Maybe they wanted the spot completed before the end of the decade, or without fart and poop jokes…

Ha! Paul definitely hit the nail on the head. Granted, if John had done it, the drawings would have of been better…but it’d also of been laden with panty shots, weird sexual jokes (about screwing in a lightbulb), and grossout gags. I can understand why Ecozone went with a safer yet less talented alternative.

If John had done it, it would have been funny and original. Some folks have no shame when it comes to ripping off their peers.

What’s disturbing about this is that it’s so close as to be easily taken for Spumco work, yet it’s so poorly done that it amounts to libel. Adding to the problem is that lack of a credit for whoever did rip Spumco off…I mean, this is REALLY derivitave. If you think that’s just the way it goes–imagine if these characters were as closely modeled on other styles, such as the Simpsons or Family Guy. It wouldn’t stand up to a legal eyebrow raising. Very poor form.

This tells me that EcoZone doesn’t care about the environment. If they did they would have hired John to make a terrific ad that would have wowed everyone into buying these nifty lightbulbs by the gross. Shame on EcoZone and the copycats!

I don’t know that it’s an evil rip off. I think it borrows from John K in a similar fashion to the way he’s been borrowing from HB shorts. Check out the February 15th post from his blog to see what I’m talking about.

Admittedly, COW AND CHICKEN was just as derivative of John K’s creations—and produced by an ex-Spumcoite to boot! Of course, John K is known to like COW AND CHICKEN. Is talent the only reason one’s an affront and the other’s apparently free to go?

>Is talent the only reason one’s an affront and the other’s apparently free to go?

John doesn’t want people to rip off superficial aspects of his work, he likes originiality. That’s why his favourite modern cartoons are The Gorillaz.

This was terrible, but then again, The Ripping Friends are also ripped on on

The Fairly Oddparents
The Venture Bros
Captain Capitalism

“It’s Ripping (off) time!”

I applaud EcoZone’s efforts in recycling. As we all know, creativity is a non-renewable resource in short supply. It is in the best interests of our children and our children’s children to reuse and recycle ideas whenever possible as it reduces the aggregate amount of food, clothing and shelter consumed per fiscal year.

I’ll say it again: yes, sure, John Kricfalusi is heavily influenced by H-B, Ed Benedict, and Clampett(not at all so much Avery, but whatever).

But this isn’t “sorta kinda like” or “influenced by” Spumco: the character design is EXACTLY like the guy from Ripping Friends–even to the peculiar hairdo. The girl is obviously a poorly-executed Spumco girl, much more than a generic(whatever that would be)Clampett-girl. To compare that spot to the admittedly adopted spumcoesque mouth shapes etc from “Cow & Chicken” is an incredible stretch.

As for the person who thinks a homage like this is something wonderful…I’m at a total loss. So you’d really be able to rip Bruce Timm or the designers of Samurai Jack off directly if asked by a client with no shame whatsoever because you admire them so much? I think that’s pretty low. I also highly dount the original artists would be flattered.
Btw, Bruce Timm is also an artist influenced by Kirby and Toth(who wasn’t mentioned), but he’s not COPYING them; I can see those three artists’ styles side by side and see the differences. Timm does his own take with his own slant and style. So does John K. vis a vis Clampett.
Like it or not, there IS a crucial difference between “homage” and “ripoff”.

I’m pretty sure this cartoon was produced by Camp Chaos. I can recognize Bob Cesca’s voice anywhere. And that animation style is pretty similar to the style used on Camp Chaos Presents Vh-1 ILL-ustrated. Camp Chaos is also known to produce animated flash shorts online and not put their names on it (their stuff on Heavy.com is a prime example of this).

From John K’s blog when talking about “A Yard Too Far”: “Let’s take the plot of Pie Pirates and just replace all the elements but leave the same structure!”. My point was that one shouldn’t get too bent out of shape over this cartoon when the person whose style it imitates grabs from other cartoons as well. Neither case bothers me, I was just trying to make a point. Everything old is new again.

I hope that the silver lining in all of this is that the guys who made this commercial will learn from this experience and develop a new style of their own out of this one. In “Chuck Amuck” Chuck Jones says how WB directors and himself in particular blatantly copied all they could from Disney (Bugs Bunny started off as an imitation of Max Hare from ‘The Tortoise and the Hare’) and after doing that enough, Chuck GREW and developed his own distinctive style. I would argue that his style was the most distinctive of all the WB directors. Look at the difference between his early cartoons: Curious Puppies(I don’t remember the exact name but you know what I mean fellow cartoon geeks), Tom Thumb and Sniffles vs. his later stuff: ‘The Coyote and Road Runner’ or ‘PePe LePew’.

Also this is something that most people forget but the Anime style that we all know and too many of us love began as an imitation of the Fleischer studio style. Look at the line quality of Astro Boy comics to see what I mean. Now there are no traces of Fleischer left in most Anime but you can see how it progressed from there.

It figures you John K. snobs would get your panties in a bunch over something like this. You bitch when people draw cartoons that look DIFFERENT from John K. and then you bitch when people draw cartoons that look exactly the same. By the way, John K. openly admits to stealing from all sorts of different sources… so just give your blind devotion a rest.

hah i love it. not only does john k show a spec of humility in that quote but he also goes on to insult just about every character designer for two networks. real class.

GOOD ON YOU BOB! I stuck up for you and in return I got called “pretty low” by Parnell.
I actually thought Ripping Friends was just a rip off of MEGATON MAN by Don Simpson anyway.

For the love of humanity, she just grabbed a hot light bulb in her bare fingers and didn’t even say ouch! I have three blisters just from looking at it.

I’d like to weigh in and say it looks pretty great! I am assuming one or two animators, in a reasonable time frame and done with limited animation (Flash or After Effects) because of their budget.

Does it look a lot like John K’s style? Yeah, it does. It’s a little regrettable that they didn’t use their own look, or at least deviate from the style some, but it might be what the client asked for. I have people ask for a “Monty Python animation style” from time to time, and I do it without shame.

Can John K. sue? Don’t be ridiculous. You can’t (and shouldn’t be able to) sue over style similarities.

Does it have the quality of John K’s work? Almost. To people who follow cartoons, it’s pretty obvious, but you’d be surprised how many people couldn’t tell the difference. It looks pretty close, for Flash.

I like John K’s style, and I appreciate his passion for the industry (yes, his blog is a must read), but he seems arrogant and difficult to work with. I would do what Ecozone did, and the animator(s) did a good job of delivering what they were asked, probably on time.

but, but, but…
nothing personal, good old stimpy, but… wasn’t Ren and Stimpy and Spumco, kinda… um, based on other older styles? Sure this kid is a hack rip off, but let’s not make Johnny into the most creative animator ever please….

Hrm, don’t care much that the art is similar to whoever… More interested in the ridiculous notion of being “carbon neutral”.

This was a horribly done rip-off. I mean, it is one thing to be influenced by an artist, but this is taking another’s style and completely making it your own. I have read the arguments above saying that John K. ripped off other artists, but I don’t honestly see it. I mean YES he was influenced and I can watch a Spumco cartoon and totally see that some of the gags were stolen from an old H-B piece or from Beany and Cecil or whatever other work you can think of…but this wasn’t just based on John K. this had his style written all over it. If this was a commercial that looked like the Simpsons then wouldn’t that be a rip-off? I mean honestly if it looked and acted like Homer Simpson that would be a rip-off, right?

Jeeze am I ever slow! I just got the joke of the name “RIPPING” friends. Because it’s “RIPPING” off Don Simpson’s Megaton Man, Bernie Wrightson’s Captain Stern, and all the super hero stereo types. I always thought it was because they were “RIPPED”, like body builders. Hey, I never said I was the sharpest knife in the drawer.

I remember working at the studio that was distributing that show in Canada. They had some early development drawings and the bible for the show. I thought it was going to be a great show. I thought it was a show we were going to work on, I didn’t know at the time the studio was only distributing it. I kept telling everyone,”If we are doing that show, I want to be on that production!”, it looked like it had a lot of potential. It turned out to be truly disappointing.

Ren & Stimpy, however is one of the best series ever made. I wonder what went wrong with the Ripping Friends? Ren & Stimpy, more than any other cartoon, has resonated with an audience in a very deep way. To this day whenever I am brought on to develop a new show and I have a clean slate with which to start, I always try to design something with a Ren & Stimpy look to it. So far, each and every time I get told it looks to cartoony. And I am forced to draw design that are not as fun and not cartoony. But hey, that’s what being a professional and pleasing the client is all about.

Y’know, in reading the tone and verbiage used in a number of these posts, I’m thinking that the animation artist’s biggest enemy isn’t the animation executive – it’s other animation artists.

The reason execs don’t worry about artists taking over is that we can be counted on to turn on each other at the slightest provocation.

i think i’m much more bothered by it just because its attempt at humor is awkward.

lots of people talk trash on ripping friends, but i like it. i think sometimes we all get caught in this frame of mind ‘show me the best thing i’ve ever seen and if it’s not the best then i don’t like it at all.’ i watched the ripping friends dvd with my 15 year old brother and my 6 year old sister a few months ago and they both got some hearty laughs out of it…if we could all aproach these things the way children do we would be a lot happier people.

>>LNG wrote: “At least in those days the production company didn’t try to hide its name.”

I’m right here, LNG.

>>Jason Peterson wrote: “Rubbery Pectorals? Why not just have him fly backwards too?”

Google “rubbery pectorals” and tell me it’s been done before.

>>D wrote: “If this was a commercial that looked like the Simpsons then wouldn’t that be a rip-off?”

Ask Seth MacFarlane about American Dad and Family Guy, then. In fact, ask him about the similarities between a random Ripping Friend and the Stan Smith character.

Look, Dirk started out with the Nippleman mold, based on a character I created in 1999/2000-ish (the voice and mannerisms and dumb-stupid man-boy brute persona, etc). Then it filtered through a lot of influences which I detailed above, and that naturally included John K: an iconic cartoonist who has influenced an entire generation of animators.

But I assume now we’re all going to fan out across the internets like a posse and round up anyone who ever produced a project that might’ve, intentionally or not, been influenced by Spumco. I suppose we could start with any cartoon since the Ripping Friends which features a big-chinned, muscle-bound superhero.

From there we can kidnap all of the cable television executives and replace them with people who will actually accept original and wholly unique character art. I’d be into that one because I fought for five years to get 25 episodes of my ugly, nose-impaired art style on the air at a network which is now known for something called “Celeb-reality”.

Wow. I keep forgetting we animators can be the most bitter folks around. As much as I hate Spumco showboating this on John K’s behalf, Mr. Cesca you’ve got a growing animation studio. Do you need to justify yourself on this when its obvious you’re the competition and got it done? Besides, don’t you guys have a Meat Loaf video to complete instead of trolling these message boards? Now THAT I’d like to see! BTW: Cute anime-inspired short (further proof there’s no such thing as bad publicity) but please stop lumping a parody as straight up real deal… if this thread has proven anything, its that animation fans are a fickle bunch.

>>Bob Cesca wrote: I suppose we could start with any cartoon since the Ripping Friends which features a big-chinned, muscle-bound superhero.

Seriously right on there Cesca. Were the haters all over Butch Hartman and his Crimson Chin line of characters from the insanely lucrative and successful Fairly Odd Parents series? Were they all up in Hillenburg’s face over SpongeBob, especially when he became Musclebob Squarepants? As many, many posters have said above, John K was influenced by lots of cartoonists and animators — when I first saw Spumco stuff, I seriously thought Don Adams had started an animation company. And unlike Fairly Odd Parents or Spongebob or other superhero satires with big muscles and big chins, the Dirk Greenhouse piece is obviously not about making bank, it’s about teaching regular people how to conserve energy. How is that a bad thing? How is being inspired by LOTS of other cartoonists and animators a bad thing? Again, as someone said above, did the Jack Kirby fan club tar and feather Bruce Timm?! You guys have way too much time on your hands. Go change some light bulbs.

Bob, the problem I see people having is not that you used John K as an influence or made a character similar to some of his parody superheroes, but that you made your advertisement look exactly like a Spumco cartoon in every respect.

That might not be such a big deal if you weren’t in direct competition with Spumco. Don’t they produce animated web ads almost exclusively now? It’s kind of bad form to use the unique style of an ailing studio to get work that they could have used.

I understand we all have to put food on the table, but you have to understand when you copy a competitor’s “packaging” to get customers, people will find it distasteful.

First, let me start off by saying that I’m a huge fan of John K. I was greatly inspired by his work and it’s one of the reasons I became an animator.

That being said…I can’t believe how angry and unfair some of you are being on this post. Many people have said that the studio responsible for this short should have the guts to put their names on it. (Sometimes the client doesn’t let the studio take credit) Then, when Mr. Cesca comes forward and says “Hey guys we did this short and here’s why� you say “Don’t you have some work to do, stop trolling the message boards.�

What absolute hypocrites!

When did you all become so angry? Animation is supposed to be FUN!

The fact of the matter is that John may have passed on this project or been booked. So, if this client wanted a John K. inspired piece: they definitely got one. It’s a fun little short and any animation studio or animator would have jumped at the chance to work in John’s style. Otherwise, the client would have found some other studio to do it.

I think If you add something new to a style, add a little bit of yourself and push that style forward then it is ok. but if you produce a cheap knockoff and dont even research how to do the style in the first place well that’s crap.

This however is just a s***y web comercial, I dont think anyone cares about doing these things, only that they get paid.

Since it’s always going to happen whether I like it or not, I could care less if people rip off, or pay homage to a famous artist. But to acknowledge that this cartoon is fairly derivative of a SPECIFIC seems pretty obvious.

I think the issue here is that this cartoon does more than simply play on the big chin superhero cliché (Not Brand Ecch, Superduperman , Megaton Man, The Tick, Etc.). And it also does more than simply draw inspiration like Bruce Timm does from the work of Jack Kirby.

The reason that it is being compared to a Spumco production is because of the specific elements seen all the way through…

1. The font used at the beginning is the same one used in most of the Spumco flash productions.

2. The BG field that it’s set against is reminiscent of the splatter effect that Spumco made famous.

3. The Girls face that comes in looks exactly like the girls from that Spumco designed video game that was released in Japan a few years back.

4. The light bulb gag is very similar to the Mans best friend goldfish gag.

5. The body type of the hero, certain other features that he has, in addition to the inking style, simply continues the similarities.

6. The Carbon Neutral yell definitely seems “reminiscent� of Powdered Toast Man.

7. And you might even say that the BG’s include all of what’s wrong with the Ripping Friends BG’s.

Maybe if another cartoon included some of these elements spread out over the course of 22 Minutes it would probably be more understandable. I think that the fact that all of these details are crammed into 30 seconds is why this reads as so derivative.

Like it or not Spumco’s legend looms large. If you do any kind of broad or cartoony work these days someone will inevitably say that you are trying to bite Spumco’s style… even if there is no actual similarity. Maybe some of the people who are so quick to defend this spot are reacting to that? Who knows…

The fact that so much of this seems directly derivative does open it up to critique, and the comparisons are more than fair. No reason to be mad about it.

So Stephen, you’re obviously agreeing then that John K ripped off Don Simpson, right?

I’ve never heard of Don Simpson.

John’s posted about the history of the Ripping Friends. They evolved out of Brik Blastoff, one of his very first pitches from the early 80s. I’ve seen the original pitch boards on that show. It’s unmistakable. A John K design is quite clearly a John K design. If you think he steals his ideas from someone else, either you have absolutely no clue about how to identify artistic style, or you’re playing games to justify ripping him off.

With that attitude it’s no wonder Spumco is hurting for work.

The client funds the project, period. You can try to guide them in a creative direction, but ultimately they want what they want. Once a contract is signed, you are obligated to complete the work whether or not you completey agree with the final outcome. That’s just the business.

All right Todd… Let’s ask Bob.

Did the client make you rip off John’s work and not give you a choice in the matter?

I’ve got twenty years of experience producing animation, and I’ve worked with quite a few artists. But I’ve never seen any client twist an artist’s arm to make him draw like another artist. I’ve never worked with an artist who would sit still for that. I have seen examples of artists ripping off designs and not even bothering to tell the client about it though.

Do you think the folks at EcoZone are big Ripping Friends fans?

Stephen, I respect your opinion and grew up on Ren & Stimpy… but let’s be honest about this. I’m sure John would be the first to tell you how a Network/Client can strong arm an artist into compromising his or her creative vision. Isn’t that what he’s always talking about? How they won’t let us do what we do best? At least, that’s what I get from his various blog entries.

Unlike most of the speculators about the origins of The Ripping Friends show, I am one of the few here who actually knew Mr. K. back in the ’80′s when he was developing it and still have a few original drawings from the original concept (initials of which were BB & NO – I will not post them). This bit by CampChaos is, in my humble opinion, blatant DESIGN PLAGARISM. While I disliked The Ripping Friends compared to what it was intended to be, the reality is that it was a very original show regardless of influences. I repeat – INFLUENCES. There is no valid debate about this. If Bob Who-the-f*ck-ever wants to make a super hero advertisement for guilt free fur lined jock straps I couldn’t care less. Congrats to him. I hope he gets paid handsomely. Just be a man about it and come up with some original art OR PAY THE GUY YOU’RE RIPPING OFF! The people at Ecozone probably haven’t a got clue about all of this and it seems that Bob Who-the-f*ck is probably safely hidden (legally speaking) by Ecozone’s deep pockets. In a day when two-bit animation hacks jack each others’ designs/ideas/characters on a daily basis it’s really no surprise that there’s so little actual creative output from the “animation community”…or should I say “The Ripping Friends”!

Look. Let’s be honest here. Your experiences with MTV have no relevence to what we’re talking about. It’s self-evident that you sourced the production design, characters and gags of this webcartoon from John K’s work. Don’t point to every big chin in show business to say you didn’t, because it’s as plain as the nose on your face. We all know this is the Ripping Friends here.

You want to talk practical business sense? OK.

If you want to use someone else’s trademarked and copyrighted designs, gags, characters and situations in your own cartoon, you license them. I’m positive you required MTV to do that before they made your pilot. Why wouldn’t you give John the same courtesy when you wanted to use the Ripping Friends to make your EcoZone cartoon?

What would you do if someone out there on the internet started repurposing Camp Chaos cartoons and began selling them to clients who didn’t even realize they were being sold a copy of something that already exists? You would not be a happy camper, and neither would the client.

Here is some friendly advice. If you honestly made a mistake, you should own up to it, apologize and promise not to do it again. Don’t try to justify your ripoff and try to make it out as if the person you’re ripping off is the one at fault. John pioneered Flash animation for you and inspired you to create your own career. Go make your own career. Don’t ripoff John’s. Grow a pair and become a professional.

The alternative is to join the Todd Goldmans, Billy Ritchies and Sammy Petrillos of the world. Learn from their mistakes. Grow a pair and become a professional artist who stands on his own.

This may seem like a dumb question, but what does John K think?
I think he’s a big enough guy that he doesn’t need people to fight his battles for him.
Kudos to you Bob for keeping some local artists employed!

You work for Bob, right Floyd? Did you animate on this one?

Another is:

“Be considerate and respectful of others in the discussion. If your comment is defamatory, rude or unnecessarily antagonistic, it will be deleted without comment.”

Hmmm…

I’ve watched it again a few times. I don’t see a direct copy of the ripping friends. Carbon Nuetral Man certainly doesn’t look like Slab or Chunk. Rip and Crag look pretty much the same each other anyway. The body is similar, but that body has been done many times before, way before the ripping friends were ever a concept. The head has a big chin, again, been done before, and the eyes are clearly Camp Chaos style eyes. The girl is a spumco imitation. And the humor is also spumco.

The whole thing is way more closer to Powdered Toast Man than the ripping friends. Someone mentioned earlier that his name being yelled before he makes his entrance is exactly the same as Powdered Toast Man’s. You’re right it is. But hey! Do you remember Captain Caveman’s entrance? Hmmmm. Strikingly similar to powdered toast man, only about 15 years earlier. Things like cutting to a scene of the light bulb in the girls hand with a color card BG, as much as people think John K. came up with that. He didn’t. Just look through John K’s blog. The acting the staging the expressions he uses are all influenced, imitated, and taken from very old very good classic cartoons. There are scenes from very old Daffy Duck cartoons on his posting on his blog on Thursday, March 30, 2006. Check it out. Then scroll down and see the striking similarity to his cartoon of the horse guy. The same acting, the same look into the camera.

That is all I see happening here. They are using spumco in the same way John K uses old cartoons. It is the exact same thing. So someone please explain why it is OK for John K to imitate old cartoons but not ok for anyone to imitate John k? Is no one allowed to cut to a color card BG anymore? Or a close up shot that is painted with gross details? Does John K. own the rights to all toilet humor and fart jokes? I strongly urge everyone read through every entry on John K’s blog with a keen eye. Then come back and look at this eco commercial again. Stimpy has white gloved hands, I guess nobody can draw cartoons with white gloved hands anymore because John K. drew them; even though daffy duck had them and mickey mouse had them ages before.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Daffy didn’t have white gloves, Bugs did…

Actually, Daffy used to wear yellow gloves. Lord knows why.

Also lol at this incredibly long debate about a cartoon that looks similar to a cancelled show. Who would think trying to save electricity by using fancy lightbulbs would cause such a flamewar. Were this argument wasting scads of electricity, one could almost call this spat “ironic”

Bob Cesca, I like alot of your work but your arguments here are sad and inexcusable. As for the trolls “jumpypants” and his identical twins, your arguments are pathetic distractions which reveal a guilty conscience. This commercial and Ripping Friends had nothing to do with Megaton Man or The Tick. They had to do with Ren and Stimpy, Powdered Toast Man, and Ripping Friends. Bullying people when you know your argument doesn’t hold water isn’t going to work here.

When Bob Cesca tried to say that the pectoral muscles joke was ORIGINAL, I almost swallowed my tongue. That one statement entirely changed my opinion of Bob and Camp Chaos in general.

Short version of Stephen Worth and Jim Smith:
Don’t steal other people’s design ideas or you will lose the respect of your peers.

Short version of the trolls:
Screw you! Every man for himself, yo!

Well, yeah, it’s a ripoff – from the timing, to the humour, the designs, the voice acting, etc.

Is it impressively animated? Sure it is, it’s a quality bit, and I’m sure everyone worked very hard on it and they should be proud of that.

Have other styles been immitated so closely that it’s blatantly unoriginal? Sure, of course they have, it happens all the time with anything that’s good.

You’re competing with overseas studios and being bombarded by executives who want you to make something banal? Welcome to animation.

But so what? Those aren’t excuses.

It’s unavoidable, and perhaps even necessary or complimentary, for schools of thought to develop and for artists to borrow from one another; from animation to impressionism. But for creative people who value the recognized originality of their creations to bring them their bread and butter it’s… unpalatable.

The difference between this and criminal plagiarism, like the recent Todd Goldman mess, is fractional – at least this stuff is good.

It’s almost as if I could click on those “AW” comment links at the somethingawful.com parody!

C’mon, guys, we’re almost to 100 comments on a posting that was all of three sentences long!

We can do it!!!

This is animation folks!! Who hasn’t heard a client or a producer say something like “We want it to like THIS ” or “We want it to look like that.”???!! I hear it all the time.

Again no one was bitching when Clone High came out. You can drop any character from Clone High into any scene from The Power Puff Girls or Dexter’s lab or Time Squad and they would fit right in…because they are done in the EXACT same style. So what makes the spumco style any different from modern UPA or anime or any other style? Especially when spumco itself is a rip of tex avery and other old classics. Why is okay to use ANY other style, but as soon as someone uses the spumco style you all go ballistic. I have yet to hear anyone defend or explain that to me. You’ve all got your spumco blinders on.

I recently bought a dvd called THE WAIF OF PERSEPHONE by NICK CROSS. I discovered right it here on Cartoon Brew. It is absolutely FANTASTIC!!!!!! But it is also unquestionably done in a spumco style. Yet it is praised, deservingly so, while the eco commercial is slammed. Very hypocritical of everyone here.

I just changed mine out, too! They’re fantastic. And I’m saving quite a chunk of change.

PS – I’m sorry, I’m kind of new to cartooning: is Spumco some kind of special brand or something? I don’t totally get it. Can someone who doesn’t work at Spumco respond?

Honestly, this looks like a parody with too little cheekiness is all.

Thanks, Amid. I have to say, after reading Wikipedia and looking at some youtube clips, I just don’t see the plagiarism argument. Nowhere on Wiki does anyone talk about some kind of branded art style, and it seems pretty clear that the Spumco style is heavily influenced by Hanna Barbera – to the point that they did the Boo-Boo cartoons, no? Again, from someone relatively new to all this, and too young to have been around to catch most of this stuff when it first aired, I have to say that there are just too many aspects of the ecozone Dirk character that are visually not the same as the Ripping Friends characters that I’ve been able to look at. And from what I can tell, the tone of the Ripping Friends show is quite different — far more gross-out stuff (not that that’s bad!) and just more macho, sweaty, etc. I guess I also don’t get why people on this blog are so upset about this particular cartoon, when there have been other visually akin ‘toons in recent years.

What good is pure regurgitation?