show he pitched to them, knowing very well that he had issues. It was unwise on Cartoon Network’s part.

      Now, because of the unwise decisions of every one involved, every one suffers–really good talent will be hesitant to work for CN, Ms. Partridge will probably be glanced over for better opportunities in the work force because of her actions, and Mr. Page is known as a sexual deviant. And people will just label him that and won’t care that he has mental problems. All parties will suffer in the long run, I guarantee you that.

      • My Ocean

        Your fake concern for Partridge is adorable, except that you still seem to care about the person who abused her more than her. She spoke up despite people like you. That takes more guts than you’ll ever have.

  • http://nessart.tumblr.com Ness

    Talking about it on Twitter is how we raise a public discussion about how women are treated in this industry and how we prevent things like this from happening again. As Lamar Abrams put it: “Dudes should live in fear of treating women like shit”.

  • Alan_Gabriel

    That’s nice, but what the hell does any of that have to do with this particular story?

    • iSpied

      Well, as explained in the story, this persons manipulative and abusive behaviours went unchecked, didn’t they? They were constantly excused because “other people” simply “didn’t get them”.
      The real gist, the real crux of my story is that this person learned that they would automatically be excused for boorish, violent and inappropriate behaviours because they were a woman.
      I don’t see any difference between people blaming their “disorder” for their behaviour and this persons allowing other people to come up with their own ‘reasons’ that excused what their violent and outrageous behaviours. (I have since learned that sociopaths are especially adept at claiming they’re “victims”, typically by playing on the bias or prejudices inherent in whatever social context they’re in.) So in this “news” story, we’ve got a ‘victim’ of a disorder who *apparently* did something nasty to another ‘victim’, who also shares a disorder. Both are (either directly or through intermediaries) appealing for ‘understanding’ or justice. Interesting.

      Here’s the comment I was responding to:
      “The appropriate thing to do in a society that gives so little fucks about actual victims.”
      … and my response is based on that.

      “Victims” and the claiming of ‘victimhood’ can be a pretty disingenious strategy for people to offload their accountability.

      Catch-all statements like saying “society doesn’t a give a fuck about actual victims” is exactly why and how people (men *and* women) are enabled to distance themselves from their own actions, by suggesting (or allowing others to make the suggestion on their behalf) that ‘other’ forces are responsible for their actions.
      It’s like how people can dump a bunch of toxic chemicals in a lake and earn a pass because “they were just doing their job.” Soo how it works? It’s not anyone’s fault – it’s just how, you know, “society” works. Those polluters were helpless victims too!
      In this tale I’ve told, all the adults were scurrying around thinking to themselves that this person wasn’t capable of violence and brutality, (because she was a girl, because she was typically quiet and withdrawn, because she was intelligent and deferential) so the ‘reasons’ must have come from “something (or someone) else.” And she learned to use those people’s biases and prejudices to her advantage. Even at her age (she was 28), she was still using those same, highly effective tactics to escape accountability.

      “Oh, I’m bi-polar” seems to be the new “Oh I’m not really like that…”
      I don’t trust someone simply because they’ve been wronged.
      Evidence and facts help us discover truths Alan, not hearsay, innuendo and our feelings of pity.

      Hope that clears that up.

      • Chad Townsend

        @iSpied:disqus whoa…. deep……

      • Barrett

        Thank you for sharing your story, I feel bad knowing that a lot of short-attention span folks are not going to read all your wrote, but I found your posts enlightening and insightful, an important addition to the conversation.

        • iSpied

          Thanks. It was a very educational experience to watch, as time and again, this person was given a pass on behaviours that, in a man, would have earned them a rapid dismissal from the workplace. Calling people misogynist at even the most innocuous observations, relating how other people were ‘known’ to abuse women… on and on and on… Every single part of their behaviour was deliberately *calculated* to put men on the defensive and it was only when their boorish, insulting behaviour was directed at a woman that anyone bothered to take it seriously.
          It is extremely difficult to leave behind ideas that “women are like this” and “men are like that”, but it’s the *only* way to get at the heart of someones character. I’m offended at the broad generalizations our society instills in us (a woman would never do that, men need to be ‘taught’ not to rape, etc, etc) and I like to conjure up Martin Luther Kings observation that the only thing we need concern ourselves with is the content of someones character, not their skin colour, not their gender or religious affiliation, none of it.
          Yes, it’s hard work to leave whatever ugly past experience we’ve had behind, but
          we have to start anew and reserve judgement until we have evidence of who someone really is, before we can say *anything* with surety.

  • Anonymator

    Yes, try asking any one of the several people who have worked with him on the show and they will site numerous times where he acted out in the workspace and in public, to the point where he was arrested multiple times for acting like a harmful crazy person, admitted to numerous hospitals, and given meds for his situation. You have no idea what you’re talking about, so seriously shut up.

  • MyMotto

    I dont recognize any of these people, so Im particularly biased to one side or another. I just take issue with the lady taking all this to twitter. Which isnt helping this issue at all.

    Now she just looks like an attention seeker. I believe shes telling the truth, but also taking advantage of the situation. If she just wanted to warn her coworkers one tweet about the incident was enough.

    • Batman

      I don’t think spreading awareness and then getting attacked on twitter having to defend yourself is really a plan to be an “attention seeker”. She works behind the scenes,so to speak. In an industry that likes to keep it’s image clean no matter what. An industry that can have you blacklisted and unemployed real quick.

  • Bored cat

    Most attacks made on women are by men , most attacks made on men are by other men. See a pattern here? Jesus Christ how thick is your delusion that you honestly think men are more oppressed than women. You really think women are the ones perpetuated violence in this society on a massive scale. Get your act together and stop acting like there isn’t a problem. You can start by teaching young men that women deserve to be respected and left alone.

    • Lionelhutz

      I didn’t say that men are more oppressed than women, I said that it was more dangerous to be a man than a woman. Which is factually correct. Men are 76.8% more likely to be murdered, they make up the vast majority of violent crime (and regular crime) victims, and 93% of all fatal workplace injuries. If you’re going to argue it’s a male problem because males make up a disproportionate amount of the offenders, I suppose you’re the kind of bigot who’d argue it’s also a black problem because black men make up an even more disproportionate amount of crime.

      This is not a black and white issue. There is not an oppression score we’re each trying to increase. Men and women are privileged over each other in different ways.

      You should get your act together and stop only caring about the problems of women. You can start by teaching young women that male victims deserve to be noticed and aided.

      • bored cat

        “You should get your act together and stop only caring about the problems of women”. Ah Ah! putting words in my mouth you devilish scoundrel :) what a manipulative and lazy way to make an argument. I never said I didn’t care about men. Though in situations like these where the majority of the victims are females and majority of the perpetrators are males I’m probably going to focus on females. (

        I’m a bigot against men….holy moly. Stating facts is now bigotry. You’re too far off to save, enjoy your delusion. I hear there’s a nice comforting group of activists at reddit that share your male victimization.

    • Samizdata

      To this day, I am still amazed and astounded I am a male that has never attacked, savaged, or forced myself on a woman. It seems I am more impossible than a unicorn.

  • Ravlic

    My comment was aimed at people foolishly defending this guy who was an obvious, repeated problem around the office until someone took a stand against him. A public secret so to speak. False rape accusations, which have nothing to do with this event, are another thing entirely.

    Let’s also put it this way: Let’s say you’re at work. You’ve been sexually harassed. You approach your boss to complain. You have no evidence. Next time the guy harasses you, you again have no evidence. And again and again until everyone knows the guy is considered to be someone no woman should be left alone with, but nothing can be done because there’s no evidence.

  • Serpico Jones

    These kind of things should not be posted on twitter for all the world to see.

  • Henry Cohn

    Looking at Amid on that note…

    I think he’s generally an insightful and interesting person, but he obviously made a mistake here.

  • Troodle

    I guess your right, Partridge is getting a lot of flak for this as well. I guess after reading all the comments about him I can’t help but feel sympathetic towards the guy. I don’t think we know enough about the exact events that occurred or enough about his character to make such comments as “Skyler Page should get killed.” We should all feel more empathy for everyone involved.

  • Timothy

    Only if she takes down the one that is publically posted on her Twitter for all to see in the first place.

    She wanted to spread awareness? Well she got it.

  • Lickity Split

    For the dudebros who are so hung up on the off-chance that Emily is just making this entire thing up….um… Seeing how most of the time women get the shit end of the stick for speaking out ( which is why a lot of rape and sexual harassment goes unreported) WHY the hell would anyone put themselves through this if it wasn’t real? Pull your head out of your butts and realize this something almost every woman at some point in their lives has to deal with.

    everyone running to his defense because he’s mentally ill. Sorry I don’t care. That’s not an excuse, that’s not a symptom of being bipolar, and that doesn’t need to be brought up to minimize the shittiness of his actions. It is however a symptom of a society that raises young men to disregard the feelings of women when it comes to personal boundaries.

    So why should I waste any of my energy thinking about his feelings? Really? How about her feelings? all the shit she’s going through for speaking out, The emotional scarring, the harassment. seriously if all you get out of this is “Poor guy is getting his name dragged through the mud, he’ll never work in the industry again” well then a massive fuck you for prioritizing the feelings of some creep over the victim’s.

    If you’re tired of hearing about issues like these then start calling this kind of behavior out.

    • urgletwang

      “everyone running to his defense because he’s mentally ill. Sorry I don’t care. That’s not an excuse,”

      Actually, in law, of course it is.

  • Ravlic

    I’d argue the reason so many victims of violence are men is because women know how to be careful and avoid confrontation with men, especially those who seem threatening and unstable. Men on the other hand constantly have it drilled into their skulls that it’s cowardly to avoid conflict or run and that violence is a man’s way of solving things. Couple that with the fact that men hang out with men and these findings are hardly surprising, but I think they’re more due to the situations men get into, rather than their gender.

  • https://twitter.com/spitandspite @spitandspite

    shit situation indeed.
    interesting questions and povs.

    here’s another one:

  • L_Ron_Hoover

    With the amount of support she has and from her recent tweets about how she is relieved, it doesn’t sound like she’s contemplating on taking her life. I get your point but it’s not really the situation here.

    • My Ocean

      You’re implying Page is more at risk for suicide due to his own behavior. Not the survivor’s fault that he has to face the consequences of his own actions.

      • L_Ron_Hoover

        That’s a very spiteful thing to say. You talk about his “groping” as if he consciously raped or murdered someone. You have no compassion for people because you care more about your goal than the long term damage you have on the people in your way.

  • urgletwang

    I tend to agree with you. The rush to judgement here is problematic.

  • optimist

    Yes, a man “groping” a woman in the workplace against her will IS and should be cause for dismissal, especially if the inappropriate behavior towards female employees is not a single isolated incident but a recurring issue, AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT MANY MANY TIMES IN THESE COMMENTS. You clearly haven’t been there, and you’re not HR. Believe me, pal, when I say that they don’t fire anyone-but sure as hell not show creators who double as voice actors for main characters(don’t they all?)-unless they have very very good reasons to, and that would absolutely include more than a “he said, she said” situation. Believe it.
    “vague sexual assault”?…jesus.

    • Pitchguest

      You must be very naive if you think investigations by HR are definite and contain all the necessary evidence, instead of just enough to avoid as much damage as possible. What do you think they prefer: keep the person who commited a sexual assault (albeit seemingly under severe mental disarray), or let him go?

      The internet can be a very unforgiving place and if you give them an inch, they will take a mile. Or being that it’s on the internet maybe a different metaphor: give them a bit, they will take a byte. A very large byte. The social justice warriors are especially vindictive when it comes to punishment. They won’t settle for an apology. Do you honestly think the continued success of “Clarence” wouldn’t have hinged on whether or not they fired Skyler Page?

      I mean, for crying out loud, they just fired Anthony of “Opie and Anthony” for being basically what he’s always been on the show – an asshole – just because he decided to take his gripe, whatever it was, to Twitter.

      Wouldn’t fire anyone unless for a very good reason?

      Pfft.

  • serperiorruler101 .

    Well, this was very shocking. Its a damn shame, too. Clarence was one of my favorite new shows on cartoon network along with Steven universe. I am very dissapointed in Skyler page for doing such a thing. Even though he is getting fired, I hope CN doesn’t cancel the show. Although watching it may not feel the same after knowing this.

  • Hank1968

    If Emily wants a job, We have a cool little studio up in Canada! We are making our first feature and have a strict “NO ASSHOLE” policy! Just so happens we have 2 seats left for our story crew…..just saying.

    • Strong Enough

      no one wants to work in Canada

      • Hank1968

        Hahahaha, funny, I worked in the US for years (Pixar) loved it, and moved home(also love it) our studio is packed with a mix of big studio vets and young talented kids. We do no service work, and have a blast. I understand work moving North is a bummer for many, but tax breaks exist in many states and countries. My studio is not responsible as we don’t do service work. Thanks for insightful opinion… I realize this is off thread, I just thought it would be nice to offer her something other than opinion about the abuse she suffered…even though it was just a job in (yuck( Canada).

        • Strong Enough

          it’s too cold.

          • DangerMaus

            They could always turn down the air conditioning for you.

          • Strong Enough

            thats good but then i step outside and its cold again

      • Barrett

        I’d love to work in Canada, I just never applied for any jobs up there because I know there are so many kickass animation artists who are natives, and I would think with all the immigration and work permit BS, it would be more trouble than it’s worth for a Canadian studio to hire a Yankee when there are already so many talented nationals up there already. Would love to be proven wrong, though!

  • Sim x

    You are reading over my words to see your own. Both persons involved would benefit with help and compassion. You cannot brush this problem away by dehumanising one side.

  • http://tresportfolio.tumblr.com/ Tres Swygert

    First I want to say that sexual assault has no place in any industry, including and especially animation. It has been upsetting to hear what has happened, and I am sorry to hear of the situation.

    Second, while Cartoon Network did fire Skyler Page, it has not fully resolved this situation. CN, and many other animation studios, need to reevaluate their work environment, and make it better and safer for everyone to work there. That means both male and female. Hearing that this happened has shown that it is not as safe at Cartoon Network to work as a creative, and that really hurts me as a fan and an inspired creative. They need to do better.

    Third, and lastly, fans, animators, and legends should demand better parameters for people to work for these studios. They are called people for a reason, and should be treated as such as they work on very pressured projects. Until we make it clear to Cartoon Network and other studios that these parameters should change, I doubt we will see them make that effort.

    As you can see, we have talked a lot about Skyler, the victim (I will politely not mention her name to not put her on the spot, I hope this doesn’t offend anyone, if so, I apologize upfront), but I am finding little talk of Cartoon Network and their response. Yes, Skyler does not work there; however, I would rather hear their response of how they will grow and improve their work place. If not, this kind of situation will happen again, which will be unfortunate.

  • My Ocean

    Oh, so groping is ok as long as one is having a psychotic episode, even though they’re KNOWN FOR BEING INAPPROPRIATE?

    What the hell is wrong with you?!

    • Candle

      It’s would be amusing ( if it weren’t so disgusting) watching these guys bend over backwards to defend or excuse this dude for what he did. I wouldn’t waste my time explaining anything to them…. they’re probably creeps themselves

    • Brill 93

      You just clearly ignore a persons words just so you can rant.

  • Goon Patrol

    Please stop acting like sexual assault is something that’s associated with bipolar disorder. It’s really offensive.

  • Jay Strickland

    Employees informing each other of crimes of which they are the victim is unwise ? I guess you would prefer these sorts of things get hushed under the rug until it turns into a class action law suit.

  • Lucy

    I have bipolar disorder, PTSD, and I have never attacked anyone. My father has psychotic bipolar disorder with schizophrenia, and the rare instances he has attacked someone has never done it in a sexual nature. I’m not sure if blaming the illness is entirely fair? Americans seem to do all the time. In Europe, Asia and Latin America, there’s little more strict terms .
    I have worked, locally and internationally, in many societies and associations for mental disorders, and yes, there are some people that do act and attack others with sexual intent, but most of them are barely functional in motor skills, and it’s quite obvious that they are ill, . They have to stay at the hospital most of the time, and their families are rarely away from them. It’s a really intense duty. They are usually given disability for life, since it’s impossible for them to actually manage themselves physically, emotionally, and in society.
    I understand that Mr. Page might have some illness, but I think that blaming the incident entirely on the illness is somewhat naive.

    Also, I’m so disappointed in you CB for keeping Miss Page’s photo. That just lacks class. I don’t mind if you don’t publish my comment, just know that publishing the victim’s photo makes takes away much of the respect I had for you.

  • Megamatics

    Cartoon Network is going to get Sued for Violating the 14Th Amendment. He has a right to Due Process before being fired.

  • Jose Fabian

    Finally realize? Yes, there was a reason, there were multiple reasons actually given by his friends. However, unless I was there, which I wasn’t, and unless you were there, and I don’t know if you were, it’s my moral obligation not to judge until he’s been tried. Am I accusing the victim of anything? No, but it’s still not right to accuse when I’m an outside party.

  • towhomitmayconcern

    it still irrelevant compared to the number of women who are raped. Which do you think its wiser to spend limited time and energy on: Trying to protect the near 600,000 thousand people raped, or trying to protect the 20-30k who get lied on? Unfortunately, I would think the 600k would be priority. That is not to say that the 20-30k aren’t important, but given the low number, its ridiculous to say that because of those numbers, this woman is lying.

  • Batman

    By the posts and blogs coming out, it seems this wasn’t the first time Skylar had done this. There’s even a post here on this page. Everyone is quick to attack the victim because they learned the offender has a diagnosed mental illness. That is NEVER and excuse. People should never be ashamed or punished for reporting a crime or violation of any kind, regardless of age or gender.

  • http://www.moviecappa.com/ Mike Caracappa

    I don’t know Skyler personally, but he’ll make it through this, and a comeback. He got his own show at age 23. That’s an amazing accomplishment. In spite of what he’s going through now, he’ll come out a better person as a result of this, and there’s probably something even better in his future, even if it’s not a show. He’s just a dude like all of you. He’ll be fine.

    • Rebecca Elizabeth Hunt

      Good for you for supporting HIM. Yes, thank the gods he’ll prevail. Poor him, having to sexually assault that woman then get fired. Poor poor him.

      • http://www.moviecappa.com/ Mike Caracappa

        That’s right, I support him, and he will prevail. And you know what? I forgive him for what he did. Because everyone has their own issues for what they’re getting or not getting in their own life. The people on here deciding to railroad him for what he did is more about their own victimhood and wanting to have someone to take their hostile anger out on which has absolutely nothing to do with Skyler personally. I’m not taking sides here. But all of you on here have no idea how much worse he has it compared to Emily. I’m sorry, you just don’t. Despite what any of you think, he’ll make it through this and move on.

        • Anonymator

          Are you kidding? This guy has a bad mental illness that he will have to deal with for the rest of his life. He’s acted out in so many ways, now including sexual assault. He can’t keep his brain together. You think someone with these issues can continue work in “the industry”, or hold ANY job, for that matter? Unfortunately, you are mistaken, my friend.

          • http://www.moviecappa.com/ Mike Caracappa

            As a matter of fact there are thousands of cases of people with mental illness who are far worse than he is, and they have not only survived but have gone on to lead productive lives in society. The “industry” isn’t the only place a person can achieve something in order to become a success in animation. There are many many other avenues, and you never know whose out there who may jump at the chance to support his work. All anyone needs to do is follow their bliss, their excitement, or whatever makes them happy, and disregard anyone who seeks to judge them.

          • Anonymator

            Mike – Possibly, who knows. I’d like to see him succeed in the end, I don’t think he should be burned at the stake forever. But he currently literally cannot be employed at a workspace because he is too insane. Maybe this will change, hopefully, but it doesn’t look good right now, unfortunately. Also, “disregarding people” (who have been trying to help him) is partly what let him deeper into acting out in harmful ways.

          • http://www.moviecappa.com/ Mike Caracappa

            I understand what you’re saying, and I know that he’ll recover in time. But again, what I’m saying is people are judging him for something they have no understanding about. He’s not an insane person (and I have to say you’re labeling him as such). You know what its like to be different from other people. Of course you do. Paradoxilly, it’s our differences that are the one thing we have in common with one another, yet we’re expected to act accordingly for what society tells us how to be. And when there are those people who can’t conform because of who they are, they’re scrutinized and put away someplace so they don’t “scare the muggles” who don’t understand them. And so those people who can’t conform wind up pushing their internal “reset button”, and it’s why they act out against society. They’ve hit a roadblock and they want to start over again.

            Look, it’s not that I don’t sympathize with the girl in this situation, I’m sorry for what she had to go through. But even if I can see that there’s more going for this guy than anyone will give him credit for (a person I don’t even know), there are others out there reading this who know exactly what I’m talking about. Regardless of the circumstances and what anyone has to say, Skyler will get through this. And yes, call it wishful thinking if you want, because that’s what I wish for him. I’m 100% positive he’ll be fine.

        • Barrett

          You’re not taking sides here…..except for the part where you take sides.

          Dude, I’m not going to join the bandwagon treating Skyler like a serial killer, but seriously, I think it’s wishful thinking that his art career is going to go anywhere but down from here.

          First off, the guy clearly needs mental help. Assuming he get’s top-tier treatment (never a given in the U.$. of A) he will probably need some level of treatment for the rest of his life. His problems are not the kind of problems you work out with a therapist once a week for a few years and then go on about your life, this is brain chemistry we’re talking here.

          Second, assuming Skyler is doing super-well mentally for several months or years straight; he’s gonna have to either go totally independent a la John K. or he won’t be working professionally AT ALL. This industry is merciless when people cross certain lines; there are people basically banned from any major studio for far less egregious sins.

          Even if there are a fair amount of colleagues sympathetic and supportive of him (such as you), there will be a lot of people in decisionmaking positions in this industry who will regard someone caught up in a scandal like this as radioactive. They would treat him this way even if there were no mental problems. Throw in a history of psych episodes and, fair or not, no one will want to “invest” in him, which is when you get down to it, what all these execs are doing. They are investing their money and reputation in an artist, hoping they will get a return on that investment. Only some outlier will do that with him now. It’s kind of like John K., no major studio will ever touch him again because he’s napalmed every freakin’ bridge he’s ever crossed. I’m just saying, don’t hold out false hope for your friend’s future in the commercial animation industry.

          • http://www.moviecappa.com/ Mike Caracappa

            If you say so. But your emphasis on “what is” in life, or just “how things are” doesn’t leave you much room to see the bigger picture. The universe has a much broader scope when it comes to things working out for people. However, I think it’s pretty much a given that nothing I say will really convince any of you people in my belief that he will be okay and make it through all of this. You can accuse me of taking sides if you wish, but you’re condemning him like everyone else to a life of failure. Your judgement like everyone else’s has no bearing on who is as a human being. I’m not going to acknowledge like the rest of you that this is the end for him, because it’s not. I’m not friends with him, I don’t even know him. But I know enough about people to know theres more going on inside him than anyone will give him credit for.

        • DangerMaus

          I may be mistaken, but I think you just took a side there.

        • Capital_7

          You forgive him. Well, that’s what’s most important, right?

          BTW, let’s never meet.

    • Capital_7

      Yep, I was mostly concerned with the future of the creep with the history of assault and sexual harassment. Sure.

  • iSpied

    (* The Crime Index is composed of selected offenses used to gauge fluctuations in the overall volume and rate of crime reported to law enforcement. … offenses included are the violent crimes of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault and the property crimes of burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson.)

    > this appears to the portion you’re quoting…

    “As with all other Crime Index offenses, complaints of forcible rape made to law enforcement agencies are sometimes found to be false or baseless. In such cases, law enforcement agencies “unfound” the offenses and exclude them from crime counts. The “unfounded” rate, or percentage of complaints determined through investigation to be false, is higher for forcible rape than for any other Index crime. Eight percent of forcible rape complaints in 1996 were “unfounded,” while the average for all Index crimes was 2 percent.”

    In your quoted source, law enforcement agency investigations revealed that false or unfounded accusations of rape were four times more likely than someone being falsely accused of any other type of the crimes tracked – including assault, larceny, etc.)

    Using the data you’re citing, it’s fairly obvious that of all the crimes tracked (some 20 years ago), the most common one falsified was… rape.
    And by a significant margin.

    It might be worthwhile to consider why rape is such a popular method of slandering people and perhaps it might even useful to consider educating individuals who do make these false claims, since it trivializes the damage done to people who actually suffer the crime.

    • Willow Polson

      I wasn’t saying anything about the rate being higher or lower. You asked for a source for the 8%, I provided it. Nothing more, nothing less.

      Methinks thou doth protest too much.

      • iSpied

        I’ve provided clarification on the statistics you’re quoting. You’re welcome.
        To repeat – from the paper you provided as a source ; a false accusation of rape is four times more likely than a false accusation of any other major crime.
        Now we’re done. :-)

  • comprogger

    I want to know his side of the story

  • ThatGuy

    Am I the only one who feels like this is an inappropriate topic more akin to gossip and slander than animation-related?

  • Alex

    When I was at CN several years ago, the whole studio had to attend a course on the proper use of social media while working for Turner. I believe a lot of employees have violated those guidelines this week and should be reprimanded. This is the exact mess they were trying to avoid by giving us that course.

    • Barrett

      Efforts at keeping all employees “on message” in today’s social media world are about as pointless as trying to keep employees from ever taking home a box of pens or a stapler. The bard door is open, and the horses are long gone. People are gonna talk, at the very least anonymously. Information control is a 20th century anachronism. I mean, the freakin’ NSA can’t keep it’s spying of Americans secret, do you really think corporate PR departments are going to be able to enforce comment policies in the era of instant cheap anonymous global communication?

  • Emilio Decastro

    Where do you live exactly, Afghanistan?

  • Inkan1969

    Have the police been brought in? Ms. Partridge’s accusations sound serious enough to merit a criminal investigation, to confirm her accusations and determine if Page really is mentally unfit to take responsibility as he claims, or not.

  • Erica

    Of course I can! The NDAA provides that information here, page 2: http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/the_voice_vol_3_no_1_2009.pdf

  • Sim x

    Treat people with equality and dignity. That is all the OP was trying to balance.

  • DangerMaus

    I’m not sure how you concluded that I think this happens more than it does from what I stated. I don’t care if it happens more or less than the stated 1%. The fact of the matter is that the number is non-zero which means somewhere in North America and/or the World is some guy who has had his life permanently destroyed or is languishing in a jail cell for a crime he didn’t commit because a woman was an effective liar.

    It is ignorant to state that a crime like that is somehow less important and less concerning, due to its low statistical probabiliity, than a woman being assaulted. That ignorance comes from the comfortable conclusion that it could never happen to him because statistically the possibility of occurrence is low: so is winning the Powerball lottery, but people still will win it.

    So the point was “never say never” because a person could find themeselves on the receiving end of a false accusation.

    Reading some of the comments in this thread almost makes me think that there are people who still believe that old childhood saw that women are made of “sugar and spice and everything nice”. lol.

  • Barrett

    I’m wondering where this ad was even used, a trade publication or media buyer’s show? I’ve never seen one-page type ads like this for Cartoon Network shows in any magazines or websites I visit.

    • AmidAmidi

      The ad is appearing on billboards in major US cities like New York. Here’s one person who posted it on Instagram.

      • Barrett

        Well, it’s nice to know CN promotes its shows SOMEwhere prominently. I’ve only seen billboards for current animated shows in L.A., which seems to have way more billboards for way more media than any other city I’ve been to. Try looking for stuff like this on billboards, bus shelters and train stations in most other cities and you’ll have a long wait.

  • Barrett

    All this stuff surrounding this story, no matter which way you look at it, does not reflect well on the animation industry. Based on the various narratives, the situation is one of the following:

    -=-=-=-=-

    #1 — A show creator has shown repeated mentally unstable and sexually crude behaviors in the workplace and in personal situations with fellow animation artist friends. He was “demoted”, Rob Ford style, yet was kept on the payroll and used as a voice actor even after numerous people pointed out to higher-ups how messed up the guy was. He was then dismissed only after new online accusations made an HR decision unavoidable due to bad PR.

    #2– A “show creator” who was not really a creator was given credit for a show that he was not really involved in the development of in the first place, then kept around after displaying mentally unstable and sexually crude behavior. No one pointed out to HR what was going on until online accusations made his conduct public and viral, and dismissal unavoidable due to bad PR.

    #3 — An innocent man who did nothing wrong has suddenly been assailed by unfounded or very exaggerated accusations due to some kind of online slander conspiracy and bandwagoning by numerous industry artists, and has lost his job as a result of this.

    -=-=-=-=-

    I’m gonna say right now that #3 seems about as likely to me as Colonel Sanders rising from the grave and being elected President, but I mention it only to explore theoretically possible scenarios. In all likelihood, #1 or #2 is the case, and while not as reprehensible as #3, it does show a lack of integrity on the part of the men and women who apparently worked with this guy for years and most of whom “knew he had a problem.” I know from experience that the industry is a small community, and word of stuff gets around pretty quickly when it’s as messed up as what he’s accused of. Now, after Ms. Partridge and her friend actually called out the guy, it’s as if someone released the floodgates, and both men and women who “knew he had a problem” seem to be willing to spill the beans about it.

    Why was the “truth about Skyler” passed around surreptitiously among pals but not mentioned to anyone higher-up earlier? And if it was mentioned to higher-ups earlier, why was he not outright fired? This industry is harsh, and it’s not that hard to get yourself blacklisted if you do or even say the wrong thing. I would think for someone with as little established clout as Skyler (we’re not talking Genndy T. or Seth McFarlane here) would be out the door as soon as more than one person accused him of fondling or otherwise harassing them. Backup from male colleagues would have (for better or worse) added weight to such accusations. Why did none of that happen until Twitter? Again, this does not reflect well, it seems like a “Penn State” type code of silence.

    • DangerMaus

      “Why was the “truth about Skyler” passed around surreptitiously among pals but not mentioned to anyone higher-up earlier?”

      Well, my answer to this one, since I can apply personal experience to it (not in this industry) is self-preservation. You know that something wrong is going on, but you have to work with the people involved every day. What do you do? Speak out and be labeled a rat and then have to try to work with the people or person that you reported? Or keep your mouth shut and turn a blind eye in order keep functioning within the group? Most people will choose the latter, because their paycheck is worth more to them than standing on principle and becoming the pariah.

  • BlueBoomPony

    Not sure why people try to argue controversial things like this online. Your responses will basically be like this:

    22% questioning whether you have more intelligence than a zygote no matter how well you stated your case.
    38% accusing you of supporting and even institutionalizing the darkest behaviors on humanity.
    28% declaring you the moral equivalent of Hitler.
    6% declaring you the moral equivalent of the alternate timeline SuperMechaPowerHitler.
    49% calling you a troll for simply having a different opinion.
    19% declaring racism, sexism and ageism are bad, mmmkay, and in the next breath paining all older white males the moral equivalent of the parallel Earth Skeletor Hitler.
    7% me too!
    14% general ideological grousing that people exist that make more money than them.
    1% actual responses to the actual words you posted.
    0.1% asinine meta posts that don’t add up to 100%

  • Barrett

    I am more than willing to concur that Amid has sometimes made some questionable editorial decisions in regard to this site, but in the case of photos that are publicly available via websites or social media, I don’t believe there is any reason others should not be allowed to make use of those images.

    If the photo were part of some limited-access page or friends-only part of an online profile, the situation would be different, even if she and Amid were friends. But if the photo was out there for any Tom, Dick or Harry to see and download, it is fair game.

    She has every right to ask Amid to stop using it, and Amid has every right to decide for himself whether or not to do so. Public is public forever, no backsies, no matter what the circumstances.

  • Barrett

    “I noticed there aren’t any articles on John K’s stalker recently being arrested.”

    As far as I can tell, there are no articles about such an event, or even mentions of John K. *having* a stalker. While I may not be 100% plugged into the L.A. animation grapevine, it would be nice if you could point out any other media mentioning any of this before attacking CB for not mentioning it.

  • Barrett

    Well, that settles that, apparently.

    Seems like everyone has four or five different versions of events, both regarding the Skyler Page incident and about his pal Pat.

  • Barrett

    How exactly is she “lawsuit bait?” Or did you mean that companies would expect *her* to file lawsuits against employees for sexual harassment?

  • Barrett

    I don’t think too many people think the image or word choice on that promo image was some kind of coded commentary on Skyler’s tendencies, that gets into Conspiracy Town territory. It’s just kind of an awkward coincidence, kind of like that CD cover image for the band “The Coup” that came about before 9/11, showing the towers blowing up. Doesn’t mean the someone is trying to send “messages” or anything.

    I also want to chime in to say that I hope that the show continues despite these events; the artists involved and the audience as well deserve to not suffer because of this.

  • Barrett

    I’m afraid this is about as likely as “putting the genie back in the bottle.” And I don’t just mean with this case, where obviously that’s true, but I mean in modern society in general. People use social media without giving a second thought. It’s the “watercooler” of the decade, and I’m afraid it’s going to just get worse before it gets better.

    Some of the effects of the great leveling of mass communication are good; injustices and shady ploys have been averted or confronted by people spreading the word far and wide almost instantly. But there’s also a lot of unfounded BS and outright disinfo getting spread through these channels. A discerning person knows how to sift out most of the wheat from the chaff, but consider how often one of these “celebrity death hoaxes”" gets traction thanks to unquestioning parroting of people’s feeds. If Madison Avenue advertising should always be taken with a grain of salt, twitter feeds and Facebook memes should be taken with an entire salt lick.

  • http://nessart.tumblr.com Ness

    I understand that the tone of the discussion might seem overly hostile and polarizing, but it’s just a response to the fact that women right now do have to live in fear of being treated like shit by the men in their lives. There’s an entire culture around us shaping our behavior and dress in such a way that supposedly will prevent us from being hurt and it’s super prevalent. I am aware of the fact that these things can and do happen to men too, but it’s nowhere near as socially widespread as it is for women.

    Specifically in this situation, Emily mentioned that other people said something like “I thought everyone knew to avoid him”, but she didn’t and she had to go through it herself to find out. The support for her coming from a lot of artists and people in the industry is because we all know that the status quo for these things is for it to get swept under the rug, not white-knighting. The people observing this situation who are remaining silent, or who know that they are guilty themselves of doing shit like this, ought to see that there are loads of people who will not put up with it.

  • Quelyn
  • peter wassink

    What a sad story. I really like Skyler Page’s student film “Crater Face”

  • IamMe

    I’m going to chime in a little.
    I have known of many cases from friends and family, people I know well and all my life who have some connection to sexual assault.
    Sadly there are several cases where the sexual assault charges turned out to be false. There are many women who come out for different reasons and accuse men falsely.
    Here are the examples of people I know personally.
    1) Girl’s mother hated the father. They were getting a divorce. She planted seed in child’s head that the father would molest her. The man got in trouble big time all the while declaring innocence. Later the girl became a teenager and exonerated her father admitting those were lies her mother told to tell people. Damage still done though.
    2) I girl would go around flirting and seducing male coworkers. Then would sue for harassment. I understand it happening once to the girl but 4 times at 4 different jobs where she sues and gets a settlement. She finally got caught but damage still done to the other guys.
    3) 2 sisters said a man they knew was touching them and molesting them. Turns out they were just crazy and none of that ever happened. They were mentally ill and when they were cross examined it was determined they were lying. As they got older they admitted to lying to get attention. Damage still done to the man.
    It happens.
    In this case there are multiple witnesses and complaints from other folks. So the burden is on him to prove it. If he has mentally ill problems himself, I hope he gets help.
    Wow and I’m so suprised Cartoon Network didn’t fire everybody for posting it on social media. You know how many folks businesses fire for putting stuff on social media. You can’t state your opinion anymore without some board of officials firing you. Kudos for Cartoon Network for allowing their people to be people and have a life outside the company.

  • Pitchguest

    According to Partridge, he groped her/tried to grope her.

    That’s it. That’s all we know.

  • http://www.matsie.net matsie

    Actually, while any sexual assault should be considered heinous, males only constitute about 3% of victims AND in these cases, they are significantly more likely to be assaulted by another MALE. It is highly unfortunate to your cause that the predominant amount of perpetrators are male.

    However, this does not implicitly or explicitly make men awful or give you grounds to portray men as victims in situations they are not. Knowing the facts of the matter helps, instead of blindly following someone who is afraid of the status quo being changed.

  • Pitchguest

    Having a mental illness makes you less culpable for your actions than if you were drunk. Especially if it’s the kind that morphs your mind completely, changing your personality and turns you into another person (schizophrenia).

    It’s not an “excuse.” It’s an explanation. There is a very subtle difference between the two.

    Absolutely his mental illness should not have been kept under the radar, but if Partridge knew about it then why the need to spur the keyboard warriors on Twitter? Now he’s being crucified on several networks, including Tumblr and reddit, which as you probably know are filled with misinformation, selective data, confirmation bias, etc, etc, all the while the situation exacerbates. Well done. *claps*

  • Pitchguest

    What? That makes no sense. If you have a reputation that women shouldn’t be left alone around you, that means the issue hasn’t been hush-hushed. I was wondering why the issue didn’t come out until NOW. When it’s bandied about on social networks like a jo-jo. Emily Partridge makes a complaint, the complaint goes viral and suddenly the man’s not just a groper, but a SERIAL groper at that. A claim made by the mysterious Maré Odomo, an unknown persona with no relation to either Partridge or the show “Clarence” that I can see, who just blurted it out on Twitter.

    There is exactly zero evidence to support it. None. Maré won’t even provide any citation or anyone else corroborating her accusation. But no, someone said it on Twitter and therefore it must be true. No scepticism necessary. Or rather, as one twit (ha) remarked, “Fuck the people asking for evidence. He needs to not assault people.”

    Brilliant. Now what’s that Dr. Oz said about “miraculous” vitamin supplements? “Magical” properties? I think I’ll try some. What? Evidence? Oh. There’s more to life than evidence. Get in the sack? Okay. Wait, why are you carrying that stick?

    “… there will still be people who will insist there’s not enough evidence to say you did anything wrong.”

    Oh fie. I’ve read hundreds of comments here saying that what he did was wrong, only that the way the situation was handled was worse, and that is because the man appears to be suffering from some kind of severe bipolar disorder that can cause schizophrenic-like episodes. He’s sick, needs help but is now facing the wrath of the Twitter social justice contingent.

    Your reason for why things get hush-hushed is nonsensical. Not only because you’re apparently upset that some people are sceptical of negative claims and they should instead take whatever’s said without question, but also because it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. They won’t talk about someone’s tendency to do X because they presume Y, but they will talk about said someone’s tendency when someone else reveals it (weeks, months, years later). Why? It is beyond logic.

  • http://pickledperfection.blogspot.com/ Andrea K Haid

    An update to this situation, very worth a read: http://jeffrowegifs.tumblr.com/post/90700109592/skyler-page

  • SuperSlugger64

    “Trial by Fire”: You’re guilty as soon as you’re accused, oh, welcome to Salem.

    Ah s.hit, did I not blindly believe every word the woman said? Damn, must be a “victim blamer”, because believing in “innocent until proven guilty” means that I must think she seduced him right? That this is her fault? Well I didn’t say it, but I MUST have implied it right?

    Alright, that’s enough sarcasm to sate a lifetime. Look, I’m seeing idiocy on two fronts here. The most common being the “Trial by Fire” types who think a man accused is a guilty man. The other being “Victim Blamers”.

    I’ll confront the most rampant Witch Hunters here first, just stop witch hunting. Wait for evidence, wait for a court summons at least. It was wrong of CN to fire this man before getting his side, it was wrong to take action before he had a chance to defend himself. Period. The way these kinds of situations NEED to be handled is delicately and BALANCED. I’m so sick of this s.hit about people wanting to string this guy up simply for being accused and appearing guilty (how many people have done that and been proven innocent?) “Oh well he MUST be guilty.” Bulls.hit. You don’t know that, I don’t know that, no one but him, her, God and hopefully a security camera know that. It’s easy to accuse, its very hard to back that accusation up.

    Victim Blamers though? Yeah, your boat has just as many holes. These things need to be taken seriously, all cases, know matter how unlikely. It needs to be seen all the way through until all questions have been answered. “Nah, bitch is lying.” Is no better than witch hunting. Once again, balance is needed to get the whole story.

    These situations need to stop being looked at through bleeding hearts eager to pounce on the accused but they also need to stop being brushed off as lies, they need a deft hand and a balanced, proportional approach. All accusations should be handled swiftly and thoroughly and NO ONE SHOULD GUESS THE VERDICT. There should be an investigation, accounts should be taken from everyone present and then a neutral party should hear those accounts, hear the testimonials and determine guiltiness from there.

    No blamers, no hunters. F.uck those guys. Seriously. Why do I always feel like I am the only person on earth that believes in balance, a middle ground, sensible and reasonable solutions? Come on.

    Personally? I think the evidence is stacked against this guy. Between mental disorders and accounts even from friends that he’s not all right up stairs tells me his detractors can run with that in character evaluation. I don’t know what happened that night, but from what’s been given (granted very little to no actual evidence), he’s definitely going to have a hard time. He’d have to out right deny the actions accused of him, refute that his mental disorder would have led him to do the accused actions (possibly by providing evidence that he’s on meds) and then get glowing character testimonials from friends, coworkers and families. This article already proves he has plenty of detractors. But those who accuse, of course, are always the most verbose.

  • SuperSlugger64

    Most important paragraph from wall of text in other comment:

    These situations need to stop being looked at through bleeding hearts
    eager to pounce on the accused but they also need to stop being brushed
    off as lies, they need a deft hand and a balanced, proportional
    approach. All accusations should be handled swiftly and thoroughly and
    NO ONE SHOULD GUESS THE VERDICT. There should be an investigation,
    accounts should be taken from everyone present and then a neutral party
    should hear those accounts, hear the testimonials and determine
    guiltiness from there.

    It’s all about balance: no witch hunts of the accused, no blaming the accuser. Purse your lips, wait for testimony rather than handing down a swift, one sided BS punishment to the man simply because CN doesn’t want the bad publicity and you want to feel like justice (i.e what you wanted) was served). Remember when Phil Robinson got “suspended” from Duck Dynasty over his personal beliefs? Yeah, they had him back in less than a month. Only reason he was yanked to start was a knee jerk reaction from A&E who feared bad rep for NOT doing something. We need less of that, and more fair, impartial judgement BEFORE guilt is assigned.

  • Matt

    Drama, however justified or unjustified, impedes the creative process and shouldn’t exist in the animation community, methinks. i’m not trying to underplay the seriousness of this issue, mind you. However, I think that all of the players of this incident need to take some time away from the studio arena and get this issue resolved, rather than wrapping the entire animation community at large in an incident when that same time and effort could be spent creating wonderful animation.

  • Anti-McCarthyite

    To see people saying that “as a woman” or “women should” or “dudes should” is extremely disheartening. As a human being I shouldn’t have to worry about assault, but I do. Statistically, I have to worry about it more than the person who made these allegations against Page, but these people are acting like the opposite is true. Of course, it doesn’t matter, we all need to worry about it, and shouldn’t act like some of us don’t.

    And that’s the other thing, allegations. This is unproven so far, and I believing in treating people as innocent until proven guilty. Now, personally, I’m leaning toward figuring he probably did do it, given other events even during that same day, but we shouldn’t assume guilt just because there’s a sexual nature to the crime. Let the legal system do its job. Calling this person brave for telling the world to attack some individual? She was in no danger, but she knew that this is the modern equivalent of naming names to HUAC, and you all did as expected. Now she can say what she wants, but we as a society shouldn’t assume guilt until it is proven. Of course, the professional and adult thing to do isn’t to go on twitter ranting about a pending case, but if someone wants to be unprofessional and immature that’s their business. We as a society should rise above that, though, and not form internet lynch mobs just because someone says someone else touched their butt, especially when it’s not even proven that they did.

  • yintagh

    Well this is all kinds of disgusting.

  • http://www.omnaut.wordpress.com Omnaut

    They shared their life to a certain amount of people, their followers. Not the many readers of Cartoon Brew they don’t know. And even if I do post something, that doesn’t mean I want others to use it.